James Stewart is not a cheater

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Bob693 6/21/2014 4:27pm
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As I understood it, he was comparing kicking a second grader out of school for having nail clippers, because of a "zero tolerance policy" against weapons...
As I understood it, he was comparing kicking a second grader out of school for having nail clippers, because of a "zero tolerance policy" against weapons, to banning a guy for "cheating" because he failed a drug test for a medication his doctor has prescribed him for years. Not comparing Stewart to a second-grader.
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Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an...
Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an example of the senior in high school but was trying to point out the obsurdity of zero tolerance systems. Just like a principal should look at a unique situation in school and have discretion in the punishment handed out, so should the FIM. Why would you want someone who brought nail clippers to school by mistake to receive the same punishment as someone who brought a gun to scare someone with? Why would you want someone who took a prescribed medication for a legitimate medical issue to be punished the same as someone who was taking HGH or EPO? I'm not saying James shouldn't receive a punishment, only that the situation should be judged on the facts (that we don't know) of this particular case and punished accordingly. I'm a fan of James but typically pull for Dungey and would feel the same about this if it were RV or anyone else for that matter. I don't want to see us lose one of the stars of our sport because they took the wrong allergy pill, supplement or whatever. There are only so many guys that can win a SX race and we usually lose one or two to injury. We can't afford to lose any over something like this.
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Don't accept Nerd's 2nd grader analogy. It's weak.
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the mental giants here would not be able to follow it.
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It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue. We all know the stories of Ritalin...
It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue.

We all know the stories of Ritalin and Adderall to help you study better, etc. He might of found an advantage that it helped him with motocross.
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Those drugs only help people study because they use them to stay up all night and not sleep.
Actually I can say they don't help everyone. I was on those drugs for a LOOONG time. And what they provide, sanity for everyone around the person with ADHD/ADD. Don't fall into that trap of believing what the drug company tells you. I learned way more on my own after the drugs had cycled through my system. They dull the edge. Like right now, I am jittery. This is natural for me. On these types of drugs its more of a "stoned." Less fidgety.

I can't be the only one around here that suffers. Id love to hear someone else take on the drugs.
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Hoov 6/21/2014 4:33pm
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Something that doesn't add up- Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order...
Something that doesn't add up-
Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order to gain an advantage. A person with ADD that takes Adderall would loose that "advantage", right?

This would lead me to think that either:
1) James has ADD, and didn't take his meds right before the race in order to gain back the natural advantage an ADD person has. This could also explain his lack of WADA disclosure "well, I don't take my meds before a race; no reason to discuss that with the drug cops and raise suspicion".
2) James doesn't have ADD and took the Adderall in order to gain the advantage it gives to a "normal" person.


Is my thinking off?


Btw- 46 on the damn quiz http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm My wife just laughed.
Missed it by THAT much...people who have ADD/ADHD have a HANDYCAP. They take medication to be more like "normal" people. If James is expected to perform his duties WITHOUT his medication, then he is at a SEVERE HANDYCAP! When my 6 year old daughter was diagnosed with ADHD, it caused me to look more closely at my own issues. After 30 years undiagnosed and self medicated, I was finally diagnosed by a Psychologist, and was then refered to a Psychiatrist for a prescription for medication. A lot of people with ADHD don't want people to know they have it due to the stigma attached....Maybe James felt that way, who knows. My hats off to Steve for exposing himself in the way he does here in an attempt to help people understand this condition. ADHD/ADD is REAL! I know this from personal experience. If you don't have personal experience to draw on, probably better off not to discuss it...it will only make you look like a fool. (not talking about you Matt Fisher)
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Something that doesn't add up- Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order...
Something that doesn't add up-
Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order to gain an advantage. A person with ADD that takes Adderall would loose that "advantage", right?

This would lead me to think that either:
1) James has ADD, and didn't take his meds right before the race in order to gain back the natural advantage an ADD person has. This could also explain his lack of WADA disclosure "well, I don't take my meds before a race; no reason to discuss that with the drug cops and raise suspicion".
2) James doesn't have ADD and took the Adderall in order to gain the advantage it gives to a "normal" person.


Is my thinking off?


Btw- 46 on the damn quiz http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm My wife just laughed.
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If you can take that test, fair to asses you don't have ADD. If you can't, you have. I lost interest at question 3.

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level wrote:
It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue. We all know the stories of Ritalin...
It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue.

We all know the stories of Ritalin and Adderall to help you study better, etc. He might of found an advantage that it helped him with motocross.
Nerd wrote:
Those drugs only help people study because they use them to stay up all night and not sleep.
Tiki wrote:
Actually I can say they don't help everyone. I was on those drugs for a LOOONG time. And what they provide, sanity for everyone around the...
Actually I can say they don't help everyone. I was on those drugs for a LOOONG time. And what they provide, sanity for everyone around the person with ADHD/ADD. Don't fall into that trap of believing what the drug company tells you. I learned way more on my own after the drugs had cycled through my system. They dull the edge. Like right now, I am jittery. This is natural for me. On these types of drugs its more of a "stoned." Less fidgety.

I can't be the only one around here that suffers. Id love to hear someone else take on the drugs.
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Something that doesn't add up- Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order...
Something that doesn't add up-
Nerds article mentioned that ADD is an advantage for an MX racer, and a normal person would take Adderall in order to gain an advantage. A person with ADD that takes Adderall would loose that "advantage", right?

This would lead me to think that either:
1) James has ADD, and didn't take his meds right before the race in order to gain back the natural advantage an ADD person has. This could also explain his lack of WADA disclosure "well, I don't take my meds before a race; no reason to discuss that with the drug cops and raise suspicion".
2) James doesn't have ADD and took the Adderall in order to gain the advantage it gives to a "normal" person.


Is my thinking off?


Btw- 46 on the damn quiz http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm My wife just laughed.
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Tiki wrote:
If you can take that test, fair to asses you don't have ADD. If you can't, you have. I lost interest at question 3.
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I have thought this before as well as I have many ASD characteristics, just very mild. I always thought i had mild OCD, but when my...
I have thought this before as well as I have many ASD characteristics, just very mild. I always thought i had mild OCD, but when my niece was diagnosed with ASD, the more I learned the more I thought, oh shit!
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http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism.htm
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FUCK YOU!
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Bob693 wrote:
Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an...
Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an example of the senior in high school but was trying to point out the obsurdity of zero tolerance systems. Just like a principal should look at a unique situation in school and have discretion in the punishment handed out, so should the FIM. Why would you want someone who brought nail clippers to school by mistake to receive the same punishment as someone who brought a gun to scare someone with? Why would you want someone who took a prescribed medication for a legitimate medical issue to be punished the same as someone who was taking HGH or EPO? I'm not saying James shouldn't receive a punishment, only that the situation should be judged on the facts (that we don't know) of this particular case and punished accordingly. I'm a fan of James but typically pull for Dungey and would feel the same about this if it were RV or anyone else for that matter. I don't want to see us lose one of the stars of our sport because they took the wrong allergy pill, supplement or whatever. There are only so many guys that can win a SX race and we usually lose one or two to injury. We can't afford to lose any over something like this.
toroP wrote:
Don't accept Nerd's 2nd grader analogy. It's weak.
Bob693 wrote:
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the...
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the mental giants here would not be able to follow it.
ok, then, follow this:

If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment is in order if the child brings clippers to school.

James' team should not have allowed him to fail a drug test, but they did.
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toroP wrote:
Don't accept Nerd's 2nd grader analogy. It's weak.
Bob693 wrote:
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the...
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the mental giants here would not be able to follow it.
toroP wrote:
ok, then, follow this: If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment...
ok, then, follow this:

If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment is in order if the child brings clippers to school.

James' team should not have allowed him to fail a drug test, but they did.
What if the second grader put them in the backpack without the parent knowing? Should they be expelled from school just like a senior who intentionally brought a gun to school? My point is against zero tolerance policies and treating everything the same regardless of intent. I don't think someone who didn't file the proper paperwork to take a prescribed medication should be treated the same as someone who knowingly tried to take something like EPO for nothing other than to gain an advantage. Now it may turn out that he doesn't have a prescription and he only takes it to cheat and my opinion will change. But for now I have no reason or facts to not believe James. I would defend any rider in the same situation. I just hate seeing all of these people proclaiming him a cheater no different than Lance just because he had one of a laundry list of things that are banned.
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Bob693 wrote:
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the...
It was my second grader analogy and was made to prove my point by taking something to the level of absurdity. I should have known the mental giants here would not be able to follow it.
toroP wrote:
ok, then, follow this: If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment...
ok, then, follow this:

If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment is in order if the child brings clippers to school.

James' team should not have allowed him to fail a drug test, but they did.
Bob693 wrote:
What if the second grader put them in the backpack without the parent knowing? Should they be expelled from school just like a senior who intentionally...
What if the second grader put them in the backpack without the parent knowing? Should they be expelled from school just like a senior who intentionally brought a gun to school? My point is against zero tolerance policies and treating everything the same regardless of intent. I don't think someone who didn't file the proper paperwork to take a prescribed medication should be treated the same as someone who knowingly tried to take something like EPO for nothing other than to gain an advantage. Now it may turn out that he doesn't have a prescription and he only takes it to cheat and my opinion will change. But for now I have no reason or facts to not believe James. I would defend any rider in the same situation. I just hate seeing all of these people proclaiming him a cheater no different than Lance just because he had one of a laundry list of things that are banned.
Are you two ladies done yet? Y'all should really stop before someone gets hit with a purse
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you sir are an industry kiss ass the first thing you will say is did you read the whole thing in which case I will honestly...
you sir are an industry kiss ass
the first thing you will say is did you read the whole thing in which case I will honestly say hell f****** no I didn't..waay too long and just verbose...but I read most of it....a rule is a rule and James Stewart broke one. giving him a pass is unfair to the other riders, but like everything else, follow the money.
Im 100% sure if it was RV you would feel different. Every time you post your Neg, if it has something to do with JS7, you and that gay ass Zook11. Im a huge RV fan, but I still think JS7 is being made the poster boy.

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slipdog 6/21/2014 5:49pm
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toroP wrote:
ok, then, follow this: If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment...
ok, then, follow this:

If the second grader's parents were given documentation saying weapons(including nail clippers and like sharp objects) are not allowed at school, punishment is in order if the child brings clippers to school.

James' team should not have allowed him to fail a drug test, but they did.
Bob693 wrote:
What if the second grader put them in the backpack without the parent knowing? Should they be expelled from school just like a senior who intentionally...
What if the second grader put them in the backpack without the parent knowing? Should they be expelled from school just like a senior who intentionally brought a gun to school? My point is against zero tolerance policies and treating everything the same regardless of intent. I don't think someone who didn't file the proper paperwork to take a prescribed medication should be treated the same as someone who knowingly tried to take something like EPO for nothing other than to gain an advantage. Now it may turn out that he doesn't have a prescription and he only takes it to cheat and my opinion will change. But for now I have no reason or facts to not believe James. I would defend any rider in the same situation. I just hate seeing all of these people proclaiming him a cheater no different than Lance just because he had one of a laundry list of things that are banned.
hvaughn88 wrote:
Are you two ladies done yet? Y'all should really stop before someone gets hit with a purse
say that while holding your tongue.
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Holy fuckballs ... a thread started by nerd that turns into a total shitfest . Go figure . I will say it's a very well thought out and well crafted piece but an opinion piece nonetheless.
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Ha I wasn't bashing your assessment at all. I haven't gotten time to read it yet, but I will shortly. I just don't see how Bob...
Ha I wasn't bashing your assessment at all. I haven't gotten time to read it yet, but I will shortly. I just don't see how Bob could compare a 2nd grader to a grown adult. I don't agree with that. But I'm hoping everything works out for James and we see him on the line for a long, long time.
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As I understood it, he was comparing kicking a second grader out of school for having nail clippers, because of a "zero tolerance policy" against weapons...
As I understood it, he was comparing kicking a second grader out of school for having nail clippers, because of a "zero tolerance policy" against weapons, to banning a guy for "cheating" because he failed a drug test for a medication his doctor has prescribed him for years. Not comparing Stewart to a second-grader.
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Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an...
Correct, I wasn't trying to compare the action of a second grader to that of JS, who is a grown man. I could have used an example of the senior in high school but was trying to point out the obsurdity of zero tolerance systems. Just like a principal should look at a unique situation in school and have discretion in the punishment handed out, so should the FIM. Why would you want someone who brought nail clippers to school by mistake to receive the same punishment as someone who brought a gun to scare someone with? Why would you want someone who took a prescribed medication for a legitimate medical issue to be punished the same as someone who was taking HGH or EPO? I'm not saying James shouldn't receive a punishment, only that the situation should be judged on the facts (that we don't know) of this particular case and punished accordingly. I'm a fan of James but typically pull for Dungey and would feel the same about this if it were RV or anyone else for that matter. I don't want to see us lose one of the stars of our sport because they took the wrong allergy pill, supplement or whatever. There are only so many guys that can win a SX race and we usually lose one or two to injury. We can't afford to lose any over something like this.
This, I completely agree with.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Are you two ladies done yet? Y'all should really stop before someone gets hit with a purse
So debating a point with someone on a forum makes you a woman? Nice contribution
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hvaughn88 wrote:
Are you two ladies done yet? Y'all should really stop before someone gets hit with a purse
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So debating a point with someone on a forum makes you a woman? Nice contribution
If that doesn't, maybe the wadded panties do. Ease up. In the words of the late great Chubbs Peterson, "just easin' the tension baby, just easin' the tension."
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He gets millions of dollars, his handlers fumbled the opportunity to take care of this. Tip of the iceberg
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smeg wrote:
Nerd..... Can you tell me with 100% certainty that JS did NOT gain an UNFAIR advantage? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that he wasn't...
Nerd..... Can you tell me with 100% certainty that JS did NOT gain an UNFAIR advantage? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that he wasn't TRYING to gain an advantage?

NO.... you can't. You can only make an assumption.
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Actually, yes, I can. 100%. Because, LIKE I SAID IN THE COLUMN, I know for a fact that many of his competitors at least USED TO...
Actually, yes, I can. 100%.

Because, LIKE I SAID IN THE COLUMN, I know for a fact that many of his competitors at least USED TO take the same medications for the same condition.

But you read it, right?
That does not matter.

You're writing about things you know or think, but the rules work around what they have proven only.

It might suck but until such time that another competitor is caught within the rule framework then that is all that matters.
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smeg wrote:
Nerd..... Can you tell me with 100% certainty that JS did NOT gain an UNFAIR advantage? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that he wasn't...
Nerd..... Can you tell me with 100% certainty that JS did NOT gain an UNFAIR advantage? Can you tell me with 100% certainty that he wasn't TRYING to gain an advantage?

NO.... you can't. You can only make an assumption.
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Actually, yes, I can. 100%. Because, LIKE I SAID IN THE COLUMN, I know for a fact that many of his competitors at least USED TO...
Actually, yes, I can. 100%.

Because, LIKE I SAID IN THE COLUMN, I know for a fact that many of his competitors at least USED TO take the same medications for the same condition.

But you read it, right?
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That does not matter. You're writing about things you know or think, but the rules work around what they have proven only. It might suck but...
That does not matter.

You're writing about things you know or think, but the rules work around what they have proven only.

It might suck but until such time that another competitor is caught within the rule framework then that is all that matters.
Man you sure want that Cat found guilty...Laughing Laughing
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Crush wrote:
That does not matter. You're writing about things you know or think, but the rules work around what they have proven only. It might suck but...
That does not matter.

You're writing about things you know or think, but the rules work around what they have proven only.

It might suck but until such time that another competitor is caught within the rule framework then that is all that matters.
No Crush..... Nerd KNOWS what JS is doing/thinking. He KNOWS JS wasn't trying to gain an advantage. How he KNOWS this I have no idea. He must be clairvoyant or some shit to say that he knows with 100% certainty what another man is thinking...... LOL

His assertion that he KNOWS these things is just absurd.
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smeg wrote:
LOL..... Pitiful Stewart broke the rules. Now everyone want to give him a pass..... I say again ... Pitiful. It doesn't matter how he broke the...
LOL..... Pitiful

Stewart broke the rules. Now everyone want to give him a pass..... I say again ... Pitiful.

It doesn't matter how he broke the rules.
It doesn't matter why he broke the rules.
It doesn't matter when hr broke the rules.
It doesn't matter where he broke the rules.

HE BROKE THE FUCKING RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone who breaks the rules while competing is cheating.

If I tell my mechanic I am racing a 125cc race and unbeknownst to me he puts on a 144 kit. I proceed to go out and win the race.
By you're definition I didn't cheat..................... Brilliant!!!!
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I doubt you even read the article, most likely looking at the pictures and laughing at the words...
BL, I am willing to bet that 8 out of 10 times you reply to someone's opinion, you can't do it without insulting them. "jus' sayin"

smeg might be a turd sometimes, and his opinion here you might not like, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. He also didn't insult anybody. It actually makes you look like an idiot when you are incapable of speaking without insulting someone for having an opinion. Sorry buddy, it gets old.
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When RC's fuel was found with trace amounts of lead in it a few years back, some people argued that whether or not Ricky gained an advantage was irrelevant - his fuel didn't comply with the letter of the FIM law and they argued RC should have lost the 25 points for that race. Others argued that the trace amounts of lead didn't affect the performance of his bike and therefore the rule shouldn't result in any penalty to RC.
In the end, Ricky threatened to drop out of the series and a fine was issued instead of a DQ.
If JS wants to settle this up real quick, all he needs to do is threaten to leave this series....

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