James Stewart is not a cheater

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OK....I'll bite on this. How can you explain the majority of the people whom seem to benefit from said medications? Some doctor's and patients try for...
OK....I'll bite on this. How can you explain the majority of the people whom seem to benefit from said medications? Some doctor's and patients try for months , sometimes years before they find the right pill , or combination and when they do....it can totally change a persons life.....dramatically.

The ADHD symptoms are not hard to miss. No correct diet or anything can cure that shit. One of my best friends has the worst case I've ever seen. ( Some of my friends here on this site have met him ).......and the only way that guy can act " Normal "....is if he is on his meds. If he isn't.....watch the hell out because he is hell on wheels. And when he self medicates ( Beers and hard alcohol ).....Christ ol' mighty......we have to start collecting for bail money!

My best friend going on about 38yrs now. I have done a lot of crazy and illegal shit with that guy in that span of time......but when he is on his meds.....totally different person. The sad thing is....he fucking hates them. He doesn't like being slowed down. I was in his exact same shoes until I was about 21yrs old. My body changed and I didn't need any meds. I still get extremely high strung at times.....but more of a happy hyper person type thing. Not him......he goes bat shit crazy!

Didn't mean to sound like an asshole. I just know from first hand experience that the " Correct " meds can work wonders!
dirthead1 wrote:
There's a significant difference between ADD or ADHD and bi-polarism.
jeffro503 wrote:
Not really any difference between ADD and ADHD man. That's why I listed both and have seen doctors for both >>> http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/difference-between-add-and-adhd They basically just added...
Not really any difference between ADD and ADHD man. That's why I listed both and have seen doctors for both >>> http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/difference-between-add-and-adhd They basically just added the " Hyper " into the abbreviation and is what most doctors refer to now as ADHD instead of just plain old ADD.

Edit : I'm sure not all doctors are all the same though......different opinions. We both could be right on that. .

Bi-polar......hell yes there is a big difference.
In the last 10 years, the mental health community has separated bi-polar disorder into 2 types. The more severe bi-polar 1, commonly referred to as Schizophrenia, and bi-polar 2, much less severe, and often misdiagnosed, especially in early adolescents as ADHD. Doctors hesitate to diag bi-polar in children due to the stigma.
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jeffro503 wrote:
OK....I'll bite on this. How can you explain the majority of the people whom seem to benefit from said medications? Some doctor's and patients try for...
OK....I'll bite on this. How can you explain the majority of the people whom seem to benefit from said medications? Some doctor's and patients try for months , sometimes years before they find the right pill , or combination and when they do....it can totally change a persons life.....dramatically.

The ADHD symptoms are not hard to miss. No correct diet or anything can cure that shit. One of my best friends has the worst case I've ever seen. ( Some of my friends here on this site have met him ).......and the only way that guy can act " Normal "....is if he is on his meds. If he isn't.....watch the hell out because he is hell on wheels. And when he self medicates ( Beers and hard alcohol ).....Christ ol' mighty......we have to start collecting for bail money!

My best friend going on about 38yrs now. I have done a lot of crazy and illegal shit with that guy in that span of time......but when he is on his meds.....totally different person. The sad thing is....he fucking hates them. He doesn't like being slowed down. I was in his exact same shoes until I was about 21yrs old. My body changed and I didn't need any meds. I still get extremely high strung at times.....but more of a happy hyper person type thing. Not him......he goes bat shit crazy!

Didn't mean to sound like an asshole. I just know from first hand experience that the " Correct " meds can work wonders!
dirthead1 wrote:
There's a significant difference between ADD or ADHD and bi-polarism.
jeffro503 wrote:
Not really any difference between ADD and ADHD man. That's why I listed both and have seen doctors for both >>> http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/difference-between-add-and-adhd They basically just added...
Not really any difference between ADD and ADHD man. That's why I listed both and have seen doctors for both >>> http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/difference-between-add-and-adhd They basically just added the " Hyper " into the abbreviation and is what most doctors refer to now as ADHD instead of just plain old ADD.

Edit : I'm sure not all doctors are all the same though......different opinions. We both could be right on that. .

Bi-polar......hell yes there is a big difference.
ADD isn't really a clinical term anymore. It's been replaced by the term Inattentive ADHD.

Q: What is the difference between ADD and ADHD?
A: ADD, or attention-deficit disorder, is an out-of-date term that was previously used to describe children who have difficulty paying attention, but are not significantly impulsive or hyperactive—the other two parts of the triad of symptoms that define what we now call ADHD, or attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Most of the time when people use the term ADD now, what they really mean is the inattentive subtype of ADHD.
One way to conceptualize it is to think of ADHD as three scales, one for inattention, one for hyperactivity, and one for impulsivity. If children are rated from 1 to 10 on each scale, there can be a child who will be 10-0-0. There can also be a child who is 0-10-10. But most children will be some variation more like 5-7-8.
The important thing is that a child who has a real deficit in paying attention, without the other symptoms that tend to result in disruptive or problematic behavior, he still needs to be understood and get help. By about the second grade it starts to be a real problem for children if they can't start paying attention, and keep paying attention to a teacher in a classroom where there is competing activity in the room.
And, by the way, when we say a deficit in paying attention what we mean is paying attention to dull, boring or repetitive tasks not of your choosing. Anyone with a child who has ADHD can tell you that they have no trouble paying attention to video games or a movie.

http://www.childmind.org/en/posts/ask-an-expert/2011-8-30-what-differen…
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6/26/2014 2:25am Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 2:32am
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway Unsure

I wonder just how many riders see this being legal under a doctor's instruction and are "exploiting" it?

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I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway :unsure: I wonder just how many riders see this being...
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway Unsure

I wonder just how many riders see this being legal under a doctor's instruction and are "exploiting" it?

It's detailed in the column in the original post. If you really want to know why, go read it.

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You've written a column about it, why didn't you say?
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PressPassP wrote:
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway :unsure: I wonder just how many riders see this being...
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway Unsure

I wonder just how many riders see this being legal under a doctor's instruction and are "exploiting" it?

The biggest reason to use a stimulant is because for the vast majority of people, it just plain works.
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PressPassP wrote:
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway :unsure: I wonder just how many riders see this being...
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway Unsure

I wonder just how many riders see this being legal under a doctor's instruction and are "exploiting" it?

Because as strange as it sounds true ADHD sufferers are wired backwards. Stimulant therapy actually works by calming them and allowing them to focus. Before we had our son officially diagnosed and treated, when he would get really worked up I would give him a shot of Red Bull (not a whole can...maybe 1/4) and he would mellow. Just the way it works for them. So since most of the ADHD/ADD meds are stimulants, that is why they are a choice for abuse amongst partiers or students that are not afflicted.
6/26/2014 6:46am
PressPassP wrote:
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway :unsure: I wonder just how many riders see this being...
I'm not pharmacist but why you would want to treat ADHD with amphetamine is beyond me anyway Unsure

I wonder just how many riders see this being legal under a doctor's instruction and are "exploiting" it?

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It's detailed in the column in the original post. If you really want to know why, go read it.
Your whole argument that Adderall won't provide an advantage to someone with ADHD is not accurate.

(in case you missed it before)

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v31/n11/full/1301164a.html

In contrast to these basic studies in rats, humans given stimulant medications for the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) display reduced locomotor activity and improved attentional focus. For years, it was presumed that stimulant medications had paradoxical effects in ADHD. However, it is now established that the focusing effects of stimulants in ADHD are not paradoxical; these agents have the same effect in 'normal' human subjects (albeit a more subtle response given ceiling effects) (Rapoport and Inoff-Germain, 2002). However, the discrepancies between locomotor-activating effects in rodents and the focusing effects in humans remained: it was assumed that the locomotor-activating effects of stimulants in rodents must be owing to species differences, thus weakening the validity of rodent models of ADHD
6/26/2014 7:28am
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http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981 JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then...
http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981

JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then and has subsequently forgotten it, or he didn't have a long term medical condition 5 years ago?
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So he didn't take it 2 yrs ago? Or did he have a TUE then?
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Fraser wrote:
http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981 JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then...
http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981

JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then and has subsequently forgotten it, or he didn't have a long term medical condition 5 years ago?
It's entirely possible that his actual diagnosis has occurred within a few months or years.
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http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981 JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then...
http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Drug-Testing-Comes-to-Supercross,2981

JS was tested following the San Francisco SX in 2009 and passed according to this Guy B article. So either he had a TUE then and has subsequently forgotten it, or he didn't have a long term medical condition 5 years ago?
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It's entirely possible that his actual diagnosis has occurred within a few months or years.
Two years constitutes "years", and two years ago is still after all of this "evidence" Fraser is posting.
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6/26/2014 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 2:53pm
Well according to that we would have to have been on Adderal for the last 4 years. It was posted 2 years ago and she says he was prescribed Adderal 2 years prior to the post.

If that's the case and he has passed drug screens the past four years then he must of had a TUE, right? So that would indicate he was aware for the last four years that he had to have a TUE. So he either didn't get a TUE exemption this time or he tested above the limit allowed by his TUE.

This, of couse is assuming it was JSs' mom. I highley doubt it considering he was a multimillionaire 4 years ago and able to afford excellent medical care. I mean why would his mom have to post on justanswer. I can only assuming that being his mom, the mom of a son who provides for the family, that she would have been on top of this from the get go
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6/26/2014 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 3:07pm
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Well according to that we would have to have been on Adderal for the last 4 years. It was posted 2 years ago and she says...
Well according to that we would have to have been on Adderal for the last 4 years. It was posted 2 years ago and she says he was prescribed Adderal 2 years prior to the post.

If that's the case and he has passed drug screens the past four years then he must of had a TUE, right? So that would indicate he was aware for the last four years that he had to have a TUE. So he either didn't get a TUE exemption this time or he tested above the limit allowed by his TUE.

This, of couse is assuming it was JSs' mom. I highley doubt it considering he was a multimillionaire 4 years ago and able to afford excellent medical care. I mean why would his mom have to post on justanswer. I can only assuming that being his mom, the mom of a son who provides for the family, that she would have been on top of this from the get go
It says 'He was prescribed Adderall a couple of years ago, and he thinks that might help him now'


Sounds like he was prescribed it, and may not have taken it, or quit taking it.

Another thing that is possible is he only takes it when symptoms are severe.

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6/26/2014 3:16pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 3:18pm
..... or just when he races....Whistling

We could go WAY conspiracy theory here and say this was just laying the ground work in case he got caught.............. I kid I kid

6/26/2014 3:28pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 3:29pm
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..... or just when he races....:whistle: We could go WAY conspiracy theory here and say this was just laying the ground work in case he got...
..... or just when he races....Whistling

We could go WAY conspiracy theory here and say this was just laying the ground work in case he got caught.............. I kid I kid

The user that brought the justanswers.com link to light did so in his first post on Vital. The user registered that day and hasn't posted since.

Also, the post coincidentally made it onto the very first page of the thread that broke the JS7 news.

I wonder how much money it would take for an admin at justanswers.com to back date a post?
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..... or just when he races....:whistle: We could go WAY conspiracy theory here and say this was just laying the ground work in case he got...
..... or just when he races....Whistling

We could go WAY conspiracy theory here and say this was just laying the ground work in case he got caught.............. I kid I kid

According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it, but I think we will get some answers soon.

What should I avoid?

This medication may impair your thinking or reactions. Be careful if you drive or do anything that requires you to be alert.


http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html


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According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it

MAY....................... I say again...... MAY

It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect.

You must be either trolling or dumb if you are going to state unequivocally that taking Adderal wouldn't benefit a MX/SX racer.
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According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it MAY....................... I say again...... MAY It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect...
According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it

MAY....................... I say again...... MAY

It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect.

You must be either trolling or dumb if you are going to state unequivocally that taking Adderal wouldn't benefit a MX/SX racer.
Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you.

I don't know what it does for sure, I have heard many different things from different people. Some said it does exactly what that warning said.

It's up to WADA to decide if riders can use it, not me.
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6/26/2014 3:59pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 3:59pm
Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you.

...and yet knowing that you still did it..... Thanks for letting me know you're not trolling................
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smeg wrote:
According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it MAY....................... I say again...... MAY It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect...
According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it

MAY....................... I say again...... MAY

It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect.

You must be either trolling or dumb if you are going to state unequivocally that taking Adderal wouldn't benefit a MX/SX racer.
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Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you. I don't know what it does for sure, I have heard many different things from different people...
Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you.

I don't know what it does for sure, I have heard many different things from different people. Some said it does exactly what that warning said.

It's up to WADA to decide if riders can use it, not me.
You stated it's up to WADA to decide if riders can use it. I think they have made their decision.
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Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you.

...and yet knowing that you still did it..... Thanks for letting me know you're not trolling................
No problem Silly
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6/26/2014 4:06pm Edited Date/Time 6/26/2014 4:08pm
smeg wrote:
According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it MAY....................... I say again...... MAY It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect...
According to this racing seems like the worst time to take it

MAY....................... I say again...... MAY

It also MAY increase reaction time, increase focus, ect.

You must be either trolling or dumb if you are going to state unequivocally that taking Adderal wouldn't benefit a MX/SX racer.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you. I don't know what it does for sure, I have heard many different things from different people...
Well I am definitely dumb for conversing with you.

I don't know what it does for sure, I have heard many different things from different people. Some said it does exactly what that warning said.

It's up to WADA to decide if riders can use it, not me.
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You stated it's up to WADA to decide if riders can use it. I think they have made their decision.
Yep, just need to get a TUE and you are good. Smile
6/26/2014 4:10pm
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Yep, just need to get a TUE and you are good. Smile
I believe a TUE can be obtained for any substance on the banned list.
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Yep, just need to get a TUE and you are good. Smile
You can still fail, even wit a TUE.
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Yep, just need to get a TUE and you are good. Smile
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You can still fail, even wit a TUE.
Now that would be dumb Laughing
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My story is similar to APLMAN's (son with ADHD, immediate improvement with the pill, etc.) So one day I decide to take one (Concerta), just to see what it's like.

So, what's it like? Holy S**t! The ability to focus and absorb information and data explodes exponentially. Watching an endless parade of power point presentations can turn excruciating very quickly, and your mind wanders elsewhere. But when on Concerta, you are locked into the presenter's every word. Even the most trivial of topics becomes a bench racing session!

For those with true ADHD, these medications can change their world. For my son, the "smart pills" allow him to be normal, as many have said. Diagnosing him for ADHD was an extended process which included brain scans to eliminate seizures as a possible cause of his attention issues. But after taking Concerta myself, it's ability to enhance athletic performance is hard to argue. It's an incredible tool, and one that can provide an edge in competitive environments.

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6/26/2014 4:23pm
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Yep, just need to get a TUE and you are good. Smile
smeg wrote:
You can still fail, even wit a TUE.
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Now that would be dumb Laughing
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