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Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They are very vague in there description with what's going on and it leaves us fans just wondering what the hell is really going on.

Do we have a right as fans and does the team have a responsibility to tell us exactly what is going on-the truth-no politics? Do us fans have a right to know the entire truth or is there a certain privacy that is left for them even though they are professional riders on a team with a paycheck?

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Either way, people are going to find a reason to say something negative.
Kyriazis298 8/8/2014 4:15pm
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Because its his personal life, he needs privacy too. Also anything he says he will get attacked for by 1000 retards. Let him make his own decisions
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We don't have the right as fans or as anybody to know what is going on unless the person in question wants to tell us. Motocross is a great sport, but the fans don't own the riders. We essentially pay their bills with our dollars, but James is a real person and can address this any way he wants to or needs to. We are now in an internet age where we want to know what is going on right now if not sooner and people get bent out of shape when they don't get fed the information they want. Some days I wish we could go back to the old days when you didn't know what happened at a race until the next week when Cycle News showed up.

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RandyS 8/8/2014 4:36pm
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James Stewart, especially the last 5 years or so has had the worst handled fan interaction of any rider I can remember. I say the last 5 years but honestly his entire big bike career(250T/450) starting with I'm gonna jump the whole track. Sad since he was probably one of the most well liked riders in history going all the way back to his early mini days. Who didn't like Dee Dee Burns' little boyfriend.

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From the outside looking in, it can be frustrating how little info is available at times. But you also have to look at it from their perspective. What right do we have to know the ins and outs of every move they make?
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Ask Ray Rice about being a pro athlete and having a personal life.

I just think the sport is too small to support real, revenue-producing news outlets - for news sake. I mean, I was on RacerX today reading the interview with RjH. Not to knock CStallo, but I counted multiple simple grammar errors, and that's one of our top news outlets. Can you imagine Fox Sports putting something out like "Lebron leaving Miami too play in Cleveland". I know, subtle but stay with me.

Let's call it like it is, moto media is all about the photos and the cool 'edits' (videos). That's what brings in the views because it's all about this moto lifestyle. What's not the lifestyle is real professional news that involves hard interviews or investigative anything. I would say Matthes tries to do it, but the industry just isn't geared that way, and I think the factories and top athletes can exploit the niche for what it is, small, and get by without letting the sport rule their lives. That's probably the way it should be, and I think to some degree that makes our sport intriguing. Sometimes it's frustrating for the fans though.

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We don't have the right as fans or as anybody to know what is going on unless the person in question wants to tell us. Motocross...
We don't have the right as fans or as anybody to know what is going on unless the person in question wants to tell us. Motocross is a great sport, but the fans don't own the riders. We essentially pay their bills with our dollars, but James is a real person and can address this any way he wants to or needs to. We are now in an internet age where we want to know what is going on right now if not sooner and people get bent out of shape when they don't get fed the information they want. Some days I wish we could go back to the old days when you didn't know what happened at a race until the next week when Cycle News showed up.

well said.....not sure why people feel "entitled" to know everything... also I don't understand why people get so worked up about any athlete... I thought sports was for entertainment, very few are good enough to make a living at it....and last, pretty sure does not effect many of our lives....a lot of hostility over nothing.....
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Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They...
Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They are very vague in there description with what's going on and it leaves us fans just wondering what the hell is really going on.

Do we have a right as fans and does the team have a responsibility to tell us exactly what is going on-the truth-no politics? Do us fans have a right to know the entire truth or is there a certain privacy that is left for them even though they are professional riders on a team with a paycheck?

You have no right to know anything that James Stewart does not want to tell you. It's his life and his business.
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Man, I've stayed away from this crap all I can take, HOW IN THE HELL can you say that bullshit RandyS? Stewart has given us updates throughout SX and Moto, times 10 what anybody else has. He has ride days, fan appreciation dinners- hell he even had a "reality" show, like it or not he has put himself out there more than the multitude before and now that's come and gone. I don't blame him one bit to gather his thoughts, gather his legal options and measure his next move. Nobody has entertained us as James has and agreed he's made some pretty big bone head moves on and off the track, but for crice-sakes he's a dirt biker and not running for a public office. Now pull up your big girl panties and enjoy the race to the championship and a new moto winner for the 250's!
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Because they (Stewart camp) don't want to lie.
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Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They...
Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They are very vague in there description with what's going on and it leaves us fans just wondering what the hell is really going on.

Do we have a right as fans and does the team have a responsibility to tell us exactly what is going on-the truth-no politics? Do us fans have a right to know the entire truth or is there a certain privacy that is left for them even though they are professional riders on a team with a paycheck?

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You have no right to know anything that James Stewart does not want to tell you. It's his life and his business.
You would think so but it's a professional sport so don't we have a right to a certain extent or the governing body have a right to collect the information and pass it to the fans that are factual. All the other sports do it. We never hear from the president or governing body in a press conference or press release.
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Because they (Stewart camp) don't want to lie.
Lie about what? If you think Stewart is going to lie, then you must be privy to some information.

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Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They...
Especially in regard to Stewart. I know he's out, he pulled out of last race but it seems like we are always left to speculate. They are very vague in there description with what's going on and it leaves us fans just wondering what the hell is really going on.

Do we have a right as fans and does the team have a responsibility to tell us exactly what is going on-the truth-no politics? Do us fans have a right to know the entire truth or is there a certain privacy that is left for them even though they are professional riders on a team with a paycheck?

implicate order wrote:
You have no right to know anything that James Stewart does not want to tell you. It's his life and his business.
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You would think so but it's a professional sport so don't we have a right to a certain extent or the governing body have a right...
You would think so but it's a professional sport so don't we have a right to a certain extent or the governing body have a right to collect the information and pass it to the fans that are factual. All the other sports do it. We never hear from the president or governing body in a press conference or press release.
What right? Is there some law that I'm unaware of that gives us fans the right to know about James Stewart?
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With regards to the Adderall issues, the reason they have said nothing, is that is the way you handle such things. Releasing info to the public to defend your position is counterproductive. The public opinion has no bearing on what the governing bodies will decide. In fact, releasing info to the pubic is VERY counter productive as that would be perceived as being an attempt to go over WADAs head, the FIMs head. You simply do not handle these situations that way. People who understand PR know how this works...and the JS7 camp is just following the playbook. His more recent issues I think are all tied up in the SX drug test issue. Ever since the news broke...Stew has been spiraling down...
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Stewart must be of that belief that "No news is good news". I know all I need to know....
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With regards to the Adderall issues, the reason they have said nothing, is that is the way you handle such things. Releasing info to the public...
With regards to the Adderall issues, the reason they have said nothing, is that is the way you handle such things. Releasing info to the public to defend your position is counterproductive. The public opinion has no bearing on what the governing bodies will decide. In fact, releasing info to the pubic is VERY counter productive as that would be perceived as being an attempt to go over WADAs head, the FIMs head. You simply do not handle these situations that way. People who understand PR know how this works...and the JS7 camp is just following the playbook. His more recent issues I think are all tied up in the SX drug test issue. Ever since the news broke...Stew has been spiraling down...
The JS7 camp is following the playbook now? I guess so now that personal lawyers are going to be involved.
None of this drama would have ever happened if they had followed the playbook earlier and filed a TUE as expected.
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Cuz he ain't talkin'.
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Man, I've stayed away from this crap all I can take, HOW IN THE HELL can you say that bullshit RandyS? Stewart has given us updates...
Man, I've stayed away from this crap all I can take, HOW IN THE HELL can you say that bullshit RandyS? Stewart has given us updates throughout SX and Moto, times 10 what anybody else has. He has ride days, fan appreciation dinners- hell he even had a "reality" show, like it or not he has put himself out there more than the multitude before and now that's come and gone. I don't blame him one bit to gather his thoughts, gather his legal options and measure his next move. Nobody has entertained us as James has and agreed he's made some pretty big bone head moves on and off the track, but for crice-sakes he's a dirt biker and not running for a public office. Now pull up your big girl panties and enjoy the race to the championship and a new moto winner for the 250's!
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Revelstoked 8/8/2014 5:51pm
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Well the bubba camp had three options here:

- Say nothing

- Lie

- Release that kind of statement: "Since i got busted for taking amphetamines in Supercross i had to stop taking it. That's too bad cause my 1/1 at High Point really showed that this stuff works and prevented me from stupid crashes due to a lack of focus. After that my results went into a downward spiral, but were still somehow decent. Even though i wasn't able to focus just as much as i used to, at least i still had my IV's in between motos to help my fitness throuhougt the day. Unfortunatly my nurse talked about this and i had to stop receiving those as well. I've attempted to ride Milville's second moto but as soon as the gate dropped i realised that i was actually dehydrated and tired from the first moto, and just wasn't high enough on hard drugs to run a full moto without crashing. Since then, i rather not race than do so without any unfair advantage on my competitor. I just can't rely only on my natural talent, even though i'm the fastest rider ever.I am now waiting on Feld and Wada to tell me if i'm going to be suspended for 2015, and if so i will retire after tearing apart my legacy within 6 months or so. If i didn't have all those millions to make myself feel better, i might just commit suicide."

Wich otpion would you have picked if you were him?
Kyriazis298 8/8/2014 5:58pm
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Well the bubba camp had three options here: - Say nothing - Lie - Release that kind of statement: "Since i got busted for taking amphetamines...
Well the bubba camp had three options here:

- Say nothing

- Lie

- Release that kind of statement: "Since i got busted for taking amphetamines in Supercross i had to stop taking it. That's too bad cause my 1/1 at High Point really showed that this stuff works and prevented me from stupid crashes due to a lack of focus. After that my results went into a downward spiral, but were still somehow decent. Even though i wasn't able to focus just as much as i used to, at least i still had my IV's in between motos to help my fitness throuhougt the day. Unfortunatly my nurse talked about this and i had to stop receiving those as well. I've attempted to ride Milville's second moto but as soon as the gate dropped i realised that i was actually dehydrated and tired from the first moto, and just wasn't high enough on hard drugs to run a full moto without crashing. Since then, i rather not race than do so without any unfair advantage on my competitor. I just can't rely only on my natural talent, even though i'm the fastest rider ever.I am now waiting on Feld and Wada to tell me if i'm going to be suspended for 2015, and if so i will retire after tearing apart my legacy within 6 months or so. If i didn't have all those millions to make myself feel better, i might just commit suicide."

Wich otpion would you have picked if you were him?
Another Know-It-All. Stewart has a TUE for outdoors and is still on the meds. Its the stress affecting his results. While you have your vitard-full-retard theory thats not how it works. He cant speak of the drug test for LEGAL issues. He has to wait and see how the appeal goes. He has acually been providing updates through instagram so i dont get some people on here. You need to get real cause nothing you said there is true, at all, FIM decides the penalty, not feld or WADA. Felds job is to promote the series, schedule races and run it, WADAS job is to let the FIM know if someone has failed a test, and FIM, as a governing body decides penaltys, and things like that (rule book)
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DemoDick 8/8/2014 6:02pm
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You have no right to know anything that James Stewart does not want to tell you. It's his life and his business.
I completely disagree. When I or any other FAN for that matter is going to go out and spend good money to go see a race that he is supposed to be at I deserve to know if he is not going to be there.

I get it. in all sports and especially in MX/SX a rider can go out at at any time so they do not always know, but if there is a bigger way they owe it to the people that make it possible for them to live the living they do (fans/customers of sponsors) to share a bit more than the average person would in any situation.

You live from the public....you have to live with the public.
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I love Stewart and I have enjoyed watching him race over the years. He has the heart of a lion, he really does. If he is not racing my guess is there is a pretty good reason. I would just really like to know as a fan. It may not be my business but it is a professional sport. All the other big sports let the fans know what is really going on.
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implicate order wrote:
You have no right to know anything that James Stewart does not want to tell you. It's his life and his business.
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I completely disagree. When I or any other FAN for that matter is going to go out and spend good money to go see a race...
I completely disagree. When I or any other FAN for that matter is going to go out and spend good money to go see a race that he is supposed to be at I deserve to know if he is not going to be there.

I get it. in all sports and especially in MX/SX a rider can go out at at any time so they do not always know, but if there is a bigger way they owe it to the people that make it possible for them to live the living they do (fans/customers of sponsors) to share a bit more than the average person would in any situation.

You live from the public....you have to live with the public.
Well its good that you know every race he is and is not going to be at. everyone knows hese not gonna be at unadilla, so whats your point? It contradicts your point.
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Kyriazis298 wrote:
Well its good that you know every race he is and is not going to be at. everyone knows hese not gonna be at unadilla, so...
Well its good that you know every race he is and is not going to be at. everyone knows hese not gonna be at unadilla, so whats your point? It contradicts your point.
You no see forest through trees. Look harder. Bigger point for Mongo to get.

I am just saying when you are an athlete, musician or any other figure that makes $$$ off of a fan base you cannot go and say

"You have no right to know anything that *insert name here* does not want to tell you"

When you live off of the public eye you cannot just take your ball and go home.
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Well its good that you know every race he is and is not going to be at. everyone knows hese not gonna be at unadilla, so...
Well its good that you know every race he is and is not going to be at. everyone knows hese not gonna be at unadilla, so whats your point? It contradicts your point.
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You no see forest through trees. Look harder. Bigger point for Mongo to get. I am just saying when you are an athlete, musician or any...
You no see forest through trees. Look harder. Bigger point for Mongo to get.

I am just saying when you are an athlete, musician or any other figure that makes $$$ off of a fan base you cannot go and say

"You have no right to know anything that *insert name here* does not want to tell you"

When you live off of the public eye you cannot just take your ball and go home.
There is legal things he can not speak about until the appeal is done with. Everything else, we know.
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DemoDick 8/8/2014 6:17pm
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There is legal things he can not speak about until the appeal is done with. Everything else, we know.
Dude, Seriously I get it. I am not even saying he is or is not sharing all he should. I only disagree with blanket statements like.

NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

When it comes to these guys.

Have fun now.
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Another Know-It-All. Stewart has a TUE for outdoors and is still on the meds. Its the stress affecting his results. While you have your vitard-full-retard theory...
Another Know-It-All. Stewart has a TUE for outdoors and is still on the meds. Its the stress affecting his results. While you have your vitard-full-retard theory thats not how it works. He cant speak of the drug test for LEGAL issues. He has to wait and see how the appeal goes. He has acually been providing updates through instagram so i dont get some people on here. You need to get real cause nothing you said there is true, at all, FIM decides the penalty, not feld or WADA. Felds job is to promote the series, schedule races and run it, WADAS job is to let the FIM know if someone has failed a test, and FIM, as a governing body decides penaltys, and things like that (rule book)
Are you absolutely positive that he's still on the "meds"?

On a side note, here in France and i believe in all Europe, it's always been mind blowing for everybody that US doctors give amphetemine based meds to ADD kids. The fact that these doctors are so prone to diagnose ADD to so many kids, sometimes just cause they aren't quite enough or don't do well in school is just as mind blowing to us.

Anyways, back to my post; even though i've obviously exagerate to try and make it funny, do you really think his actual situation is that far off what i wrote?

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Another Know-It-All. Stewart has a TUE for outdoors and is still on the meds. Its the stress affecting his results. While you have your vitard-full-retard theory...
Another Know-It-All. Stewart has a TUE for outdoors and is still on the meds. Its the stress affecting his results. While you have your vitard-full-retard theory thats not how it works. He cant speak of the drug test for LEGAL issues. He has to wait and see how the appeal goes. He has acually been providing updates through instagram so i dont get some people on here. You need to get real cause nothing you said there is true, at all, FIM decides the penalty, not feld or WADA. Felds job is to promote the series, schedule races and run it, WADAS job is to let the FIM know if someone has failed a test, and FIM, as a governing body decides penaltys, and things like that (rule book)
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Are you absolutely positive that he's still on the "meds"? On a side note, here in France and i believe in all Europe, it's always been...
Are you absolutely positive that he's still on the "meds"?

On a side note, here in France and i believe in all Europe, it's always been mind blowing for everybody that US doctors give amphetemine based meds to ADD kids. The fact that these doctors are so prone to diagnose ADD to so many kids, sometimes just cause they aren't quite enough or don't do well in school is just as mind blowing to us.

Anyways, back to my post; even though i've obviously exagerate to try and make it funny, do you really think his actual situation is that far off what i wrote?

Its Very far off from what you wrote, not trying to argue. Good point with the amphetamine, but its the only thing that really works. Anyways only time will tell in all honesty.
Kyriazis298 8/8/2014 6:24pm
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There is legal things he can not speak about until the appeal is done with. Everything else, we know.
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Dude, Seriously I get it. I am not even saying he is or is not sharing all he should. I only disagree with blanket statements like...
Dude, Seriously I get it. I am not even saying he is or is not sharing all he should. I only disagree with blanket statements like.

NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

When it comes to these guys.

Have fun now.
Yeah i understand your side, dont really have an answer for it i guess
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Man, I've stayed away from this crap all I can take, HOW IN THE HELL can you say that bullshit RandyS? Stewart has given us updates...
Man, I've stayed away from this crap all I can take, HOW IN THE HELL can you say that bullshit RandyS? Stewart has given us updates throughout SX and Moto, times 10 what anybody else has. He has ride days, fan appreciation dinners- hell he even had a "reality" show, like it or not he has put himself out there more than the multitude before and now that's come and gone. I don't blame him one bit to gather his thoughts, gather his legal options and measure his next move. Nobody has entertained us as James has and agreed he's made some pretty big bone head moves on and off the track, but for crice-sakes he's a dirt biker and not running for a public office. Now pull up your big girl panties and enjoy the race to the championship and a new moto winner for the 250's!
I didn't say he didn't put himself out there, I said much of it has been handled very poorly. I could make a list but I don't really care enough to try to remember everything. Many of the bonehead moves you talk about were handled with bonehead PR.

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