"What IF" regarding doping

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I have to agree with Paul on this. Clearly most football, baseball, and basketball players are better athletes and more physically gifts than MX/SX riders. Look...
I have to agree with Paul on this. Clearly most football, baseball, and basketball players are better athletes and more physically gifts than MX/SX riders. Look at the top guys in our sport. The only thing they are big enough to do outside of MX is Jockey a horse. Their all pretty small with the exception of a few and even those guys are not BIG by normal standards.

Speaking of Jockeys and horses. You still getting those wild ones up in your yard Paul? Those were some beautiful animals.
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Sure, football and baseball players are better athletes than motocross racers. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/17/53971/s1200_dmitri_young.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/17/53972/s1200_images.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/17/53973/s1200_460x.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/17/53974/s1200_bj_raji.jpg[/img]
Sure, football and baseball players are better athletes than motocross racers.







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I have no respect for baseball players as athletes but you couldn't be more wrong about football players. Raji is an impressive athlete especially for his...
I have no respect for baseball players as athletes but you couldn't be more wrong about football players. Raji is an impressive athlete especially for his size and he is in excellent shape. I would like to see you play nose tackle and take on multiple offensive lineman while still making plays.
No way that guy gets a hole shot . He's gonna have to work his way through the pack.Pinch
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DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you.
You need to go faster. That my friends is all skill and talent.
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DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you. You need...
DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you.
You need to go faster. That my friends is all skill and talent.
This I do agree with.

It'll obviously help with any sort of athletic difference, but at the end of the day the best guys always have one thing over the rest, pure speed.

RV has been the quickest in his class basically every year, regardless of what anyone wants to talk about his body shape. He whooped when he was 16, he's whoopin now.
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JordanB wrote:
DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you. You need...
DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you.
You need to go faster. That my friends is all skill and talent.
That may be absolutely true, there is no replacement for pure speed, but to say that motocross racers are not athletes is way off base in my opinion. The days of not training are long over in pro motocross.

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hamburglar13 5/17/2014 9:30pm
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In your opinion
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in their sport just like an MX/SX racer does. You can't compete is endurance events and equate it to athleticism. Every athlete trains for their given sport and that's where they earn their championships with raw talent and hard work.
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hamburglar13 wrote:
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in...
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in their sport just like an MX/SX racer does. You can't compete is endurance events and equate it to athleticism. Every athlete trains for their given sport and that's where they earn their championships with raw talent and hard work.
I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the hell I'm going to get home tonight.
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David Izer wrote:
It was a general conversation about the new testing and guidelines in our sport. There was absolutely no finger pointing or innuendo about anyone in particular...
It was a general conversation about the new testing and guidelines in our sport.

There was absolutely no finger pointing or innuendo about anyone in particular by us or our guests. Anything else is outside the parameters of our interviews and reaching for a headline.

We've had a great relationship with all the trainers and riders in our sport since we started over 12 years ago. Please stay focused on the relevant topic and how that pertains to motocross.

Thanks.
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In your opinion
hamburglar13 wrote:
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in...
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in their sport just like an MX/SX racer does. You can't compete is endurance events and equate it to athleticism. Every athlete trains for their given sport and that's where they earn their championships with raw talent and hard work.
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I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore. I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the...
I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the hell I'm going to get home tonight.
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In your opinion
hamburglar13 wrote:
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in...
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in their sport just like an MX/SX racer does. You can't compete is endurance events and equate it to athleticism. Every athlete trains for their given sport and that's where they earn their championships with raw talent and hard work.
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I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore. I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the...
I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the hell I'm going to get home tonight.
So how'd you get home?
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So how'd you get home?
Hahaha, good point! We need some Paul Harvey, "the rest of the story!"
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hamburglar13 wrote:
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in...
Endurance does not equal athletesicm. Who cares how far NFL, NBA, and MLB players can run, bike, kayak, or hula hoop. They train to excel in their sport just like an MX/SX racer does. You can't compete is endurance events and equate it to athleticism. Every athlete trains for their given sport and that's where they earn their championships with raw talent and hard work.
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I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore. I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the...
I never said endurance equals athleticism. Honestly, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

I'm drunk and have better things to worry about, like how the hell I'm going to get home tonight.
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So how'd you get home?
I made it home just fine with a police escort



Just kidding, I took the light rail.
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I made it home just fine with a police escort [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/05/18/54105/s1200_oj_police_chase_100346110_l_zpsd3c2e94e.jpg[/img] Just kidding, I took the light rail.
I made it home just fine with a police escort



Just kidding, I took the light rail.
But, did you ever find your sunglasses? I hate losing my sunglasses!!
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Just got done watching "The Armstrong Lie". Damn that was good.
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visser62 wrote:
Just got done watching "The Armstrong Lie". Damn that was good.
I've heard about that, did you watch it online if you don't mind me asking? Like YouTube maybe? I'm not familiar with it at all except the little I've read on here about it. Thank you in advance
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But, did you ever find your sunglasses? I hate losing my sunglasses!!
Sunglasses are looong gone. Oh, by the way, have you seen my wallet?
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Outsider wrote:
But, did you ever find your sunglasses? I hate losing my sunglasses!!
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Sunglasses are looong gone. Oh, by the way, have you seen my wallet?
So you didn't pay for the light rail?

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oldAFI wrote:
So you didn't pay for the light rail?
They never check...
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visser62 wrote:
Just got done watching "The Armstrong Lie". Damn that was good.
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I've heard about that, did you watch it online if you don't mind me asking? Like YouTube maybe? I'm not familiar with it at all except...
I've heard about that, did you watch it online if you don't mind me asking? Like YouTube maybe? I'm not familiar with it at all except the little I've read on here about it. Thank you in advance
I heard about it in this thread, you can watch it on Youtube if you pay for it, or you can torrent it. Definitely suggest watching it.
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JordanB wrote:
DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you. You need...
DV said it best. If you cant beat RV or James for 3 laps or even 1 lap nothing is going to help you.
You need to go faster. That my friends is all skill and talent.
That is only partially true, how can you not see that?

Sure, talent can't be trained, I agree 100%. But skill? Who has the best chance of knocking 0.5 seconds off his lap time? The guy that is clean and able to ride for 2 hours every second day and recovers adequately, or the guy on PED's who is able to ride 4 hours every day + gym + cardio and is completely rested by the following morning???
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Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much.

Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara?
Dungey?

I could show you girls in the Miss Supercross class of Pro Bikini that look like they do that much.
Most pro moto guys look like training is playing video games.

I know guys who train 2 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week. And they look like it. And work an 8 to 10 hour day job.

Most motocrossers arent trainers.
Training is a lifestyle.
MOTO is a lifestyle.
It rarely intertwines.
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Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much. Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara? Dungey? I...
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much.

Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara?
Dungey?

I could show you girls in the Miss Supercross class of Pro Bikini that look like they do that much.
Most pro moto guys look like training is playing video games.

I know guys who train 2 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week. And they look like it. And work an 8 to 10 hour day job.

Most motocrossers arent trainers.
Training is a lifestyle.
MOTO is a lifestyle.
It rarely intertwines.
Sigh... To keep it civil, I'll just say I disagree with everything you just wrote.
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JordanB wrote:
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much. Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara? Dungey? I...
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much.

Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara?
Dungey?

I could show you girls in the Miss Supercross class of Pro Bikini that look like they do that much.
Most pro moto guys look like training is playing video games.

I know guys who train 2 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week. And they look like it. And work an 8 to 10 hour day job.

Most motocrossers arent trainers.
Training is a lifestyle.
MOTO is a lifestyle.
It rarely intertwines.
May I ask one simple question...what is your definition of an athlete?
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tprice07 wrote:
When they were interviewing Chad Reed were they hinting at Aldon Baker being involved in blood doping? They were saying could motocross/supercross handle a huge scandal...
When they were interviewing Chad Reed were they hinting at Aldon Baker being involved in blood doping? They were saying could motocross/supercross handle a huge scandal and hinting at the record books being drastically changed.

Just curious if anyone else go that impression. I know Aldon has made comments about saying please do drug testing...but I have seen some other arrogant people who were involved in doping make similar comments.....that plus him coming from the cycling world where it is known that they are expected to use it if they want to be competitive.
if RV was doing drugs and took his championships away tht would make davi millsaps a 2 time champion
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Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much. Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara? Dungey? I...
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much.

Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara?
Dungey?

I could show you girls in the Miss Supercross class of Pro Bikini that look like they do that much.
Most pro moto guys look like training is playing video games.

I know guys who train 2 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week. And they look like it. And work an 8 to 10 hour day job.

Most motocrossers arent trainers.
Training is a lifestyle.
MOTO is a lifestyle.
It rarely intertwines.
Very politely I will say you are clueless. Rather dont post.
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May I ask one simple question...what is your definition of an athlete?
Don't ask...
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JordanB wrote:
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much. Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara? Dungey? I...
Show me one motocrosser that even looks like they do that much.

Marty Smith back in the day? RJ at his prime. Ward, Omara?
Dungey?

I could show you girls in the Miss Supercross class of Pro Bikini that look like they do that much.
Most pro moto guys look like training is playing video games.

I know guys who train 2 hours a day, every day, 7 days a week. And they look like it. And work an 8 to 10 hour day job.

Most motocrossers arent trainers.
Training is a lifestyle.
MOTO is a lifestyle.
It rarely intertwines.
Wow.
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hvaughn88 wrote:
May I ask one simple question...what is your definition of an athlete?
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Don't ask...
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visser62 wrote:
Just got done watching "The Armstrong Lie". Damn that was good.
I couldn't find it on YouTube, do you have a link? I found a few others that were good, but I wanna see that one!!!

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