Depth of 250 east

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So I was listening to a podcast with Weege and Matthes and they were talking about how on the 250 east 10th thru 20th in the main event were very very weak. They stated that only like 5 guys they showed up couldn't qualify for the night show. So there was only 5 more guys show up than there were gates. They wondered why.

Well gee. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that not as many people can afford to race 4 strokes especially at a competitive level.

The talent pool is drying up and it's only gonna get worse.

Tracks close and cost continue to escalate.

Long term this sport needs the simplicity and cost effectiveness of the two stroke. They better bring it back and slow down these four strokes.
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Another one of these threads. Ridiculous!! I was at the bike track yesterday and it was so busy I could barely find a place to park. And... What do you know, there were 10 four strokes to every two stroke. Oh yeah, and those two strokes are so cheap. Last I looked the YZ is a 2006 model and costs the same as a 250 four stroke and the KTM two strokes are as expensive as any of the 450's. Also, my friend cratered his 2002 yz two stroke and could have bought a nice 450 four stroke for what it cost him to fix it.
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I think 10th-20th in the east is ten times more talented than 10th-20th on the West.

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Yes it is... Lap times don't lie. People like keyboardjockey750 are not intelligent enough to look at lap times. It's called the Internet keyboardjockey750.....
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If they raced the exact same track every week on the east and west coast, I'd believe lap times would be a pretty good starting point. Since they don't race the same track, comparing lap times is apples and oranges. Similar ≠ same.

That being said, if keyboardjockey's assertions of 4 strokes, talent pool and track closures had any merit, wouldn't we being seeing the same issues on the west coast?
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So I was listening to a podcast with Weege and Matthes and they were talking about how on the 250 east 10th thru 20th in the...
So I was listening to a podcast with Weege and Matthes and they were talking about how on the 250 east 10th thru 20th in the main event were very very weak. They stated that only like 5 guys they showed up couldn't qualify for the night show. So there was only 5 more guys show up than there were gates. They wondered why.

Well gee. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that not as many people can afford to race 4 strokes especially at a competitive level.

The talent pool is drying up and it's only gonna get worse.

Tracks close and cost continue to escalate.

Long term this sport needs the simplicity and cost effectiveness of the two stroke. They better bring it back and slow down these four strokes.
Your opening paragraph is wrong. 73 riders tried to qualify, 80 were signed up (the limit I believe). It was the 450 class that only 5 riders did not make the night show. 6 if you include Reed.
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TLD has 4 riders in the west, and 0 in the east. That makes a huge difference. However, I do believe that 10-22 in the east is stronger than 10-22 in the west.
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So I was listening to a podcast with Weege and Matthes and they were talking about how on the 250 east 10th thru 20th in the...
So I was listening to a podcast with Weege and Matthes and they were talking about how on the 250 east 10th thru 20th in the main event were very very weak. They stated that only like 5 guys they showed up couldn't qualify for the night show. So there was only 5 more guys show up than there were gates. They wondered why.

Well gee. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that not as many people can afford to race 4 strokes especially at a competitive level.

The talent pool is drying up and it's only gonna get worse.

Tracks close and cost continue to escalate.

Long term this sport needs the simplicity and cost effectiveness of the two stroke. They better bring it back and slow down these four strokes.
Good thing you got here to sort this out! Sick

But just in case you actually were being serious... I rode from the final decade of two stroke domination (the 90s) til now, here are some observations:

-There are more tracks today then there was "back in the day." For every closure that effected me (I've live on both coasts during this time period) 2-3 tracks have opened up.

-Bike costs are relatively the same. MSRP has increased but so have awesome deals if you don't mind buying NOS. My 2000 YZ125 cost me $5000 out the door, and I had to wait for it. My 2011 KX450F cost me $5500 (and for that price I even got new-fangled aluminum bars included). Parlay that with inflation and we're getting great deals these days.

-There is no shortage of racers at the races. I wish I could return to race days with single digit motos. It sucks to be in the 17th moto when you have to go to work Monday.

So other than having more tracks to ride, more guys to compete with, better bikes for the same price we also have every single SX on live TV this season, with almost all available in HD if you are a fan of the sport. If you have been involved in the sport for a while you've got to remember the disparity of pro speed back in the day. It was much more than today. I remember guys finally sending a dead sailor after doubling triples all night and crashing out, or dudes practically rolling the whoops, in the mains! I'd love to be a teenager again, but other than that this is the best/fastest era that I've seen since two strokes were king.

Maybe the 70s were better, I'm too young to know. But those bikes look like a lot of punishment on the body long term.
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You guys crack me upWoohoo

My pal Al told me the world is getting hotter. Did you guys know that?

Maybe you should call DMXS and ask them how much more packed these tracks are now than they were in the 90's.

You know since they go to all these races to announce and own a track and all.
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Waste of a thread.
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We need to ask DV about this

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