vet 35+ Loretta's

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Edited Date/Time 8/7/2014 1:59pm
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he should be in the pro sport class. Whistling
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8/1/2014 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 12:11pm
Same thing was discussed last year with RC in the 25+ class..... It's just the way it is man. It's an age class only. Sucks for us normal guys, but what can you do?
8/1/2014 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 12:36pm
How an amateur national championship doesn't have a class specifically for former pro riders is beyond me.

I would love to hear MX Sports explanation to this. The only thing it would do is make racing both fair and more exciting for riders and spectators alike.

Let the real amateurs race other real amateurs, and make the guys who were talented enough to leave the amateur ranks race each other. Can someone please give a compelling argument to that statement??
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8/1/2014 12:40pm
calling the waaaahhhmbulence...


who cares. go race, have fun. winning the +35 does nothing for you besides being able to say is you won the +35 class. if you get beat by robbie, then you can tell everyone you got second behind robbie in the +35 class. wtf is the problem.

whats ironic is robbie was probably gonna beat you in the 12-13 class 20 years ago and you couldn't complain then. there is no difference.

I would much rather earn my way there to race robbie than get there because he was kept from racing it.
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Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he...
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he should be in the pro sport class. Whistling
+30 B/C stop crying. And I bet Reynard does work during the week.

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I asked this question in another thread and didn't really get an answer, it's cool that they still race but it's an amateur championship, maybe they should have their own class,idk
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Uncle Tony wrote:
I asked this question in another thread and didn't really get an answer, it's cool that they still race but it's an amateur championship, maybe they...
I asked this question in another thread and didn't really get an answer, it's cool that they still race but it's an amateur championship, maybe they should have their own class,idk
Please...no more classes.
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I think it's awesome those dudes go back to race at LL's. I would be psyched to say I raced with those dudes.
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Camp332 wrote:
I think it's awesome those dudes go back to race at LL's. I would be psyched to say I raced with those dudes.
Yep that how I see it.
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Not to mention you get to see the like of an RC race again.
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Uncle Tony wrote:
I asked this question in another thread and didn't really get an answer, it's cool that they still race but it's an amateur championship, maybe they...
I asked this question in another thread and didn't really get an answer, it's cool that they still race but it's an amateur championship, maybe they should have their own class,idk
MarkF wrote:
Please...no more classes.
Ha! That's true never thought of that!
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Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he...
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he should be in the pro sport class. Whistling
Robbie does have a job, he trains riders. Its much more than a normal day job. As do some of the others in this class. No different than the privateers who work during the week and race the Pro Nationals on the weekend. An A rider is an A rider.
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I've never qualified for a pro national... I think I could have been a top 20 rider had I spent every penny I could have and dedicated my life to it.

Instead I went to university - and picked up riding afterwards.

I want to make plus 25 and when eligible plus 35 BECAUSE former pros are allowed. The allure to loretta's IS how exclusive it is - and if I make it - I will have to beat people I never beat growing up - and will for the first time in my life get to race against people who DID make the big leagues. that's what's so awesome, getting to race with some great names.

I feel loretta's IS NOT for the vets who are weekend warriors. If that's your dream - race local.
Rather Lorettas is for aspiring future professionals to test their status and challenge their riding skills on an amazingly challenging track that gets rough unlike anything else you get to race all year, but much like a pro national will get.

After that - loretta's is where top national vet riders get to test themselves against other top national vet riders. It's not fair to ask trampas parker at age 45 to line up against the open A class. His meal ticket no longer rides on aspiring results. It's not fair to the open A class for trampass to line up taking a spot away (even though that kid should probably hang it up anyways since he was beat by a 45 year old)

These top vets dont have ANY other avenue to ride against such good talent on such a good challenging track. So for one week a year they get this chance - and for the other 51 weeks of the year- the average vet riders have plenty of places to race. That's how I see it...as an HONOR and something truly special to qualify for loretta's - and opening it up ruins what loretta's is about.


Here's novel idea - lets give everyone in life an equal paycheck and first place trophies - even if they haven't earned it....


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8/1/2014 2:11pm
They are the amateur national championships, not the former pro national championships. It has never been fair to have former pros and even former factory pros racing in an amateur national championships against guys who have never been pro, but it has always been that way and is unlikely to change.

At least in golf they have the Senior Tour, which recognizes them as the older pros they still are and always will be.
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8/1/2014 2:16pm
Camp332 wrote:
I think it's awesome those dudes go back to race at LL's. I would be psyched to say I raced with those dudes.
Cygnus wrote:
Yep that how I see it.
I'm with you two. Would be so bitchin to line up and have a chance to battle with an ex champ like that.
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8/1/2014 2:20pm
So you boot them out, what's next? "Participation trophies?"

People like you are what's wrong with the world. Let me guess, you'd rather, "Everyone win" right? so much fail.
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Forza wrote:
+30 B/C stop crying. And I bet Reynard does work during the week.
RR spends prob 40+ hrs a week on his MX track. Too bad its in a loader or water truck and not a dirt bike. On top of that, training riders and coaching among other things.
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It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already too many classes. We dont need a former pro class. Please!!!!!

If you want to race a Vet National, go to the Vet National. There you can ride what ever skill level you want. Over 40 Z, Over 40 X, Over 40 R, Over 40 D, Over 40 P, Over 40 C. Then you can say that you are the Over 40 alphabet champ.
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8/1/2014 2:37pm
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he...
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he should be in the pro sport class. Whistling
Forza wrote:
+30 B/C stop crying. And I bet Reynard does work during the week.
Who said I was crying? I was only stating I don't think it's very fair to have to race against a guy that was a top pro, he was literally the next big thing coming out of the amateurs. Plus he had quite a few epic duels with Carmichael. Wasn't he a few times over arenas cross champ. He should be racing in the pro sport class with the up and coming future pro's, he's that fast. Its basically sandbagging in my opinion. He has a rack of #1 plates from Lorettas, let these guys have a chance of winning a championship. I'm sure the title means a lot to Robbie but I'm sure it would mean a hell of a lot more to any of the other 39 guys who could have a chance of winning something. Also to dboiven why would you want to go around bragging I was the first loser behind Reynard? Makes no sense to me...
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8/1/2014 2:41pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 2:41pm
Zoom wrote:
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already...
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already too many classes. We dont need a former pro class. Please!!!!!

If you want to race a Vet National, go to the Vet National. There you can ride what ever skill level you want. Over 40 Z, Over 40 X, Over 40 R, Over 40 D, Over 40 P, Over 40 C. Then you can say that you are the Over 40 alphabet champ.
You're wrong. A current pro can race if they have not earned points Nationally. There is 1 in the 450 class.
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I'm with you two. Would be so bitchin to line up and have a chance to battle with an ex champ like that.
There would be no battle... after the first turn he'd be gone. The next time you saw him he would be on the podium.
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Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he...
Doesn't seem very fair for these guys that work normal day jobs to have to line up against a rider like Robbie Reynard. I think he should be in the pro sport class. Whistling
Forza wrote:
+30 B/C stop crying. And I bet Reynard does work during the week.
Who said I was crying? I was only stating I don't think it's very fair to have to race against a guy that was a top...
Who said I was crying? I was only stating I don't think it's very fair to have to race against a guy that was a top pro, he was literally the next big thing coming out of the amateurs. Plus he had quite a few epic duels with Carmichael. Wasn't he a few times over arenas cross champ. He should be racing in the pro sport class with the up and coming future pro's, he's that fast. Its basically sandbagging in my opinion. He has a rack of #1 plates from Lorettas, let these guys have a chance of winning a championship. I'm sure the title means a lot to Robbie but I'm sure it would mean a hell of a lot more to any of the other 39 guys who could have a chance of winning something. Also to dboiven why would you want to go around bragging I was the first loser behind Reynard? Makes no sense to me...
I will tell you what makes no sense....

Offering another class to an already over abundance of classes. The focus at Loretta's is not the Vet classes. That is why they are open skill level. Did you forget that there is a Over 30 B/C class?

Again, if riders are so fixed on winning a championship in the Over 35 C, D, E or F class, they are welcome to race the Vet Nationals. Its open to anybody, they dont even have to race qualifiers.



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Zoom wrote:
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already...
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already too many classes. We dont need a former pro class. Please!!!!!

If you want to race a Vet National, go to the Vet National. There you can ride what ever skill level you want. Over 40 Z, Over 40 X, Over 40 R, Over 40 D, Over 40 P, Over 40 C. Then you can say that you are the Over 40 alphabet champ.
35smom wrote:
You're wrong. A current pro can race if they have not earned points Nationally. There is 1 in the 450 class.
Let me re phase that...

Current pro's that have scored any AMA points are not eligible.
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Zoom wrote:
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already...
It still is an amateur national. Reynard, Parker, Renner etc.... They are no longer pro's. Current pro's are not allowed at this race. There are already too many classes. We dont need a former pro class. Please!!!!!

If you want to race a Vet National, go to the Vet National. There you can ride what ever skill level you want. Over 40 Z, Over 40 X, Over 40 R, Over 40 D, Over 40 P, Over 40 C. Then you can say that you are the Over 40 alphabet champ.
"They are no longer pros."

Wrong. They are no longer current pros but are now former pros. The powers that be think that former pros racing with true amateurs in an amateur national championship is no problem. Just fine and dandy.
8/1/2014 2:51pm
Camp332 wrote:
I think it's awesome those dudes go back to race at LL's. I would be psyched to say I raced with those dudes.
Cygnus wrote:
Yep that how I see it.
Me too.
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I've never qualified for a pro national... I think I could have been a top 20 rider had I spent every penny I could have and...
I've never qualified for a pro national... I think I could have been a top 20 rider had I spent every penny I could have and dedicated my life to it.

Instead I went to university - and picked up riding afterwards.

I want to make plus 25 and when eligible plus 35 BECAUSE former pros are allowed. The allure to loretta's IS how exclusive it is - and if I make it - I will have to beat people I never beat growing up - and will for the first time in my life get to race against people who DID make the big leagues. that's what's so awesome, getting to race with some great names.

I feel loretta's IS NOT for the vets who are weekend warriors. If that's your dream - race local.
Rather Lorettas is for aspiring future professionals to test their status and challenge their riding skills on an amazingly challenging track that gets rough unlike anything else you get to race all year, but much like a pro national will get.

After that - loretta's is where top national vet riders get to test themselves against other top national vet riders. It's not fair to ask trampas parker at age 45 to line up against the open A class. His meal ticket no longer rides on aspiring results. It's not fair to the open A class for trampass to line up taking a spot away (even though that kid should probably hang it up anyways since he was beat by a 45 year old)

These top vets dont have ANY other avenue to ride against such good talent on such a good challenging track. So for one week a year they get this chance - and for the other 51 weeks of the year- the average vet riders have plenty of places to race. That's how I see it...as an HONOR and something truly special to qualify for loretta's - and opening it up ruins what loretta's is about.


Here's novel idea - lets give everyone in life an equal paycheck and first place trophies - even if they haven't earned it....


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There would be no battle... after the first turn he'd be gone. The next time you saw him he would be on the podium.
Don't forget about when they're lapping you.
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We had a big meeting on Wednesday -- the OEMs, the AMA, MX Sports -- and talked about a lot of different ideas. While I personally believe Robbie Reynard and Trampas Parker and James Povolny are all amateurs now, they do make it nearly impossible for rank-and-file vet riders who don't train younger athletes or manage a track or work directly in the motocross world they used to race in as a professional. Someone came up with reconfiguring the vet classes and suggested adding more "non-pro" classes and limiting the categories those guys can race in. The Vault and AMA records make it possible to know every rider who ever raced pro, and even though we all get slower as we get older, some guys in that 25 - to - 45 range have distinct advantages -- the industry for rider development allows them to continue to ride and train in ways impossible for most everyone else.

I am not sure what the actual fixes would be, but I hear the OP's point here -- we need to revamp this and give some more guys who just race for fun a chance to compete in the vet classes at LL. Right now have +25, +35, +40, +45 for those former Pro guys to always battle in, but only one Vet B/C +30 for everyone else. We need to restrict this in one way, and open it up in others.

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Good post DC.
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Good post DC.
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8/1/2014 3:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/1/2014 3:15pm
DC wrote:
We had a big meeting on Wednesday -- the OEMs, the AMA, MX Sports -- and talked about a lot of different ideas. While I personally...
We had a big meeting on Wednesday -- the OEMs, the AMA, MX Sports -- and talked about a lot of different ideas. While I personally believe Robbie Reynard and Trampas Parker and James Povolny are all amateurs now, they do make it nearly impossible for rank-and-file vet riders who don't train younger athletes or manage a track or work directly in the motocross world they used to race in as a professional. Someone came up with reconfiguring the vet classes and suggested adding more "non-pro" classes and limiting the categories those guys can race in. The Vault and AMA records make it possible to know every rider who ever raced pro, and even though we all get slower as we get older, some guys in that 25 - to - 45 range have distinct advantages -- the industry for rider development allows them to continue to ride and train in ways impossible for most everyone else.

I am not sure what the actual fixes would be, but I hear the OP's point here -- we need to revamp this and give some more guys who just race for fun a chance to compete in the vet classes at LL. Right now have +25, +35, +40, +45 for those former Pro guys to always battle in, but only one Vet B/C +30 for everyone else. We need to restrict this in one way, and open it up in others.

DC
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You left out 50+ DC! Tongue

And where do you draw the line? Are you going to weed out every guy who ever held a pro license? Unless you had a huge influx of guys quitting pro and showing up the next year I don't see it as problem. I think it should just be something along the lines of a time period like 5 years or something since you rode pro. I don't think the answer is adding a more B/C type classes.

And thanks again for having a 50+ class (even though we should have are own moto Whistling ) I was thrilled to get to ride last year!

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