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need to start 80-90's post vintage movement! Just my opinon.
Sorry for babbling and posting a novel
John
John
Club rules are screwy and leave a lot to be desired when trying to make bikes comparable in classes. My flat slide carb was on the 80 CR125 several years before AHRMA was even allowing any post vintage bikes to be considered in their world. And now, a few years later flat slides are legal in that class.
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The 1983 KX Disc omission is a rule that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. In 1983, even with the front disc the KX wasn't the best bike. I hope some day they go ahead and allow it in the Ultima class. Bikes from 1983 should be in the same class together. None had a big advantage over the other. The rule should fly if only the KX is allowed to run the disc me thinks. I think the 1980 KX125 should run in the GP class also. Again, no other bikes should be frankensteined to be uni's though. You're opening up a can of worms with people that don't ride in the "spirit of the sport" if disc and uni's are allowed and that's probably why AHRMA doesn't even want to deal with that headache. Only these bikes should be allowed to run these setups and it's simple in my opinion.
Also, the carb rules are as follows, I still don't think the flat slide Keihin is eligible: "CARBURETORS: Period-type carburetors are strongly encouraged. Period flatslide carbs are allowed on Historic and Gran Prix class motorcycles. Examplesinclude Lake, Lectron, Posa and other period-type flat-slides. Active acceleratorpump-equipped carburetors are allowed only on Ultima-class motorcycles; all others must be disconnected or removed, even if OEM-equipped. Dell’Orto accelerator pump carburetors are allowed in the Historic and Gran Prix classes only if the accelerator pump mechanism is disconnected or removed. Period flat-slide Mikuni carburetors are allowed only on Ultima class motorcycles. Keihin flat-slide carburetors are not permitted. No modern D-shape-slide or similar equivalent carburetors are allowed in AHRMA Post Vintage off-road competition"
The boards / trustee's fit the rules to their agenda, not historically correct facts. Total BS, and one of the main reasons AHRMA Dirt Track races have barely a couple of handfuls of riders at their races these days. Have not supported those stooges since '95.
You want to see how AHRMA polices their rules, here is a good example. Read the thread. I was flabbergasted.
http://vintagebikeracing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2525&sid=00e1fa24291ab…
So I am up against 79ish Japaneses bikes...
Who knew that Husky's dragging its feet to move into the modern age would be a technological advantage.
I agree. Rules should just be by year of bike
I agree, The disc came stock in 83 and in 1983 anyone with 1400.00 could have owned a front disc brake and a funny looking rear fender number plate bike attached to it. I hope 83 yz125 are banned also. They had a power valve. The Kx didn't have one.
I don't care. They can put me in whatever class they wish. Most of the time the 125 class is so small that they all line up at one gate and score separate. I knew who I beat and who beat me. I've tossed countless trophies in the garbage over the years. I honestly don't care if I don't have one to take home. I built my bike for me to ride and enjoy And I'm going to do just that. Me and my disc brake bike. I also built it to be one of the guys on Vital Old School. And you wont nail me to a cross I hope for having a disc on a 83 bike. I hope.
One day I could fit a drum to it if it mattered to me. I probably wont though.
I plan on racing it in a few hare scrambles in the vet class against modern bikes. They won't care if there is a 31 year bike racing against new Ktms.
Why do you bring this point up MXM? Did you find a 82/83 KX?
When I first looked at getting into VMX racing a couple of years ago, I was wanting to race the GP3 class, which is no Disc, when I quit racing I had just got a 1983 CR250 and I really like it except for the left side kick, so when I was looking for a bike to restore and race in GP3, I thought it would be cool to get a 84 CR250 which was very similar to the 83 except they added the front disc and switched the chain to the left and kick to the right. I thought all I would have to do is put a 83 front end on it and I would be good to go, after talking to them I found out I could not make that change and be legal to race that class.
At the local level, I'm sure there was lots of people in 73 &74 still racing 70 -72 bikes, if they wanted to compete with the newer better bikes, they either modified there existing bike or bought a new one. MX racing has never been fair for every one, with the Factory's and after market company's. if you want True fair racing the only way to achieve that is to have a spec class, were everyone races the exact same bike.
I realize that you have to draw some lines in technology to make classes, but at the level of racing that Vintage MX is, I really don't think you should stunt a few years of advancements to make it fair for a bike that is only a couple of years older.
To try to make it fair for every level of bike and racer you end up with a tons of classes with one or two riders in them.
I think they should broaden the classes and not restrict any bike that was produced.
If I was a hard core CZ guy and I wanted to race my 72 CZ in a class that allowed a 74 Maico to race, I would rather have the rules be realistic to how it was back in the day, and allow me to modify my 72 CZ to try to compete with the better newer bike, or get a 74 CZ to compete with the other 74 bikes, but I would not expect my 74 Maico buddy to handicap his bike so that I could compete fairly with him on my older less advanced bike.
But that's how I think.
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Everyone loves the class names but there was some grumbling. The thing is, based on what we get we will be happy to adapt classes in the future. I have a 1979 RM250 and I'll have to ride my butt off with some of the early 80's bikes. As 80's bikes come into their own for VMX we'll add a Rick Johnson Class for late 80's and refine the Bailey Class.
So your 1983 KX is Bailey Class. I think AHRMA does the same thing with the 1980 KX with the first Unitrack. It goes up to Ultima. You can class by year or class by function, we kind of did both. Everyone is willing to give it a go for now and see how it works knowing we can always change it based on how our membership grows.
Mxm, you should have gone to that race. You would have had fun. The jerk promoter never missed your 60.00. It would have been better to go there and poop in the port o john urinal next to his pit. I know you want a 82/83 kx. I will keep my eyes open. This way there can be two of us bitching in the track promoters ears of how we are victims
As a some-time promoter, I must say that you cannot appreciate how many phone calls come in on the days leading up to an event. Some of the worst ones are calls from people the day before an event questioning rules and deadlines. What practical answer were you expecting that dude to give you less than a day before the race?
I'm not excusing anyone acting like a dick, if he did act like that it's unfortunate, but put yourself in his shoes. As Max said above, rule making to make everyone happy has got to be hard.
Most local clubs, as well as AHRMA, are non-profits (*there are a couple paid folks in AHRMA to handle all the paperwork and such). A lot of volunteers that have everyday jobs sign up to keep this vintage world driven. Please be aware if it's a local race your local coordinator is typically not receiving a penny for his efforts and I would be willing to bet they lose money at the end of the day out of their pocket. Most of their time to answer questions are outside their normal job work hours. Be early and be patient with your questions...
Great fuckin bike.
Let's try and keep this a small discussion and leave out society as a whole, though ok?
I get what you are saying and I agree that there are sometime confusing rules when it comes to VMX. Most of those rules are there to cater to as many different riders as possible. Making a rule for your KX could alienate other riders, is it better to cater to one guy with a rule that pisses off four other guys? I don't know, I'm just saying that making a call about those rules the day before the race and expecting a satisfactory answer was unrealistic.
As far as early registration goes, what should have been explained to you is why it is offered in the first place. Any good race organizer will try to streamline registration and sign up as much as possible. The number of riders in each class and which classes they are in is information used to determine race order. The earlier you can set up race order, the easier it is to organize your event schedule. Ideally, the race schedule is set up a couple days in advance and in order to do that, a discount is offered to racers that will sign up early enough to help the race director do that. The day before isn't early enough to help schedule anything, so no discount.
You are right of course, that anyone trying to sell a service or event needs to be pleasant and there is no excuse to be otherwise. You as a customer do absolutely deserve courtesy.
As far as being in his shoes, what's stopping you? All you have to do is form a company, pay for advertising, pay insurance and track rental, pay for your track workers and score keepers, pay your sales taxes and then put all of the left over money in your pocket. It's almost too easy, right?
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