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Juss 3/25/2014 4:50pm
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Crush wrote:
After watching that race I'd never have thought James' best was only marginally better than the next best time. Visually it looked way different. Consistency and...
After watching that race I'd never have thought James' best was only marginally better than the next best time. Visually it looked way different.

Consistency and when those fast laps in the race is the thing tho....
RandyS wrote:
James has always been perceived as unbelievably faster when in reality many times it was almost nothing or he was even slower. He just looks faster...
James has always been perceived as unbelievably faster when in reality many times it was almost nothing or he was even slower. He just looks faster, if he wins he got the job done, you only have to win by .001 seconds. But when you point out facts the rabid Stewart fans come out of the woodwork. James Stewart is one of the best Supercrossers ever, not the best ever, one of the best ever. So is Reed, so is RC, Johnson, .......I think MC will always be thought of as the King because he made the biggest advancement in the sport to date.
It was awesome to see Reed win again after he was wrote of etc...But no way was it a BETTER ride. I love a come back story, just as much as the last guy. But facts are facts, Reeds win was just not as dominant.
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Juss 3/25/2014 4:52pm
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Its not about the lap times. Its about the ride. Why did it take Reed till like lap 18 to get the lead, from a way...
Its not about the lap times. Its about the ride. Why did it take Reed till like lap 18 to get the lead, from a way better start? Stewart did it further back in less laps. I understand your not a big fan of Stewart, but come on man how could you even try and compare the 2 races? Lord blinders!
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I will say I've seen Reed win a bunch of races like that. He bides his time and waits till it's go time, then steps it...
I will say I've seen Reed win a bunch of races like that. He bides his time and waits till it's go time, then steps it up.
I agree,makes me think of the Daytona race when he ran RC down.
StephanieMitchell789 3/25/2014 4:53pm
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Stewart and barcia were even on the rest of the track.

I dunno about that. I was sitting directly across from you, in the whoops section, and JS7 cruised around a few riders there as well, and even switched lines entering the whoops and still managed to pass Barcia there. And I don't think Barcia was triple-tripling the split section of track (I think he was 2-3-1).

Anyway, I don't think JS7's domination was as much about the lap times as it was how quickly he passed the top riders after he caught them. He didn't have to follow them around for 3 laps. Zzzzzzip, he was just by them like he was passing lappers.
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I agree,makes me think of the Daytona race when he ran RC down.
mmmm? 05? Reed led that one wire to wire.

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It's funny how all of these amazing rides from other riders come up, but there isn't much proof of them. Sure, Reed had great rides as did RC, but you would be hard pressed to find someone that has started in 15th and made the pass for first on lap 15, without one of the front runners going down. Not to mention the track was a difficult track.

It's apparent that some don't want to give James the credit that he earned for that ride. Just the fact that we are still talking about it should tell you how spectacular it was.


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SEE ARE125 3/25/2014 5:13pm
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Let's not forget Barcia was leading on lap 6, and Stewart was buried in the pack on lap 6 when they both set their fastest times.
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nytsmaC wrote:
Barcia turned just as fast of a lap time as Stewart, both of their bests were on lap 6. How did that happen? He rode great...
Barcia turned just as fast of a lap time as Stewart, both of their bests were on lap 6. How did that happen? He rode great, but on TV it looked like like nobody was even close.
I thought that too. But I watched the race again and although he was in 14th, he wasn't crazy far behind in terms of track position. Normally passing 13 people would be hard no matter how much ground you make up, but if anyone cann pass without taking long.....
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SEE ARE125 wrote:
Let's not forget Barcia was leading on lap 6, and Stewart was buried in the pack on lap 6 when they both set their fastest times.
Stewart was in 5th place on lap 6.
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Lap times per lap in plain text for those interested

Lap 2
RV1 53.746
RD5 52.150
JS7 52.834
JB51 51.453
KR94 51.293
JB10 52.584

Lap 3
KR94 51.178
JB51 51.286
RD5 51.306
JB10 51.341
JS7 52.568
RV1 52.962

Lap 4
JS7 51.717
JB51 51.738
JB10 52.123
RD5 52.216
KR94 53.409
RV1 53.764

Lap 5
JB51 51.059
KR94 51.178
JS7 51.399
RD5 51.590
JB10 52.011
RV1 54.204

Lap 6
JS7 50.913
JB51 50.946
KR94 51.511
RD5 51.747
JB10 52.070
RV1 52.474

Lap 7
RD5 51.655
KR94 51.603
JS7 51.773
JB51 51.830
RV1 53.060
JB10 53.609

Lap 8
JS7 51.266
RD5 52.142
KR94 52.401
JB51 52.774
RV1 52.866
JB10 53.434

Lap 9
JS7 51.124
JB51 51.537
RD5 51.824
KR94 52.011
JB10 52.649
RV1 53.348

Lap 10
RV1 53.514
RD5 51.828
JS7 52.247
JB10 52.287
JB51 52.160
KR94 52.455

Lap 11
JS7 51.331
JB10 52.577
RD5 52.824
KR94 52.839
JB51 52.877
RV1 53.584

Lap 12
JS7 52.070
JB10 52.601
JB51 52.910
KR94 53.632
RD5 53.658
RV1 54.229

Lap 13
JS7 52.025
RD5 52.616
JB10 52.775
JB51 54.070
RV1 54.525
KR94 54.562

Lap 14
JS7 51.730
JB51 52.543
JB10 53.618
KR94 53.618
RD5 53.643
RV1 54.066

Lap 15
JB10 53.369
JS7 53.565
RV1 53.666
RD5 54.331
KR94 55.554
JB51 55.569


Lap 16
JS7 52.473
JB10 52.792
RD5 52.943
JB51 53.135
RV1 53.735
KR94 56.211

Lap 17
JS7 52.081
RV1 52.483
RD5 52.856
JB51 52.895
JB10 53.896
KR94 55.643

Lap 18
JS7 52.730
JB51 53.331
RD5 53.341
JB10 54.147
RV1 54.297
KR94 56.364

Lap 19
JS7 54.108
JB51 54.278
RD5 54.415
RV1 54.498
JB10 54.989
KR94 55.872

Lap 20
RV1 55.474
RD5 56.004
JB51 56.012
JS7 56.019
JB10 56.673
KR94 57.510
StartedTooLate 3/25/2014 5:43pm
3/25/2014 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 3/25/2014 5:45pm
Science! OK....statistics. If we are going to compare "numbers"...then do it right.

You can not just look at fastest laps...look at average and more importantly, std deviation. Std dev gives you an idea how consistent the rider was riding.

JS7 Ave = 52.31s
JS7 Std Dev = 1.21s

JB51 Ave = 52.76s
JB51 Std Dev = 1.43s

RD5 Ave = 52.79s
RD5 Std Dev = 1.21s

Consistency:
Barica made one pass from lap 2 to lap 20. RD made two. Stew made 11. While making 11 passes...Stew had a Std deviation in lap times 0.2s lower than Barcia, and the same as RD. So that gives you an idea that Stew was going faster than everyone else, while not riding too close to his own limit. He was just as consistent passing 11 guys...as RD5 was mostly riding alone.

Speed:
Stews fastest lap was not out there, because he was riding consistent. If he had started side by side Barcia...and ran the same speed he ran while passing 11 guys....he would have ended up 8.55 clear of Barcia. But of course...he could have gone a bit faster if he did not have to pass people...so perhaps 10s clear....

Fast Laps:
On lap 6, Stew was passing WP40...and that is when he set his fast lap. It did not look like WP slowed him down...so perhaps JB wins the 'fast lap battle'...but JB was inconsistent. He completely blew the long rythm section a bunch of times. He could hardly even get off the 1st step off clean. Setting fast lap does not do you much good if you are so close to your skill limit that one lap you do it...then the next you completely blow the timing and lose 1s.

Also...look at lap times later in the race when it was a Stew / JB battle straight up. JS passed RD on lap 12.

Crunch time Toronto...JS vs JB
Lap 13 JS faster by 2.05
Lap 14 JS faster by 0.81
Lap 15 JS faster by 2.01
Lap 16 JS faster by 0.66
Lap 18 JS faster by 0.81
Lap 19 JS faster by 0.60
Lap 20 JS slower by .01

Here is Reed vs Stew at the end of A2...

Crunch time A2 CR vs JS
Lap 15 CR faster by 0.59
Lap 16 CR slower by 0.28
Lap 18 CR faster by 1.02
Lap 19 CR faster by 2.47
Lap 20 CR faster by .23
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Crush 3/25/2014 6:03pm
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CaptainRon126 wrote:
Saturday was oddly reminiscent of Indy 07...19th to 1st in 15 laps. Legend status.

https://youtu.be/eqbRjATceqI
That race made me cry!

Two jump sections and balls out through the whoop section.

That triple over the on off and the goddamn rhythm section... Which I bet Reed could have done if he was more comfortable!

Cry cry cry... hahaha
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I don't follow your point here StartedTooLate. I wasn't trying to "do it right" or avoid proper statistics, I was just showing the lap times per lap in order in plain text instead of on a graph. Statistician speak gives me wood though, so thanks for that.
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One thing you have to remember is that the video is of James in his prime. He will be 29 this year. He's on the down side and he caught and passed the fastest SX riders in the world like they were standing still. That makes the ride even that much more amazing.


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It's impossible to prove something to someone who is convinced their guy to be the most incredible ever. P just asked me to prove that other riders in the history of Supercross have had amazing rides. I'm not sure where I even go with that so I won't.
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S.Loyer wrote:
These graphs are a good indicator

http://www.motoxaddicts.com/2014/03/24/main-event-lap-time-graphs-2014-toronto-sx/
DanDunes818 wrote:
When we did the graphs, and seeing how much smoother JS7 was over Barcia, I was surprised Barcia's fastest lap was so close to James'. Justin...
When we did the graphs, and seeing how much smoother JS7 was over Barcia, I was surprised Barcia's fastest lap was so close to James'. Justin must of been killing it everywhere else other than the two rhythm sections. Overall, though, James' average lap-time was almost a 1/2 sec faster than Barcia.
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Barcia kept screwing up the long rhythm lane. Very inconsistent.
Hey bro, you're all twisted up.

Kept screwing up the long rhythm lane?

That's consistency!!!
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Holy shit. Stewart sucks. He can`t even dominate properly.
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I did some analysis after the race since there was no timing and scoring on the TV feed. I wanted to see how far back James was, and how he had to ride to catch up to and pass Barcia. I had to work backwards, but Stewart was farthest off Barcia on Lap 5, and was 11.4 seconds faster than Barcia over laps 6-20. Of course Roczen was the leader for the first 3 laps. This would look better in tabular format, but I couldn't get the spacing to stay.



Lap 1
#7: -
#51: -
Diff: -
Gap: -5.178
Gap To Leader:-6.049

Lap 2
#7: 52.834
#51: 51.453
Diff: -1.381
Gap: -6.559
Gap To Leader:-7.59

Lap 3
#7: 52.568
#51: 51.286
Diff: -1.282
Gap: -7.841
Gap To Leader:-8.698

Lap 4
#7: 51.717
#51: 51.738
Diff: 0.021
Gap: -7.82

Lap 5
#7: 51.399
#51: 51.059
Diff: -0.34
Gap: -8.16

Lap 6
#7: 50.913
#51: 50.946
Diff: 0.033
Gap: -8.127

Lap 7
#7: 51.773
#51: 51.83
Diff: 0.057
Gap: -8.07

Lap 8
#7: 51.266
#51: 52.774
Diff: 1.508
Gap: -6.562

Lap 9
#7: 51.124
#51: 51.537
Diff: 0.413
Gap: -6.149

Lap 10
#7: 52.247
#51: 52.16
Diff: -0.087
Gap: -6.236

Lap 11
#7: 51.331
#51: 52.877
Diff: 1.546
Gap: -4.69

Lap 12
#7: 52.07
#51: 52.91
Diff: 0.84
Gap: -3.85

Lap 13
#7: 52.025
#51: 54.07
Diff: 2.045
Gap: -1.805

Lap 14
#7: 51.73
#51: 52.543
Diff: 0.813
Gap: -0.992

Lap 15
#7: 53.563
#51: 55.569
Diff: 2.006
Gap: 1.014

Lap 16
#7: 52.473
#51: 53.135
Diff: 0.662
Gap: 1.676

Lap 17
#7: 52.081
#51: 52.895
Diff: 0.814
Gap: 2.49

Lap 18
#7: 52.73
#51: 53.331
Diff: 0.601
Gap: 3.091

Lap 19
#7: 54.108
#51: 54.278
Diff: 0.17
Gap: 3.261

Lap 20
#7: 56.019
#51: 56.012
Diff: -0.007
Gap: 3.254

Difference (lap 6-20)
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Park Boys 3/25/2014 7:37pm
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RandyS wrote:
James has always been perceived as unbelievably faster when in reality many times it was almost nothing or he was even slower. He just looks faster...
James has always been perceived as unbelievably faster when in reality many times it was almost nothing or he was even slower. He just looks faster, if he wins he got the job done, you only have to win by .001 seconds. But when you point out facts the rabid Stewart fans come out of the woodwork. James Stewart is one of the best Supercrossers ever, not the best ever, one of the best ever. So is Reed, so is RC, Johnson, .......I think MC will always be thought of as the King because he made the biggest advancement in the sport to date.
For a good 7 years he was more often than not the fastest guy by a comfortable margin - individual lap time wise.
http://archives.amasupercross.com/
DanDunes818 3/25/2014 7:39pm
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Just check out the Main Event Lap Time Graphs and it shows you everything you need to know. Also, if you click out everyone else, you can just run JS7 vs Barcia one-on-one.

Here's a screen shot, but if you go to post you can run cursor over lives to view times.

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DanDunes818 wrote:
Just check out the [url=http://www.motoxaddicts.com/2014/03/24/main-event-lap-time-graphs-2014-toronto-sx/]Main Event Lap Time Graphs[/url] and it shows you everything you need to know. Also, if you click out everyone else, you...
Just check out the Main Event Lap Time Graphs and it shows you everything you need to know. Also, if you click out everyone else, you can just run JS7 vs Barcia one-on-one.

Here's a screen shot, but if you go to post you can run cursor over lives to view times.

That is pretty cool. I didn`t know you can simply unclick a rider and compare just two of them. Good job.
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CaptainRon126 wrote:
Saturday was oddly reminiscent of Indy 07...19th to 1st in 15 laps. Legend status.

https://youtu.be/eqbRjATceqI
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!!

They had it right back in the day.

This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity stunt.

-Was just a normal triple after the whoops back then, how did it morph to a quad now a days?? see the fuck
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Socket946 3/25/2014 8:11pm
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Feld has asked for a lot more "sensationalism" and drama these days.

They also forbid the announcers from using nicknames of the riders.
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Motodave15 wrote:
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!! They had it right back in the day. This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity...
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!!

They had it right back in the day.

This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity stunt.

-Was just a normal triple after the whoops back then, how did it morph to a quad now a days?? see the fuck
Woah.

Angry! haha
StartedTooLate 3/25/2014 8:48pm
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I don't follow your point here StartedTooLate. I wasn't trying to "do it right" or avoid proper statistics, I was just showing the lap times per...
I don't follow your point here StartedTooLate. I wasn't trying to "do it right" or avoid proper statistics, I was just showing the lap times per lap in order in plain text instead of on a graph. Statistician speak gives me wood though, so thanks for that.
No point really.... I figured if we were going to delve into numbers...we might as well go overboard...
StartedTooLate 3/25/2014 8:49pm
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CaptainRon126 wrote:
Saturday was oddly reminiscent of Indy 07...19th to 1st in 15 laps. Legend status.

https://youtu.be/eqbRjATceqI
Motodave15 wrote:
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!! They had it right back in the day. This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity...
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!!

They had it right back in the day.

This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity stunt.

-Was just a normal triple after the whoops back then, how did it morph to a quad now a days?? see the fuck
I think the 30s board girls were better in 2007....
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Great ride but rc, mc, and the rest of the greats never would consider their best ride to be when their main competiton was fighting back vomit or being injured. Rv was about 1.4 secs faster than the next fastest at daytona. That was dominant as well but i guess lil redheads cant get stewy love. I really like james and have since i realized it wasnt fair to not root for a class guy and great racer bc of fanboys with a mancrush being annoying. Rc at millville was imho a more dominant ride. Great ride by js7 but a lil over gushing going on here.
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The only way for RC to have been more dominant at Millville, he would have had to lap himself.
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CaptainRon126 wrote:
Saturday was oddly reminiscent of Indy 07...19th to 1st in 15 laps. Legend status.

https://youtu.be/eqbRjATceqI
Motodave15 wrote:
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!! They had it right back in the day. This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity...
THEY DIDNT CALL IT A FUCKING QUAD!!!

They had it right back in the day.

This prove's the oh "Look at the quad" is a publicity stunt.

-Was just a normal triple after the whoops back then, how did it morph to a quad now a days?? see the fuck
I've been saying this since this season started as well! This is the first year in which they have called it that......and moron after moron has come in here and told me I was nuts!

Where the fuck are those guys at now?
StartedTooLate 3/25/2014 9:42pm
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I've been saying this since this season started as well! This is the first year in which they have called it that......and moron after moron has...
I've been saying this since this season started as well! This is the first year in which they have called it that......and moron after moron has come in here and told me I was nuts!

Where the fuck are those guys at now?
It is all FELD and the TV producers. They are the ones talking in the ear of Emig, RC and KDub, telling them to say this stupid shit...and create buzz... It is comical.

The stupid "is Stewart one of the greatest" poll for instance....KDub talked to Matthes about that Sat Morning. The way KDub told Matthes...was "you are not going to believe the stupid poll they are making us do". He was almost disgusted with it. Same deal two races ago...Emig was all high on KRoc...claiming he would win 4 more races. Please... That was not Emig...that was the producers telling him to say that. It is all an attempt to create drama and buzz where there is none.

Dont forget FELDs background. They are circus promoters....

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