Why did the testing and results take so long?

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Edited Date/Time 6/19/2014 6:53am
Seattle sx was about 10 weeks ago and still no results.
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enketchum 6/18/2014 1:01am
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they chose the cheap method
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There's a 21 day right to appeal also, would they wait until all appeals had been heard before making an announcement?
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This is going to be a PR nightmare, I'm sure there's some intense discussion going on right now on how to lighten the blow to this rider's legacy.
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IWreckALot 6/18/2014 4:49am
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So I'm hearing there is still no news right? 24 pages is a lot to read to get that simple question. Hopefully a new thread will be created when they make the press release. If they make the press release. . .

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hillbilly 6/18/2014 4:54am
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I feel sorry for whoever it is,just look at this place.
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They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
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turbotime 6/18/2014 5:19am
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hasko158 wrote:
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX...
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise.

If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my mind off of it and distance myself from it. Europe is pretty nice this time of year, isn't it?
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hasko158 wrote:
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX...
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
turbotime wrote:
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise. If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my...
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise.

If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my mind off of it and distance myself from it. Europe is pretty nice this time of year, isn't it?
Why would them racing mean otherwise? The results just came back, so there's no way RV would have even known. Also, I can't believe I'm going to use this tool as an example, but Dirt Shark said he knows who it was and that his riders, meaning Monster riders, aren't the ones doing it.
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hasko158 wrote:
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX...
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
turbotime wrote:
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise. If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my...
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise.

If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my mind off of it and distance myself from it. Europe is pretty nice this time of year, isn't it?
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Why would them racing mean otherwise? The results just came back, so there's no way RV would have even known. Also, I can't believe I'm going...
Why would them racing mean otherwise? The results just came back, so there's no way RV would have even known. Also, I can't believe I'm going to use this tool as an example, but Dirt Shark said he knows who it was and that his riders, meaning Monster riders, aren't the ones doing it.
The person in question has known for a while. They are allowed to make an appeal for 21 days after the complete case is received by WADA. The appeal process probably continues for at least another month after.

Don't think Dungey or Stewart would be dumb enough to race this summer if they were guilty.
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Fraser 6/18/2014 5:47am
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But if they were confident they could win at appeal, why jeopardise your whole summer?
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hasko158 wrote:
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX...
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
turbotime wrote:
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise. If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my...
Both of them currently racing in the series indicates otherwise.

If I was about to be exposed, I'd probably try to do something to take my mind off of it and distance myself from it. Europe is pretty nice this time of year, isn't it?
hasko158 wrote:
Why would them racing mean otherwise? The results just came back, so there's no way RV would have even known. Also, I can't believe I'm going...
Why would them racing mean otherwise? The results just came back, so there's no way RV would have even known. Also, I can't believe I'm going to use this tool as an example, but Dirt Shark said he knows who it was and that his riders, meaning Monster riders, aren't the ones doing it.
It is getting narrowed down now isn't it, and yes DS has good info.
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turbotime wrote:
The person in question has known for a while. They are allowed to make an appeal for 21 days after the complete case is received by...
The person in question has known for a while. They are allowed to make an appeal for 21 days after the complete case is received by WADA. The appeal process probably continues for at least another month after.

Don't think Dungey or Stewart would be dumb enough to race this summer if they were guilty.
They can request that the B sample be tested.
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Fraser 6/18/2014 6:17am
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Are the results we're expecting going to be the B test results? I guess the authorities wouldn't go public until then
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turbotime 6/18/2014 6:33am
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^--- Monster Energy
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turbotime wrote:
^--- Monster Energy
Why would Monster be holding them up?
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Jakes Dad wrote:
This is going to be a PR nightmare, I'm sure there's some intense discussion going on right now on how to lighten the blow to this...
This is going to be a PR nightmare, I'm sure there's some intense discussion going on right now on how to lighten the blow to this rider's legacy.
I think that it really depends on what the substance is. At this point, it looks just as bad for the organizers, WADA etc.. With all of the talk on this and many other websites, it is just pathetic that there isn't at least some kind of announcement. Even just an official FIM message telling the "press" and in this industry I use that term lightly when the info will be released.
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nytsmaC 6/18/2014 7:23am
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I hope it comes out soon so that the speculation can stop. Out of the 6 riders it's not fair to those of them who are clear of this, as they are under suspicion by everyone up until the announcement is made.
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hasko158 wrote:
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX...
They only test top 3 in SX and top 3 that night was RV, Stew and Dunge. It's been said the rider is in the MX series so it's either Dunge or Stew. Either way it's going to be a big blow.
Top 3 plus another random rider, so it could be anybody.

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I just hope MX/SX doesn't go the way of pro cycling where just the mention of your name and PEDs in the same sentence means a guilty verdict.

Edit: problem with my example, the entire pro pepeton is in fact guilty.
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I just hope the substance isnt something that albeit is a banned substance, is something that would not make a shit bit of differnce to a riders performance...all this attention, PR stuff , finger pointing and assumptions because a rider unknowingly took a medication that happens to contain a certain ingredent that caused a test failure..... My sinus medication would probably cause a test fail and all it does is help me from sneezing ALL DAY long....I dont work harder or ride my bike faster....I just dont sneeze anymore....

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RedRum666 wrote:
I just hope the substance isnt something that albeit is a banned substance, is something that would not make a shit bit of differnce to a...
I just hope the substance isnt something that albeit is a banned substance, is something that would not make a shit bit of differnce to a riders performance...all this attention, PR stuff , finger pointing and assumptions because a rider unknowingly took a medication that happens to contain a certain ingredent that caused a test failure..... My sinus medication would probably cause a test fail and all it does is help me from sneezing ALL DAY long....I dont work harder or ride my bike faster....I just dont sneeze anymore....

it's been stated that for medicines like sinus medicines, the amount you would have to take to actually test positive because of the banned ingredient would ridiculously high. Doubt something like that would be an issue.
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WADA Clarifies B-Sample Procedure
November 22, 2006
Following misleading information in the public domain, it was clarified at the meetings of WADA’s Executive Committee and Foundation Board on November 19-20 that there is no consideration of abandoning the current doping control procedure which allows an athlete whose A-sample has revealed the presence of a prohibited substance or method to request the analysis of his or her B-sample.
“The B-sample helps confirm that an anti-doping rule violation has occurred and protects the rights of the athletes,” said WADA Director General David Howman. “It should be stressed that anti-doping is one of the few types of controls in society in which a confirmation procedure is used in order to protect individuals, and the very rare cases in which the analysis of the B-sample did not match the results of the A-sample have shown the usefulness of such procedure.”
As part of the ongoing revision of the World Anti-Doping Code (Code)—the core document that provides the framework for harmonized anti-doping policies, rules and regulations within sport organizations and among public authorities—a number of stakeholders have suggested considering anti-doping rule violations on the basis of one sample if other available evidence demonstrates to the satisfaction of the panel that the athlete was doping.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
it's been stated that for medicines like sinus medicines, the amount you would have to take to actually test positive because of the banned ingredient would...
it's been stated that for medicines like sinus medicines, the amount you would have to take to actually test positive because of the banned ingredient would ridiculously high. Doubt something like that would be an issue.
Indeed... I was just using that as a general example....the intent for obvious performance enhancement vs something someone took for health issues....
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farmerjohn42 6/18/2014 10:45pm
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I am not as current as most of you, but if you guys are stating that the culprit it is in the top 3 for the Seattle round, is that top 3 in the main only or could all the qualifier race winners for that night be considered as well?
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RedRum666 wrote:
I just hope the substance isnt something that albeit is a banned substance, is something that would not make a shit bit of differnce to a...
I just hope the substance isnt something that albeit is a banned substance, is something that would not make a shit bit of differnce to a riders performance...all this attention, PR stuff , finger pointing and assumptions because a rider unknowingly took a medication that happens to contain a certain ingredent that caused a test failure..... My sinus medication would probably cause a test fail and all it does is help me from sneezing ALL DAY long....I dont work harder or ride my bike faster....I just dont sneeze anymore....

hvaughn88 wrote:
it's been stated that for medicines like sinus medicines, the amount you would have to take to actually test positive because of the banned ingredient would...
it's been stated that for medicines like sinus medicines, the amount you would have to take to actually test positive because of the banned ingredient would ridiculously high. Doubt something like that would be an issue.
you never know, maybe anderson was supplementing with 250lbs of poppy seeds and set off a false positive.
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ReedyMX 6/19/2014 12:52am
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If you knew things were going to hit the fan, going to Europe for a holiday would be a good idea.
What round did RV and AC get the runs. Sometimes taking laxatives can flush the system of something more sinister.
RVs attitude changed in the later races like something behind the scenes was going on and he was under stress and wining did not mean much too him.
Would you want to race the nationals if you knew u got busted?
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Juss 6/19/2014 1:16am
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So what happens to the rider in question? Slap on the wrist, points taken warned? will the rider pull an RC and cry till they get there points back?
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Flip109 6/19/2014 6:22am
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If it is one of the he top 3, I hope it isn't Dungey or stew. RV seems like he could give a fuck less if he races anymore anyway, so id rather it end up being someone like that getting popped.
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Brapp 6/19/2014 6:43am
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Man, I drink those Monster Energy zero drinks, in the white can, all day long.
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FreshTopEnd 6/19/2014 6:53am
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Due process takes time. We should all be glad for that.

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