Could Pro Circuit build a complete new bike?

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OriolMassot 3/4/2014 10:47am
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Don't get me wrong, I didn't say a super tricked ready to "race" at the real pro circuit level.

I was talking more of a "technology" and "knowledge" in the sense of making a dirt-bike at the same level of an any other japanese or katoom bike that got out from the production chain.

Do you think still would be $26K?
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hvaughn88 3/4/2014 11:05am
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hvaughn88 wrote:
I think that last sentence pretty much sums it up. Someone stated before that they would have to charge $25K per bike. To me, that's doesn't...
I think that last sentence pretty much sums it up. Someone stated before that they would have to charge $25K per bike. To me, that's doesn't seem ridiculous if you factor in what a race ready bike actually costs. But to produce 400 of them...you hit the nail on the head. There's not 400 people that actually need a pro level race ready bike.
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I think that's $26K based on a production bike. My guess is that it would go up substantially if you were talking about a limited-production frame/engine...
I think that's $26K based on a production bike. My guess is that it would go up substantially if you were talking about a limited-production frame/engine package.
Ahh, gotcha! That makes sense. Not looking so appealing in that regard.
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COAL-TRAIN 3/4/2014 11:42am
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haber0051 wrote:
worked union and non union there is lazy people on each side. a lot of non union workers make just as much as union.would the riders...
worked union and non union there is lazy people on each side. a lot of non union workers make just as much as union.would the riders get paid what there worth if they got together? not trying to start debate about unions, just stating my view.
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No man its easier to just stereotype and bash unions Ha ya hire an unskilled, poorly trained fork operator and after he hurts himself,someone else or...
No man its easier to just stereotype and bash unions
Ha ya hire an unskilled, poorly trained fork operator and after he hurts himself,someone else or damages property and you add up your lost man hours, 40.00 an hour will be a bargainWink
This is a non moto topic but the ignorant union bashing is comical on here lol.
A quality union forklift driver... $40 and he is lazy. A non union forklift operator...$15 and he busts ass.
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COAL-TRAIN 3/4/2014 11:44am
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CR250Rider wrote:
Show me a forklift operator that makes $40 hr.

Strawman
Union ones make that easily.

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BobbyM 3/4/2014 11:48am
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OriolMassot wrote:
I'm talking about a brand. A new brand. With all the technology they have and all the knowledge they have after so many years in this...
I'm talking about a brand. A new brand. With all the technology they have and all the knowledge they have after so many years in this sport, my question is this one. Could they build a brand new bike?

My guess is a HUGE YES. Look at a current freshly released 450 in the market. Besides the engine, frame, ergos designed, and plastics design, all the other items can be acquired from other companies.

If they could focus on building a steel or alu frame, new engine with reliability standars and some ergos that I'm sure they know how, they could just get the wheels, suspensions, exhaust and handlebars from a supply companies.

Would be cool?
Roll em a little tighter next time and don't inhale as much.
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12 Pack 3/4/2014 12:12pm
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OriolMassot wrote:
I'm talking about a brand. A new brand. With all the technology they have and all the knowledge they have after so many years in this...
I'm talking about a brand. A new brand. With all the technology they have and all the knowledge they have after so many years in this sport, my question is this one. Could they build a brand new bike?

My guess is a HUGE YES. Look at a current freshly released 450 in the market. Besides the engine, frame, ergos designed, and plastics design, all the other items can be acquired from other companies.

If they could focus on building a steel or alu frame, new engine with reliability standars and some ergos that I'm sure they know how, they could just get the wheels, suspensions, exhaust and handlebars from a supply companies.

Would be cool?
BobbyM wrote:
Roll em a little tighter next time and don't inhale as much.
Oh c'mon man, don't throw stones in a glass house, Cheech.
scott_nz 3/4/2014 12:57pm
3/4/2014 12:57pm
scott_nz wrote:
it did not seem that way at the first round of the world superbikes, it was way off the pace,
early wrote:
In their defense the weren't racing against 848 they were racing Panigales and literbikes. Still I dont take much of what a "Motorcycle Publication" has to...
In their defense the weren't racing against 848 they were racing Panigales and literbikes. Still I dont take much of what a "Motorcycle Publication" has to say to heart anymore. Interesting bike tho and glad to see they are making a go of it just sucks the WSBK appearance was so dissappointing.

There is difference between what the Pro Circuit does and what an OEM does. The way they build their components doesnt necessarily mean they would build a better (commercially viable) motorcycle than whats already out there.
agree totally, but the EBR is 1190cc

Pro Circuit does not have anywhere near the manufacturing ability of even a small player like TM, building a complete bike is a whole lot different to modifying and racing someone elses bike,
ToolMaker 3/4/2014 1:12pm
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If a bicycle company can do it (cannondale) for sure PC could if they wanted. but why would they want to?
Cannondale was way ahead of their time. If they had half the knowledge PC does they would be a force
to deal with today. They only failed because they didn't have that knowledge.
TM
scott_nz 3/4/2014 1:36pm
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If a bicycle company can do it (cannondale) for sure PC could if they wanted. but why would they want to? Cannondale was way ahead of...
If a bicycle company can do it (cannondale) for sure PC could if they wanted. but why would they want to?
Cannondale was way ahead of their time. If they had half the knowledge PC does they would be a force
to deal with today. They only failed because they didn't have that knowledge.
TM
Cannondale MC went broke, and produced a bike that was widely regarded as the worse bike ever, I think its the best reason for Pro Circuit not building bikes,
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BobbyM 3/4/2014 2:53pm
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ToolMaker wrote:
If a bicycle company can do it (cannondale) for sure PC could if they wanted. but why would they want to? Cannondale was way ahead of...
If a bicycle company can do it (cannondale) for sure PC could if they wanted. but why would they want to?
Cannondale was way ahead of their time. If they had half the knowledge PC does they would be a force
to deal with today. They only failed because they didn't have that knowledge.
TM
scott_nz wrote:
Cannondale MC went broke, and produced a bike that was widely regarded as the worse bike ever, I think its the best reason for Pro Circuit...
Cannondale MC went broke, and produced a bike that was widely regarded as the worse bike ever, I think its the best reason for Pro Circuit not building bikes,
Worse than the Tornado?
scott_nz 3/4/2014 2:56pm
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Worse than the Tornado?
possibly not, but they cost a heap more to buy new, and probably both had about the same very high DNF ratio
EZZA 95B 3/4/2014 2:56pm
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What about US Highland? They were going to build bikes to customer specs. Shame about the plane crash. RIP
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MR. X 3/4/2014 3:03pm
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Pro Circuit could design a kick ass bike that would compete with any top brand . As mentioned before it would take so much money to start a mfg company , then add to it the quality and precision of pro circuit that would drive mfg cost up even more to hold those standards . Its way to hard to keep all the vendors on the same level of precision.
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GuyB 3/4/2014 3:17pm
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12 Pack wrote:
Oh c'mon man, don't throw stones in a glass house, Cheech.
12-pack of usernames?
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Trav138 3/4/2014 5:36pm
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12-pack of usernames?
Let me guess Thomas Jefferson lol
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12 Pack wrote:
They could. But, it would cost 35,000USD because in the U.S. you have to pay the forklift operator 40 bucks an hour so he can sit...
They could. But, it would cost 35,000USD because in the U.S. you have to pay the forklift operator 40 bucks an hour so he can sit on his ass all day Mon-Fri, then come in on Saturday and make 80 per hour. The tig welder will do the same. The technology, ingenuity, and forward-thinking exist here, but laziness and unions get in the way.

Remember when Vertamati popped up in the early 90s and actually made ridiculously good bikes? I'd LOVE to see that here, albeit with a DI 2-banger, or a pneumatic valvetrain, ride-by-wire fooper. Either way. and before you say it, Cannondale doesn't count.
How do you feel about someone gaining 1.5 MILLION dollars an hour brah Wink For EVERY SINGLE hour of the year, working or not.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101282625

Welfare, unions, minimum wage... pffft, not even close to Corporate Entitlements and having practically ZERO taxation for the elite.
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12-pack of usernames?
Trav138 wrote:
Let me guess Thomas Jefferson lol
Bingo!

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whiskeythrottle101 wrote:
Cobra does a good job making an American made bike.
yea but cobra doesnt make new updates to the bikes every ~3 years or so like the big mfg's do, do they?

PC could make a bike, but it'd cost millions of dollars..and there'd be no ROI
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12 Pack wrote:
They could. But, it would cost 35,000USD because in the U.S. you have to pay the forklift operator 40 bucks an hour so he can sit...
They could. But, it would cost 35,000USD because in the U.S. you have to pay the forklift operator 40 bucks an hour so he can sit on his ass all day Mon-Fri, then come in on Saturday and make 80 per hour. The tig welder will do the same. The technology, ingenuity, and forward-thinking exist here, but laziness and unions get in the way.

Remember when Vertamati popped up in the early 90s and actually made ridiculously good bikes? I'd LOVE to see that here, albeit with a DI 2-banger, or a pneumatic valvetrain, ride-by-wire fooper. Either way. and before you say it, Cannondale doesn't count.
dantheman wrote:
How do you feel about someone gaining 1.5 [b]MILLION[/b] dollars an hour brah ;) For EVERY SINGLE hour of the year, working or not. http://www.cnbc.com/id/101282625 Welfare...
How do you feel about someone gaining 1.5 MILLION dollars an hour brah Wink For EVERY SINGLE hour of the year, working or not.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101282625

Welfare, unions, minimum wage... pffft, not even close to Corporate Entitlements and having practically ZERO taxation for the elite.
Warren invested that money and runs his own business.

Unions are theives who steal from the business owners
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MxKing809 3/4/2014 6:41pm
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I'm a union guy and I'm barely scraping by. It was hard to afford my wheel set once I bought my new bike and had it powder coated.... God knows how I'm going to afford exhaust..... It's rough Cool

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