AC Shoulder situation?

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Edited Date/Time 3/25/2014 6:23pm
If Ciancirulo would have been able to finish the 250 main would he have been disqualified? Did the medics popping his shoulder back in place during the race count as outside assistance?

I know riders have been DQ'd because a mechanic restarted their bike during a moto but how does medical assistance factor in to the outside assistance rule?
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3/24/2014 7:27pm
was he within the mechanics area?
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They were right next to the finish line tower structure when they popped it in and not in the mechanics area.
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What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
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Man I hope AC doesn't have an issue with the shoulder dislocating. When my son was 10, he had a practice crash and 4 years latter it pops out from time to time. he quit racing (forced retirement from his dad) after that as I was concerned it would dislocated landing a jump or going through a whoop section. Swimming, basketball etc. it has been getting less frequent . The MRI and xrays showed no tears, just a loosened joint. I saw it twice and when they popped it back in, it looked like my son all over. Ouch. The good news for him, he probably had more muscle mass then a 10 year old and that should help stabilize it. I wish him well as he is a force already.

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I know nothing about Cianciarulo's dislocation, but having gone through it myself, it seems that his reduction was too easy.

Doc Bodnar seemed to pop it right back in less than 10 seconds. I have to think he is going to need surgery to keep his shoulder back in, and even at his age and great condition, its probably going to take a while to recover.

but what do I know...
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Brent wrote:
I know nothing about Cianciarulo's dislocation, but having gone through it myself, it seems that his reduction was too easy. Doc Bodnar seemed to pop it...
I know nothing about Cianciarulo's dislocation, but having gone through it myself, it seems that his reduction was too easy.

Doc Bodnar seemed to pop it right back in less than 10 seconds. I have to think he is going to need surgery to keep his shoulder back in, and even at his age and great condition, its probably going to take a while to recover.

but what do I know...
I'm not familiar with the process but it looked like it went in pretty easy
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What's up with him exactly? I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it...
What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
Yea he fell on his right in practice and they "popped" the left one back in....
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What's up with him exactly? I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it...
What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
bangmyhead wrote:
Yea he fell on his right in practice and they "popped" the left one back in....
Emig said during the race, when they popped it back in, it was his left that popped out in practice also.
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What's up with him exactly? I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it...
What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
bangmyhead wrote:
Yea he fell on his right in practice and they "popped" the left one back in....
Juss wrote:
Emig said during the race, when they popped it back in, it was his left that popped out in practice also.
Correct, same shoulder twice...
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IMHO.....if he is going to have any kind of a career....if its damaged.....he needs t get it fixed correctly and fully healed.
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What's up with him exactly? I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it...
What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
Same side...left.
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Glad to find out it wasn't both. Either way sucks for the dude, we was killing it...
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What's up with him exactly? I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it...
What's up with him exactly?

I mean didn't he pop one shoulder out in practice, and a different one out during the race? Or was it both the same side?

Is he gonna be good to go or do you gotta fix this stuff?
With mine, I tore my labrum, which is the socket that holds the ball in place. When the socket is torn the ball pops in and out easily. That why I said it looked too easy for the doc to pop it back in, for me it took an hour, 3 people,and a shitload of painkillers.

After it happens once if it is not repaired, it comes out and goes back in easier.

I wonder if Adam had a dislocation in the past, because my first and only one made me fall over in pain, I couldn't imagine popping it back in and riding off to re join a race.

Either way hopefully he gets well soon, he has plenty of time to collect championships.
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Oh because I saw him land on his right side I was assuming that was the injured one. So I don't know if any media guys have heard if his popped out in the whoops and thats what led to the crash? Or when he got to "huck a buckin" in the whoops that's what yanked it out?

Scary thought either way. Man it takes some BALLS to hit those whoops. I couldn't imagine having to do it knowing your shoulder could pop out at any second....
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I have had over 20 dislocations.....they suck bad. In one crash I dislocated both and fractured my humerous......I have had repairs to the right because it was so streched out and torn up. The left they just had me do a ton of theropy for.....now at 40 years old they both suck and hurt everyday. I have even had one slide out of joint while unloading my bike.

I hope that he either gets fixed or it is not bad, could start a bad trend for him
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dl117 wrote:
I have had over 20 dislocations.....they suck bad. In one crash I dislocated both and fractured my humerous......I have had repairs to the right because it...
I have had over 20 dislocations.....they suck bad. In one crash I dislocated both and fractured my humerous......I have had repairs to the right because it was so streched out and torn up. The left they just had me do a ton of theropy for.....now at 40 years old they both suck and hurt everyday. I have even had one slide out of joint while unloading my bike.

I hope that he either gets fixed or it is not bad, could start a bad trend for him
Ouch. That was my concern that my son's would pop out on his bike and crash real bad. It doesn't take long for him to pop it back into place. Painful but he also has "loose joints" according to the Ortho.
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So does anyone have any thoughts on the original question? When I was watching the race the first thing I thought was did he just recieve outside assistance. Windham even said "is it legal" but they did not discuss it further. Since he DNF'd it became a moot point.

https://youtu.be/fyzzpYN1Euo
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IMO get it fixed now, plenty of career left...
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3/25/2014 8:40am Edited Date/Time 3/25/2014 8:41am
DownSouth wrote:
So does anyone have any thoughts on the original question? When I was watching the race the first thing I thought was did he just recieve...
So does anyone have any thoughts on the original question? When I was watching the race the first thing I thought was did he just recieve outside assistance. Windham even said "is it legal" but they did not discuss it further. Since he DNF'd it became a moot point.

https://youtu.be/fyzzpYN1Euo
Outside assistance is with the bike - not getting your damn shoulder popped into place.
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I popped one out backwards roadracing back around '94. It took a lot of drugs, a lot of large men, and a lot of time to get it back in. After about an hour of it being out the pain was unbelievable. I also broke that side Scapula into 3 pieces.

The Doctors told me that being a dislocation that went backwards that I was stretched severely and would have many problems with the shoulder for the rest of my life. Within days I began to exercise it the best I could. Just applying resistance up, down and side to side. I also tried to keep it facing forward instead of having my arm resting in front of me. It was very painful for about 8 weeks.

Since then however I have broken that same side clavicle 2x, and landed on my shoulders more times than I could ever count. I tuck and roll when I crash and my shoulders take the brunt of it. Mountain Biking, MX, and roadracing crashes plus working out, swimming etc... I have never had any problems what-so-ever with it. I have full motion and it doesn't come out.

I think that if I had followed the Doctor's advice and left it in that sling that I wouldn't have been so lucky.

My suggestion would be to anyone w/ this injury to begin exercising it within 1-3 days of the dislocation and to be consistent. And to keep it out of a sling.
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Tim507 wrote:
IMHO.....if he is going to have any kind of a career....if its damaged.....he needs t get it fixed correctly and fully healed.
Everyone is saying "get it fixed" as if Docs can fix anything. Are you aware that Adam had surgery in Oct 2012 for this?
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Tim507 wrote:
IMHO.....if he is going to have any kind of a career....if its damaged.....he needs t get it fixed correctly and fully healed.
Everyone is saying "get it fixed" as if Docs can fix anything. Are you aware that Adam had surgery in Oct 2012 for this?
Well, it is MX it can be torn again.
My son had left one fixed 2010, and again in 2011. Either the first was a bad repair or the labrum tore again. I can say the second time I took my son to a shoulder specialist. I felt better, and he seemed to have a better approach and a serious therapy program. I had the same surgeon repair his right shoulder when it tore in 2013. Yes what a rough patch, but 2012 was great.
The same Dr is fixing my shoulder next month from an AC separation 10 years ago that I never fixed.
I recommend Dr. Richard Jones at Southeastern Sports Medicine

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