Stewart not barred from racing this weekend

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Just saw this.............. Consequences of anti-­doping rule violations: A Rider’s or other Person’s violation of an anti-­doping rule may result in one or more of the...
Just saw this..............

Consequences of anti-­doping rule violations: A Rider’s or other Person’s violation of an anti-­doping rule may result in one or more of the following: (c)Provisional Suspension means the Rider or other Person is barred temporarily from competing in any competition prior to the final decision at a hearing conducted under Article 8(Right to a fair hearing).

From the FIM Code...... found here........

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI_2012/2013/6…

It says ANY COMPETITION????? It does not specify FIM competition, it say ANY competition.
I am sure at some point JS signed a form agreeing to comply with WADA/FIM rules/rulings and this appears to me to say he is barred from racing ANY event until the hearing is conducted.

Sorry but JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play out and whatever happens, happens!
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Has there been any main stream press about him being allowed to race?

Not sure the general public will be too concerned with the different sanctioning bodies in mx...
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Taken from-
http://moto.mpora.com/news/james-stewart-will-race-weekend-muddy-creek…

Not mainstream exactly, but shows how not everyone is that excited by the idea of him riding this weekend whilst suspended..

"James Stewart will once again saddle up for this weekends Muddy Creek national even though the Yoshimura Suzuki rider has been provisionally suspended by the world governing body, the FIM.

The whole issue around Stewart and his suspension from FIM sanctioned events and the non-FIM affiliated Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship is just a huge mine field of if, when and how.

Surely any rider who has failed a drugs test should be suspended from all events world wide, no matter what championship it is , does this make a mockery of the rules that are set in place?

The whole episode feels like its being swept under the carpet without actually getting to the bottom of what the outcome will be – the story will continue.

Was it a medical reason? Was it to improve performance? Was it a mistake?

Lets hope the whole sorry saga gets sorted soon, for the sake of the sport."


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rcm406 wrote:
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play...
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play out and whatever happens, happens!
I give a shit because i love the sport and if the sport is going to have rules then they need to be adhered to. Otherwise, like someone else posted, MX/SX will be no more of a "sport" than WWF.

Why do YOU give a shit about what I post. Especially in this case where all I did was post what the rules state and my opinion on interpretation. Although as written the rules don't appear to need much interpretation as they seem fairly "cut and dried".

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rcm406 wrote:
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play...
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play out and whatever happens, happens!
smeg wrote:
I give a shit because i love the sport and if the sport is going to have rules then they need to be adhered to. Otherwise...
I give a shit because i love the sport and if the sport is going to have rules then they need to be adhered to. Otherwise, like someone else posted, MX/SX will be no more of a "sport" than WWF.

Why do YOU give a shit about what I post. Especially in this case where all I did was post what the rules state and my opinion on interpretation. Although as written the rules don't appear to need much interpretation as they seem fairly "cut and dried".

But you didn't state it as your opinion, you stated it as fact.

Sorry but JS should NOT be racing this weekend.

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Sorry but I think JS should NOT be racing this weekend.

That's the problem with this place and 90% of the BS people come up with - people state their opinions as fact (whether meaning to or not), and others get all twisted up about it and have to come back with more opinion stated as fact.
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6/25/2014 5:05am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 5:05am
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
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Yea and opinions are like assholes. You got one or you are one.
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From what I understand, until his WADA trial (possibly this week) and also the Lakewood test comes back, his plan is to race. The trial could change that and the Lakewood test could also change that. Still a lot to sort through.
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I can see it now...

"The crowd goes wild, awesome pass on lap 11 by Stewart the Yoshimura Suzuki rider, provisionally banned by the FIM for a positive amphetamine result but still allowed to race. But hey, there are still some technicalities between the FIM, USADA, WADA, MX Sports etc. so we're pretty sure he has as a legal case to compete. Dungey and Roczen fading badly now, looking mentally tired but battling hard for second".

What a mess.





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jeffro503 wrote:
Didn't want to quote myself , but I was hoping someone could answer my question above?
Trav138 wrote:
Jeff, i think what they are implying is WADA being upset that the Powers that be did't enforce their suspension, so James gets the stiff treatment...
Jeff, i think what they are implying is WADA being upset that the Powers that be did't enforce their suspension, so James gets the stiff treatment when they(WADA, FIM) are holding the cards(MXDN and SX)
I don't think that will happen.
Like someone else said its a total shit show. Was their any conversations prior to this about AMA enforcing a WADA suspension? Who knows, i'm just glad he's racing, its better when most of top guys are racing imo.
Thank you Trav for explaining that!
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smeg wrote:
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
Wrong again.

Go read the article on RacerX as to why he can race.

They obviously read the sections you skipped.

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rcm406 wrote:
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play...
Why do you even give a shit? Does this affect your life? We can't control any of this shit, so why bother? Just let it play out and whatever happens, happens!
Seriously, Smeg is constantly posting shit about this, take a deep breath and let it play out guy, your constant anti JS7 posts are getting old. Relax Laughing
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smeg wrote:
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process.

So, if it was an XGames race (hypothetical based on them having race events in the past), would the FIM have any authority over that? Obviously they have the ability to pull a license, but to instruct a rider not to race? It's the same issue here.

6/25/2014 8:57am
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process. So, if it was an...
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process.

So, if it was an XGames race (hypothetical based on them having race events in the past), would the FIM have any authority over that? Obviously they have the ability to pull a license, but to instruct a rider not to race? It's the same issue here.

It's like you pointed out before, they can't preclude him from racing, MX Sports has said as much. What the FIM can do is coerce James into not racing via the threat of a stiffer penalty.
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One of the problems here is that people want immediate definitive answers, and before things get sorted out so that people can offer whatever opinions they have with some base of actual knowledge. And the sorting out here includes a lot of loose ends from the realignments among the different promoters and sanctioning bodies after the AMA got out of everything but SX; loose ends that people haven't had, or wanted, to think about but now have to deal with within a short period of time. Hence, you get a statement from MXSports where it has had to draw a line and make a formal statement about the relative relationship between it and the FIM. I doubt anyone wanted to do that, for this or any other situation. To me, it's a bigger issue for the sport than the specific incident.

And there's probably some lurking unsaid things. It seems like it's hard here for people to not be all in on one side or the other on every facet of an issue, but I'd think folks at least be on board with the notion that there needs to be confidence in the process by which anyone cuts off another's means of earning a living. There are plenty of red flags known, and a few as yet generally unknown, to question the process here. Remember, the results management ~ penalty determination ~ for the respective series is done by the FIM, not WADA, and MXSports, not USADA. There doesn't appear to be any result dispute, but the Code's guidelines to agencies who do their own results management emphasizes the need to assure the integrity of the process (from innocent error or malice) before barring an athlete from competition. Aside from the irregularity that others outside the need-to-know group were told of this before Stewart was, and the restriction on racing without a hearing, it doesn't look like there was any effort to bring MXSports into the loop to coordinate how to deal with the situation or even give notice that the FIM was preparing to levy a penalty that it expected MXSports to enforce immediately (I confess, I am inferring that an attempt to coordinate didn't happen, but I am pretty confident from the reactions and timing and the end game we're at now that it did not). That sort of coordination would be especially necessary if the FIM rushed to get a provisional suspension into place before it could hold the required hearing with an eye on specifically barring Stew from the next National. And not the least of the reasons for that coordination is that if Stew was barred, it's conceivable he could seek an injunction allowing him to ride (strong irreparable injury position for Stew), and the tip of that spear hits MXSports, not the FIM.

Under the circumstances, it's pretty reasonable for the MXSports folks to step back and let things get sorted; it's unfortunate there wasn't more opportunity to get it sorted before it came to this.
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What the fuck ever happened to Logic?

This shit is stupid
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The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process. So, if it was an...
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process.

So, if it was an XGames race (hypothetical based on them having race events in the past), would the FIM have any authority over that? Obviously they have the ability to pull a license, but to instruct a rider not to race? It's the same issue here.

TripleFive wrote:
It's like you pointed out before, they can't preclude him from racing, MX Sports has said as much. What the FIM can do is coerce James...
It's like you pointed out before, they can't preclude him from racing, MX Sports has said as much. What the FIM can do is coerce James into not racing via the threat of a stiffer penalty.
But as I understand Smeg's complaint, he's bummed about MXSport's decision to allow Stew to race, not Stew's decision to defy the FIM's authority over him by virtue of his FIM license.

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I am just glad that Stewart is racing this week end. I don't see the point in speculating about what may or may not happen in the future. I just know that the racing is better when all the top guys are on the line. We already have enough guys out, we don't need Stewart on the sidelines. I know some of you think him racing is bad for the sport, other think it's better for the sport if he races. It's not that I don't care about the sport, but my selfish motivation is that I want to see good racing!
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smeg wrote:
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
IceMan446 wrote:
Wrong again.

Go read the article on RacerX as to why he can race.

They obviously read the sections you skipped.

No not wrong...... Yes the pro nationals aren't part of WADA/FIM BUT............ at some point JS signed a paper agreeing to abide by WADA/FIM rules and sanctions. Therefore irrespective of what MX Sports says regarding racing JS is still bound to the WADA/FIM rules.

Try again...............................
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But as I understand Smeg's complaint, he's bummed about MXSport's decision to allow Stew to race, not Stew's decision to defy the FIM's authority over him...
But as I understand Smeg's complaint, he's bummed about MXSport's decision to allow Stew to race, not Stew's decision to defy the FIM's authority over him by virtue of his FIM license.

I am not bummed about Stu racing this weekend IF it is allowed within the terms/rules he agreed to abide by.

I think it would be great for the sport if he raced tis weekend actually..... but only if is in compliance with the rules. Not just MX pro racing rules but ALL the rules he has agreed to abide by.
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No not wrong...... Yes the pro nationals aren't part of WADA/FIM BUT............ at some point JS signed a paper agreeing to abide by WADA/FIM rules and...
No not wrong...... Yes the pro nationals aren't part of WADA/FIM BUT............ at some point JS signed a paper agreeing to abide by WADA/FIM rules and sanctions. Therefore irrespective of what MX Sports says regarding racing JS is still bound to the WADA/FIM rules.

Try again...............................
Read this, then get back to us.

Here
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smeg wrote:
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process. So, if it was an...
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process.

So, if it was an XGames race (hypothetical based on them having race events in the past), would the FIM have any authority over that? Obviously they have the ability to pull a license, but to instruct a rider not to race? It's the same issue here.

Per the FIM rules he is not permitted to compete in ANY race until the disciplinary court has ruled.
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smeg wrote:
Yea.... because per the FIM rules..... JS should NOT be racing this weekend.
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process. So, if it was an...
The FIM probably thinks so at the moment, even if they didn't consider it when they started their results management process.

So, if it was an XGames race (hypothetical based on them having race events in the past), would the FIM have any authority over that? Obviously they have the ability to pull a license, but to instruct a rider not to race? It's the same issue here.

smeg wrote:
Per the FIM rules he is not permitted to compete in ANY race until the disciplinary court has ruled.
So who do you think is responsible for stopping James from racing this weekend?
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6/25/2014 10:05am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 10:06am
IceMan446 wrote:
Read this, then get back to us.

Here
Go here.....

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI_2012/2013/6…

Got to page 50.... Read consequences of anti-doping rule violations. Then scroll up and read the definition of Competition.

If I missed something let me know.............
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So who do you think is responsible for stopping James from racing this weekend?
James himself if he follows the rules.

Your next question is"Well why would James take himself out of a race?"

For the same reason you don't go rob a bunch of banks and retire today........................... Consequences.
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This can only be seen as great news for the sport of motocross.
Could not agree more!

GO JS7!!!
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Everybody seems to think I have a hard-on because it's James.... Couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's about the sport(any sport) and following the rules.

I am a frm believer that anyone who doesn't follow the rules is cheating(not just themselves but they are cheating the sport) as defined by everyone I know and also Miriam-webster.
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smeg wrote:
Everybody seems to think I have a hard-on because it's James.... Couldn't be farther from the truth. It's about the sport(any sport) and following the rules...
Everybody seems to think I have a hard-on because it's James.... Couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's about the sport(any sport) and following the rules.

I am a frm believer that anyone who doesn't follow the rules is cheating(not just themselves but they are cheating the sport) as defined by everyone I know and also Miriam-webster.
Smeg, go home you've had enough.....Dry
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ns503 wrote:
So who do you think is responsible for stopping James from racing this weekend?
smeg wrote:
James himself if he follows the rules. Your next question is"Well why would James take himself out of a race?" For the same reason you don't...
James himself if he follows the rules.

Your next question is"Well why would James take himself out of a race?"

For the same reason you don't go rob a bunch of banks and retire today........................... Consequences.
Yes I agree - it seems at this point to be all on James, and to be his call on whether he races or not.

So he is not 'barred'.

I would not be asking that next question as it would seem obvious as to why he would take himself out - the future repercussions of doing so (racing this weekend) could have a very severe impact on his career going forward. If it turns out to be the wrong choice, it is he who will be penalized. Seems to be all on him (this weekend) - which is why I sure as heck won't be criticizing the decision one way or the other. The one facing consequences will be the one making the decision. I could also still see him deciding to not race this weekend - I suspect this will truly be a game time decision and that this still may not be his final asnwer.
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smeg wrote:
Go here..... http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI_2012/2013/6572010_eng__final.pdf Got to page 50.... Read consequences of anti-doping rule violations. Then scroll up and read the definition of Competition. If I missed something...
Go here.....

http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI_2012/2013/6…

Got to page 50.... Read consequences of anti-doping rule violations. Then scroll up and read the definition of Competition.

If I missed something let me know.............
Think you missed the part about the scope of the FIM and their rules.

Read page 4.


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