One of the bigger topics of the weekend...

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5/25/2014 3:05pm
Totally unacceptable. If I were a track owner I would cancel my race if proper medical couldn't be provided. It's a major lawsuit. waiting to happen.
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5/25/2014 3:08pm
I cant understand how this sport is growing and selling out both SX and MX races and they have big companies sponsoring it yet, They dont pay these kids crap for racing and now this?
My wife works for the government and her job is to basically fix financial problems and figure out where money is going and where it should be going. I think they need someone like this because know way can they not be bringing in enough to cover stuff like this.

I could be (probably am) wrong about this but it just doesn't add up to me.
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5/25/2014 3:09pm
englishman wrote:
Also heard as to why the budget wont go as far as it has in previous years. If true it's a poor decision. If untrue it's...
Also heard as to why the budget wont go as far as it has in previous years.

If true it's a poor decision.

If untrue it's a nasty rumor.
What is the "rumor?"
5/25/2014 3:11pm
OW38B wrote:
They (AMA Racing guys) seem to have the funds to start the "whole menu" of USADA testing........?
This^

The Shop

5/25/2014 3:11pm
GuyB wrote:
...was Doc Bodnar telling everyone at the rider's meeting that they have only have budget to attend maybe the first three rounds of the outdoor series...
...was Doc Bodnar telling everyone at the rider's meeting that they have only have budget to attend maybe the first three rounds of the outdoor series this year, and putting out a call asking for donations from around the industry.
Has vitalmx made any contributions? If not, why not? Step up guyb and be the first to contribute
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5/25/2014 3:12pm
So any of you guys that brought this up actually gonna tell what the deal is??
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5/25/2014 3:22pm
GuyB wrote:
...was Doc Bodnar telling everyone at the rider's meeting that they have only have budget to attend maybe the first three rounds of the outdoor series...
...was Doc Bodnar telling everyone at the rider's meeting that they have only have budget to attend maybe the first three rounds of the outdoor series this year, and putting out a call asking for donations from around the industry.
As one of the bigger sports journalists covering the sport this type of topic is what guys like you should be looking into..."what happend and why and when"...shit like that. So get on it sonnyboy.
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5/25/2014 3:24pm
Pathetic. That's like riding without a helmet...or at least health insurance because you can't afford it. If the powers that be can't afford the Doc then we shouldn't be racing. PERIOD.

This needs to be talked about hashed rehashed and speculated about in grand Vital fashion until whoever got greedy.....stops.
5/25/2014 3:24pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2014 3:40pm
How much money does Doc need? 50,000, 100,000, 1,000,000? There needs to be a goal what is it?

Mxsports has to pay the Ambulance service to be onsite plus the "specialty" service Doc is providing...in the old days an ambulance was sufficient
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5/25/2014 3:25pm
I paid $50 to get in to watch the race yesterday. Another $10 to park. $12 for a hot dog and drink. I made my contribution.
5/25/2014 3:27pm
PFitzG38 wrote:
Pathetic. That's like riding without a helmet...or at least health insurance because you can't afford it. If the powers that be can't afford the Doc then...
Pathetic. That's like riding without a helmet...or at least health insurance because you can't afford it. If the powers that be can't afford the Doc then we shouldn't be racing. PERIOD.

This needs to be talked about hashed rehashed and speculated about in grand Vital fashion until whoever got greedy.....stops.
Maybe Doc is charging too much? There are two sides of the story. I work in the medical field and everything is so overpriced.
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5/25/2014 3:41pm
You guys do realize that there is still trained medical staff on site at every race with or without AMMC, right?

Some of you are trying really hard to make it seem otherwise.
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5/25/2014 3:43pm
How many people pay twenty freakin dollars to get in the pits?
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5/25/2014 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2014 3:46pm
newb wrote:
I paid $50 to get in to watch the race yesterday. Another $10 to park. $12 for a hot dog and drink. I made my contribution.
"I made my contribution." Really? Pinch

Move along.
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5/25/2014 3:48pm
I noticed the standby ambulance sitting with its engine idling all day long.
5/25/2014 3:49pm
Toste wrote:
You guys do realize that there is still trained medical staff on site at every race with or without AMMC, right? Some of you are trying...
You guys do realize that there is still trained medical staff on site at every race with or without AMMC, right?

Some of you are trying really hard to make it seem otherwise.
So what does the AMMC add to that? (real curiousity, not being cynical)
5/25/2014 3:49pm Edited Date/Time 5/25/2014 3:54pm
RM127 wrote:
Don't want to be the bad guy but this sounds fishy. How can't they meet the budget when the sport is growing year after year and...
Don't want to be the bad guy but this sounds fishy.

How can't they meet the budget when the sport is growing year after year and making more money.

Sounds like someone is getting greedy....
Do you have any clue where the money really comes from? It does not come from gate. It does not come from TV. It comes from sponsors. Motorsports sponsorship dollars are way way down in all forms of motor sports...and moto especially.

Also...this does not mean there will not be multiple ambos and medical staff at every race. It means they will not have a pro ER trauma doc managing it all....and perhaps the Asterisk MMU will not be there (with onsite X-Ray capability, etc) There will still be medical staff there. Flying a trauma doc across the country for every race is not cheap.
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5/25/2014 3:51pm
Ride at your own risk.
5/25/2014 3:54pm
newb wrote:
I paid $50 to get in to watch the race yesterday. Another $10 to park. $12 for a hot dog and drink. I made my contribution.
davistld01 wrote:
"I made my contribution." Really? Pinch

Move along.
Minimizing a fans contribution should be criminal
5/25/2014 3:55pm
If you take a look at all of the "support" people brought in by the AMA / MXSports, whoever, I think you'll find enough fat to trim to make up the difference. Question is--what are the "nice to have" functions and the "must have" functions?
5/25/2014 3:56pm
From the Asterisk MMU site:

The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is an emergency care facility available at each AMA professional Outdoor Motocross and Supercross event to staff, participants, and crew at no cost. The full 53 foot hospital trailer is staffed with qualified, experienced medical personnel and offers specialized equipment for our sport’s unique injuries. The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is provided to the racing community by Asterisk. Our operating budget is made possible by Feld Motorsports, MX Sports Pro Racing, AMA Racing, Road 2 Recovery Foundation, Joe Gibbs Racing MX Team, and Pro Circuit, as well as individual riders and private donors.
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5/25/2014 3:59pm
Toste wrote:
You guys do realize that there is still trained medical staff on site at every race with or without AMMC, right? Some of you are trying...
You guys do realize that there is still trained medical staff on site at every race with or without AMMC, right?

Some of you are trying really hard to make it seem otherwise.
So what does the AMMC add to that? (real curiousity, not being cynical)
They add the experience of being there every weekend, the knowledge of what these guys go through and the potential of what injuries are going to happen when they hit the deck. They are basically "motocross doctors"

They also have an x-ray machine and other specialized medical equipment on site, as well as doing concussion testing.

Bottom line, they need to be there. They are next level compared to an "off the street" EMT when it comes to helping out the racers....anyone who thinks the guys sitting in the ambulance from the local hospital can come even close to providing the same care is sadly mistaken.

This situation needs to be addressed (funded) and in my opinion the promoter needs to be the one to do it. If MXSports sits by the wayside and settles for local guys in an ambulance (personally, I don't think they will) I won't watch another race all year.

I'm also curious to what this "rumor" is though. That might change my opinion/perspective....
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5/25/2014 4:03pm
newb wrote:
I paid $50 to get in to watch the race yesterday. Another $10 to park. $12 for a hot dog and drink. I made my contribution.
You got off cheap! I added a pit pass $20 parking and a bunch of $9 beers.
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5/25/2014 4:09pm
Tfs was right about a lot more things than most people gave him credit for, he at least gave an honest unbiased opinion on what was going on because he didn't need the hand that feeds most people in this small sport
5/25/2014 4:10pm
From the Asterisk MMU site: [b]The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is an emergency care facility available at each AMA professional Outdoor Motocross and Supercross event to...
From the Asterisk MMU site:

The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is an emergency care facility available at each AMA professional Outdoor Motocross and Supercross event to staff, participants, and crew at no cost. The full 53 foot hospital trailer is staffed with qualified, experienced medical personnel and offers specialized equipment for our sport’s unique injuries. The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center is provided to the racing community by Asterisk. Our operating budget is made possible by Feld Motorsports, MX Sports Pro Racing, AMA Racing, Road 2 Recovery Foundation, Joe Gibbs Racing MX Team, and Pro Circuit, as well as individual riders and private donors.
Perfect post--lets you know where they get their funding. But before I could fault anyone of the contribution side, I would also like to know the expenditure side for AMMC and how it is trending.
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5/25/2014 4:15pm
people wonder why vital can go all vitard on certain topics.

well, what do you expect when supposed people "in the know" always pop up and only drop cryptic comments about what is actually going on behind the scenes and then refuse to provide any actual details, leaving everyone to guess what it is.

you can't have it both ways.

and I AM NOT pointing at GUYB here..
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5/25/2014 4:17pm
newb wrote:
I paid $50 to get in to watch the race yesterday. Another $10 to park. $12 for a hot dog and drink. I made my contribution.
davistld01 wrote:
"I made my contribution." Really? Pinch

Move along.
You can be a jackass to him if you want but he did exactly that. He made his contribution
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5/25/2014 4:17pm
englishman wrote:
Also heard as to why the budget wont go as far as it has in previous years. If true it's a poor decision. If untrue it's...
Also heard as to why the budget wont go as far as it has in previous years.

If true it's a poor decision.

If untrue it's a nasty rumor.
pilotdude wrote:
What is the "rumor?"
????
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5/25/2014 4:19pm
A lot of you guys always hate on JLaw and talk a bunch of shit but he always contributed to The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center.

Let's see what rider does now.

Even though I don't think it is their place to fully support it.
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5/25/2014 4:21pm
oshow wrote:
A lot of you guys always hate on JLaw and talk a bunch of shit but he always contributed to The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center. Let's...
A lot of you guys always hate on JLaw and talk a bunch of shit but he always contributed to The Asterisk Mobile Medical Center.

Let's see what rider does now.

Even though I don't think it is their place to fully support it.
He also openly got into physical fights, got arrested, and does a ton of dope.

But hey, he donated money to the medical unit, what a saint.

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