Why isn't anybody talking about the rumor about the 250 rider that failed the PED test?

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Edited Date/Time 7/28/2014 11:30am
I hear it's a big name and a real PED....


More cover-ups?
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7/16/2014 11:51am
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
7/16/2014 11:52am Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 11:58am
Maybe because we haven't heard this rumor?


Also:

"There's no question [Adderall] is a performance-enhancing drug," says Dr. Gary Wadler, a past chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List Committee.
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7/16/2014 11:52am
GrapeApe wrote:
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
I normally get my information from MotoDrivel...but they aren't talking.
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7/16/2014 11:59am
Here we go again.

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7/16/2014 12:07pm
Because I haven't heard the rumor, and I've got absolutely nothing to say on the matter.Smile
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7/16/2014 12:13pm
Oh shit, here we go. Wager on how many pages? Say TWO GRAND?
7/16/2014 1:00pm
huck wrote:
I hear it's a big name and a real PED....


More cover-ups?
Well there's this old thread which provides almost zero insight. Perplexing and interesting nonetheless.
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7/16/2014 1:14pm
I think there is a certain goon rider sponsored by FMF and PBR that is highly suspicious. I won't name any names but if that guy is clean, the whole sport is clean.
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7/16/2014 2:48pm
huck wrote:
I hear it's a big name and a real PED....


More cover-ups?
If there's another one, I sure hope it's handled better than the last time around.
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7/16/2014 2:59pm
huck wrote:
I hear it's a big name and a real PED....


More cover-ups?
We don't want to know who it is. Just keep it to yourself until an official press release comes out. I think all the ped testing is stupid and worthless.
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7/16/2014 3:19pm
Why Guy B, why?Laughing That was pure unadulterated humor. Hopefully Big Lenny got a laugh before you squashed it. LOL
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7/16/2014 3:19pm
J-Law?
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7/16/2014 3:25pm
newmann wrote:
Why Guy B, why?Laughing That was pure unadulterated humor. Hopefully Big Lenny got a laugh before you squashed it. LOL
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
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newmann wrote:
Why Guy B, why?Laughing That was pure unadulterated humor. Hopefully Big Lenny got a laugh before you squashed it. LOL
GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
Laughing
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7/16/2014 3:35pm
care to share where you heard this??
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7/16/2014 3:41pm
ChrisB10 wrote:
care to share where you heard this??
No, Huck's part of the coverup. Blink
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7/16/2014 3:43pm
newmann wrote:
Why Guy B, why?Laughing That was pure unadulterated humor. Hopefully Big Lenny got a laugh before you squashed it. LOL
GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
newmann wrote:
Laughing
Damn, what'd I miss?...Woohoo
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7/16/2014 3:46pm
Big Lenny wrote:
Damn, what'd I miss?...Woohoo
Just the usual...your common sense when posting.
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GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.
newmann wrote:
Laughing
Big Lenny wrote:
Damn, what'd I miss?...Woohoo
I'd have to start a thread in the dumbgeon.Laughing
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GuyB wrote:
Sorry to bust up Huck and Lenny's bromance, but Lenny's little turdlets reault in what you saw. Aun't nobdy got time for that.


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downard254 wrote:
Because I haven't heard the rumor, and I've got absolutely nothing to say on the matter.Smile
You mean you have nothing to say except for what you just said?
7/16/2014 7:23pm
You mean there's another rider in the 250 class that's taking Adderal? Stunning.
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7/16/2014 9:26pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Tell the other board we say hello . . .
What other board?

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huck wrote:
I hear it's a big name and a real PED....


More cover-ups?
burn1986 wrote:
We don't want to know who it is. Just keep it to yourself until an official press release comes out. I think all the ped testing...
We don't want to know who it is. Just keep it to yourself until an official press release comes out. I think all the ped testing is stupid and worthless.
x 2 burn.

Maybe this isn't the thread for this but I'm gonna say it anyway. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape about PED's? Most have probably never even thought, critically, about what the term PED stands for. Sure, they know it means performance enhancing drugs. But usually all thought just stops there. "Hey...look...XYZ is taking PEDS!!!! Cheater!!! Burn him at the stake!" Which is nonsense.

Lots of athletes are willing to, that is voluntarily, take a substance that will enhance their performance in large part for our entertainment. They can enhance the performance of the bike but not the most important aspect, the human body? It seems nonsensical to me. PED's make an athlete perform better! Woohoo! And in moto, the argument could be made that it makes the athlete safer as well. I don't see the problem.

Now if a sanctioning body wants to set forth rules regarding PED's? So be it and they can enforce it with their own testing procedures (none of this WADA and USADA crap). Just like their should be competing sanctioning bodies that allow PED's. Let the athletes and the market decide. It's their body and no other man, women, or child should have any say as to what goes in said body.
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7/16/2014 11:12pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 11:15pm
You mean there's another rider in the 250 class that's taking Adderal? Stunning.
Another 250? Who was the first?
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7/16/2014 11:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2014 11:29pm
c_dub wrote:
x 2 burn. Maybe this isn't the thread for this but I'm gonna say it anyway. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape about...
x 2 burn.

Maybe this isn't the thread for this but I'm gonna say it anyway. Why does everyone get so bent out of shape about PED's? Most have probably never even thought, critically, about what the term PED stands for. Sure, they know it means performance enhancing drugs. But usually all thought just stops there. "Hey...look...XYZ is taking PEDS!!!! Cheater!!! Burn him at the stake!" Which is nonsense.

Lots of athletes are willing to, that is voluntarily, take a substance that will enhance their performance in large part for our entertainment. They can enhance the performance of the bike but not the most important aspect, the human body? It seems nonsensical to me. PED's make an athlete perform better! Woohoo! And in moto, the argument could be made that it makes the athlete safer as well. I don't see the problem.

Now if a sanctioning body wants to set forth rules regarding PED's? So be it and they can enforce it with their own testing procedures (none of this WADA and USADA crap). Just like their should be competing sanctioning bodies that allow PED's. Let the athletes and the market decide. It's their body and no other man, women, or child should have any say as to what goes in said body.
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example.

Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm them long-term, for short-term gain?

Just from my perspective? It should be about the rider that does the best training and preparation, not the guy who has the best chemist.

I think generally the guy with the most talent should win. Talent doesn't come in a bottle, pill, or syringe.

As for me, I'll for sure test positive for Oreos, a margarita on Thursday evenings, and glucosamine for my joints.

In the case of a positive test, the rider is supposed to be notified first.

I had heard this one last week (a rider mentioned that he'd come to the forum to see if it had hit here yet). I mentioned it to an official. They'd also heard it, but hadn't received any notification from USADA. I think if it's true, they're being particularly careful, because of how oddly the news of James Stewart's positive test landed over here.

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7/16/2014 11:33pm
GuyB wrote:
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example. Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm...
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example.

Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm them long-term, for short-term gain?

Just from my perspective? It should be about the rider that does the best training and preparation, not the guy who has the best chemist.

I think generally the guy with the most talent should win. Talent doesn't come in a bottle, pill, or syringe.

As for me, I'll for sure test positive for Oreos, a margarita on Thursday evenings, and glucosamine for my joints.

In the case of a positive test, the rider is supposed to be notified first.

I had heard this one last week (a rider mentioned that he'd come to the forum to see if it had hit here yet). I mentioned it to an official. They'd also heard it, but hadn't received any notification from USADA. I think if it's true, they're being particularly careful, because of how oddly the news of James Stewart's positive test landed over here.

I'd test positive for Dr. Pepper and pizza... mmmm....
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GuyB wrote:
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example. Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm...
Why not? Lyle Alzado could be used as one example.

Do you really want to let people go wide open and take stuff that can harm them long-term, for short-term gain?

Just from my perspective? It should be about the rider that does the best training and preparation, not the guy who has the best chemist.

I think generally the guy with the most talent should win. Talent doesn't come in a bottle, pill, or syringe.

As for me, I'll for sure test positive for Oreos, a margarita on Thursday evenings, and glucosamine for my joints.

In the case of a positive test, the rider is supposed to be notified first.

I had heard this one last week (a rider mentioned that he'd come to the forum to see if it had hit here yet). I mentioned it to an official. They'd also heard it, but hadn't received any notification from USADA. I think if it's true, they're being particularly careful, because of how oddly the news of James Stewart's positive test landed over here.

As to your first question, that is their decision and their decision only. Personally? No, not particularly as it could lead to regrets later in life (assuming it does harm them long term which is just that, an assumption). But it's not mine or anyone else's decision to make. Let's assume there might be long-term effects from taking a particular substance. And they're comfortable with sacrificing the long-term for the short-term. Again, their decision.

And a large part of the problem now is everything is down underground or on the black market if you will. Let everything out in the open. This breeds honesty and transparency. The doctors and chemists can sit down with an athlete and let them know how said drug will effect them, long and short-term, good and bad. This is our product and/or service. Take it or leave it if you will. As long as everything is voluntary and not forced or coerced, it comes down to the individual.

And the talent would still rise to the top. And I don't think it would take training and preparation out of the mix. Not by a long shot. It is merely another tool at the athlete's disposal. It would raise the level of performance even more. And if it's even across the board then everyone has access to it. Yes you'd still have the have's and have not's unfortunately but at least everyone would have access to it. No racer would be barred from taking them.

There's a lot we don't know with regards to Stewart's situation of course. But what if he was merely taking it for "performance enhancing" purposes? What if it did indeed help him focus thus making him faster and safer on the track? He shouldn't be allowed to take it? And maybe the most egregious violation of all, he is not allowed to make that decision?

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