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5/1/2014 2:25pm
I had to read a couple of posts twice.. I can't believe people want the schedule shortened. Racing is one of a couple things I actually watch on TV, why on earth would anybody want less? I realize it is hard on the riders... Seriously though, that is like saying "hun, I only want to have sex twice this week... the weiner is a little tired". I think the schedule is about right IMO. Just enough SX, could use a race or two more outdoors.

My gripe to echo jonjon714.. Beer prices are brutal. I don't want to get drunk at a race, but I would like two beers, that is a bitch though with the way prices are going on
5/1/2014 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 3:05pm
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Supercross should run 53 rounds. #supercrossonly
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5/1/2014 3:06pm
All main events should be by time, not laps.

I also like the idea of a shorter schedule. Do you know how much more costly mistakes would be if you had 5 less races to make up for them? I think it would perhaps make the championships more intense, and the battles at each individual race be more meaningful. I know, less races would make a lot of people unhappy. But the most exciting racing we ever see is during short series (Lites, Monster Energy Cup, etc.). When it's dragged out over 17 weekends, the top always rise to the top. If it's short, it makes it less predictable, which is better.
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5/1/2014 3:20pm
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OVER GROOMING - Best motorcycles EVER, fittest riders EVER, and MX Sports and the AMA keep overly grooming the race tracks. TIMED PRACTICE - The only...
OVER GROOMING - Best motorcycles EVER, fittest riders EVER, and MX Sports and the AMA keep overly grooming the race tracks.

TIMED PRACTICE - The only thing more stupid than over grooming. It forces the riders to ride the fast line during practice, thus insuring a one-lined racetrack. They used to place haybales on the insides, or in the good line during practice, to create more lines. Motocross is about racing, not just who can do one lap fast. I would like to see a return to Sunday qualifiers for the Nationals.

DOUBLE DISPLACEMENT RULE - enough said
I agree, shit can the timed practice and race your way into the moto's...EVERYONE! top 10 being seated is BS when they are already on the best bikes. Keep it fair and let everyone burn the same energy throughout the day.
Have a dozer ready in case a section gets shitty and guys are wadding, but let it develop into a multi-line, rough track. Moto is about line choice and picking the best ones.
I'm a little old school, but I always loved out thinking another guy through line choice to make passes, it's way more rewarding than having to jam someone.

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I'm over the wanting it to go mainstream bs. It doesn't do me or you one bit of good for the "sport to grow". All it's going to do is make Feld richer & the price of everything to go up. They aren't gonna just start handing out more money to all the poor privateers or make bigger payouts. Feld is already a Fortune 500 company correct? They've got the cash to pay these guys more now, they just choose not to. We have live TV & I'm good with that. A
lot of the races pack out & I'm good with that to. I like my nitch sport & it's still cool. I see what mainstream did to the UFC. It's just watered down & not as cool as it once was. I think it's because of the douche fan base it brought out of the wood work & sadly SX events are starting to get like that to!!

Flame on.....IMHO...
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5/1/2014 3:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 3:56pm
bryan wrote:
I think Nascar is an exception to all good common sense and probably isn't the best model to base things off, because I don't think it's...
I think Nascar is an exception to all good common sense and probably isn't the best model to base things off, because I don't think it's reproducible.

As for what's wrong... MX is perfect, but If I'm not mistaken, I think SX was invented to bring MX to the masses. If the goal is to make it more appealing to everyone, I actually think it needs to be "pussified" some more.

I always kind of dug the head-to-head races at the McGrath Open. It's easy for everyone (chicks) to follow when it's only two laps and there's a clear battle going on. It felt more similar to stick-and-ball sports. Imagine if football plays lasted 20 minutes and there were 10 footballs, because that's how SX is now.
Great point. Outdoors mx shouldn't change for the most part.

SX was designed as a different sport. It should be developed and changed as such. Nascar is not afraid of change and SX shouldn't be either. Try some different things. They are just too afraid to change. Nothing wrong with evolving the sport a little bit. Things can always stay the same at a local level. For the most part mx will always be mx but you can switch up SX a little bit.

For one I get so damn tired of the same track design at every SX race. It's so boring to watch. Only thing different is the damn dirt but it's always the same rhythm sections with off on and a few different lines through the rhythm. I just want to see some different and unique track designs.
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I'm over the wanting it to go mainstream bs. It doesn't do me or you one bit of good for the "sport to grow". All it's...
I'm over the wanting it to go mainstream bs. It doesn't do me or you one bit of good for the "sport to grow". All it's going to do is make Feld richer & the price of everything to go up. They aren't gonna just start handing out more money to all the poor privateers or make bigger payouts. Feld is already a Fortune 500 company correct? They've got the cash to pay these guys more now, they just choose not to. We have live TV & I'm good with that. A
lot of the races pack out & I'm good with that to. I like my nitch sport & it's still cool. I see what mainstream did to the UFC. It's just watered down & not as cool as it once was. I think it's because of the douche fan base it brought out of the wood work & sadly SX events are starting to get like that to!!

Flame on.....IMHO...
Not true. UFC is bigger than ever and same with Nascar. You have to evolve.
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5/1/2014 4:24pm
More purse money from 5th down to everyone who makes the night program, especially in the 250s. Help sustain the privateers to keep the gates full and the show good, not to mention the $$ to help them better campaign!

I've also always liked the idea of an extra championshipo point or two for a heat race win.
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People always think the original sport of anything was better and was better before it got well known or a huge fan base. They feel attached to it like it was special back then. They don't like it that there are more fans now because it takes away the special feeling they had with it.

It's dangerous to hold on to old feelings like that. Be glad the sport is growing and there are more fans even if there not hardcore fans or been watching there whole lives.

You have to evolve and try new things for the benefit of the riders and the fans. I am not sure what the answer is and SX has come a pretty long way to being more professional but it still has some work to do to be taken seriously in the sports world.
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5/1/2014 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 4:45pm
Also, remember SX is way different than MX. It's more important in SX to have a nice groomed track than in outdoors. They are 2 different animals and elements. I am a huge believer in a nice groomed track at all times in SX. It's very risky with huge jumps and the track is designed to be ridden in it's best form.

Outdoors is a different animal and while there are similarities obviously they are 2 different beasts. SX is finesse , timing and risk where outdoors is speed, man and the track-it's the heart of our sport. They are both great but different.
5/1/2014 4:50pm
No timed practice. Random draw for gate pick.

1 championship point for leading a lap

1 championship point for leading the most laps

These would make for good racing and less predictable overall series results. Imagine two points leaders pinning it to the finish line to lead the first lap and pick up a critical point late in the season.
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Pretty sure that whoever is driving this bus bus couldn't give two sh:t$ about what we all think needs fixing. Thus, it's getting tiring hearing the same old complaints. The thing is, all these ideas are good so they keep coming up.

Slow the bikes down no matter how many strokes they have. Bring back the 125 class. Stop the damn grooming. Get rid of the stupid timed qualifying. Stop trying to be like Nascar............etc....

I think we vital members represent a core group of Moto fans, varied in skill, experience, and age. Why would anyone listen to us?
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5/1/2014 5:14pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 5:15pm
One cool thing is though is that the riders, team managers, etc. will evolve the sport. They are involved in it every single day and they are at the actual events. Honestly, they probably know better than us fans. The up an coming riders bring new challenges for the track builders as they bring more skill every generation of riders. I don't expect the bikes to get much faster than they already are. The 4 strokes seem to fit the sport pretty well so far. If they didn't riders would not be riding them.

I sit back and go I think it's all pretty good. Sure we have suggestions but it's really up to the people involved in the daily grind that will be able to make the best decisions. There are so many factors we don't think of. We just think of it from a fan perspective but it's still fun to chime in and make observations and suggestions.
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5/1/2014 5:34pm
bryan wrote:
I think Nascar is an exception to all good common sense and probably isn't the best model to base things off, because I don't think it's...
I think Nascar is an exception to all good common sense and probably isn't the best model to base things off, because I don't think it's reproducible.

As for what's wrong... MX is perfect, but If I'm not mistaken, I think SX was invented to bring MX to the masses. If the goal is to make it more appealing to everyone, I actually think it needs to be "pussified" some more.

I always kind of dug the head-to-head races at the McGrath Open. It's easy for everyone (chicks) to follow when it's only two laps and there's a clear battle going on. It felt more similar to stick-and-ball sports. Imagine if football plays lasted 20 minutes and there were 10 footballs, because that's how SX is now.
If it's the head to head racing your after then the Red Bull Straight Rhythm: Evolution of Supercross will be your cup of tea.

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5/1/2014 5:35pm
I don't have enough time right now, when I get home from work I'm gonna spew on this thread! haha...
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1. Jerry Bernardo left. That guy was entertaining.
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so called fan s, who bad mouth ever rider ,they dont support , if a rider has a couple of bad race s, so called fans saying there done , i am a fan of the sport i love motocross / sx , and anyone who has every lined up for a mx national or sx even if the finsh 21st deserve alot of respect , its something i can only wish i could do , and really pisses me off when fantards , come on here , and only support the rider thats winning at the moment , min the rider starts losing they say there done and support the new top guy , it would be better if these people were nt in our sport IMO , but i guess there in every sport ,
5/1/2014 6:07pm
I'd like to see:

Points for passing.
Loss of points for getting passed.
Points for any lap led.
Points for sweeping (Holeshot, lead every lap, Win)
-1 point for causing a caution

I'd also like to see factory Teams and support teams acquiring numbers, if you leave the team and get on another team you use the number that the team has on a specific bike. All privateers use 3 digits. Would help fans that don't actually race identify with riders because even I scratch my head every new year when the gate drops on whose who.
5/1/2014 7:17pm
Their unwillingness to try new things (and old things) is what's wrong with SX. People LOVED the wall berm from St. Louis '09 and it's brought up constantly. Build a fucking nother one! Why not? Rebuild that exact track, or even - gasp - a replica track every round! Why not? Save money by not having a track designer, since nobody likes new tracks anyway.

The racing format and points system aren't broken, but try stuff anyway. Like Matthes says, do something, and something might stick.

Oh, speaking of Matthes-- No overs-under this year is another problem.
5/1/2014 7:17pm
I say it all the time: Two mains per round would be frickin sweet. 15 laps + 15 laps, with a few minutes between motos to make adjustments and swap broken things (including motors). A guy who fucked up his start in moto 1 might nail it moto 2 and vice versa. Neato! (Still 25 max points per round.)

Except the second moto they run the track backwards! Naw, I'm just playing. Or am I?
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5/1/2014 8:50pm
A decent purse
Drug testing for peds
A riders union
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5/1/2014 10:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/1/2014 10:11pm
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5/2/2014 12:43am
TripleFive wrote:
The length of the mains should be based on time, not laps.
Definitely TripleFive.

I am so pumped they brought back the semis AND both classes have 22 rider fields.
5/2/2014 5:04am Edited Date/Time 5/2/2014 5:05am
no trans- am races! It would be great if they could do at leas a 2 or 3 round series where we get to see the best from either side of the pond go head to head

No 125 class- stupid idea getting rid of the 125 class at national/ world championship level!
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5/2/2014 5:34am
I think a more interesting topic would be...what do the people in the mx/sx industry think of the vitards....bahaha
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5/2/2014 5:40am
Flip109 wrote:
I think a more interesting topic would be...what do the people in the mx/sx industry think of the vitards....bahaha
592 posts buddy. You're part of the Vitardness
5/2/2014 5:45am
The divide between SX and MX will continue to grow wider. When SX begins to sputter because of the lack of outside money being injected, Feld will step in and "save" their cash cow by buying interest in all the teams and riders. Withdrawal of energy drink sponsors will be the catalyst.

The end-state will be something similar to Monster Jam, also a Feld entity. Meaning, the racing will still be racing, but Feld will own all the teams and all the rider's base salaries. The riders will be free to pursue outside personal sponsors as before, but all teams/bikes/riders will be "Feld employees", at least from January to May.

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