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Socket946 2/6/2014 8:50pm
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mxpaul1976 wrote:
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from...
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from samples to pre-production items to production items there are lots of variables. The company who initially manufactured our first chains is the same manufacturer that makes them for RK. To think RK or any other chain brand is so great without knowing who manufactures for who probably isn't the smartest statement you've made. Regardless I understand that we are a new company when it comes to chains and have to earn our reputation. Even though the Mika line is new we have been in the MX market since the 80's with different products and brand names that have been very successful and continue to be successful. We manufacturer a lot of products in house for a lot of big name brands. To call me shady is about as correct as me calling you a clown for making the statements you've made, which would actually seem reasonable at this point. Smile I understand the skepticism because it's a new brand, but that doesn't mean were new to creating great products.Give us a try and I can assure you that you will have a different opinion about our products.
I like how you don't mention what you said to the customers you sold the junk chains to. It was pretty much along the lines of, "Get lost" when my buddy called.
mxpaul1976 2/6/2014 9:00pm
2/6/2014 9:00pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from...
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from samples to pre-production items to production items there are lots of variables. The company who initially manufactured our first chains is the same manufacturer that makes them for RK. To think RK or any other chain brand is so great without knowing who manufactures for who probably isn't the smartest statement you've made. Regardless I understand that we are a new company when it comes to chains and have to earn our reputation. Even though the Mika line is new we have been in the MX market since the 80's with different products and brand names that have been very successful and continue to be successful. We manufacturer a lot of products in house for a lot of big name brands. To call me shady is about as correct as me calling you a clown for making the statements you've made, which would actually seem reasonable at this point. Smile I understand the skepticism because it's a new brand, but that doesn't mean were new to creating great products.Give us a try and I can assure you that you will have a different opinion about our products.
Socket946 wrote:
I like how you don't mention what you said to the customers you sold the junk chains to. It was pretty much along the lines of...
I like how you don't mention what you said to the customers you sold the junk chains to. It was pretty much along the lines of, "Get lost" when my buddy called.
I highly doubt that "get lost" was anywhere near the answer he got. We've replaced the few chains that did break which was less than 1% of the first chains we sold. We stand behind all our products and if something isn't right we make it right. Please give me your buddies name and I will personally look up his order and send him a new chain free of charge.
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MX690 2/6/2014 9:15pm
2/6/2014 9:15pm
Wow tough crowd, I have never heard of Mika Chains I'm guessing they're not available in Australia. But is there any other company out there that hasn't released new products with out having some teething problems. Most companies have R & D departments to improve on their products, is it possible that this company has done that?
Matt Fisher 2/6/2014 9:48pm
2/6/2014 9:48pm
yzvet426 wrote:
I can't believe with all the wingnut on this board no one chimed in to say " Mika Chains was a porn star from back in...
I can't believe with all the wingnut on this board no one chimed in to say " Mika Chains was a porn star from back in the 90's. Rode hard than piff. damn, Maybe I'm the wingnut..........
Mika is the name of the owner's daughter. She's about 7 years old, I'd guess... Blush

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JBlain619 2/7/2014 6:31am
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mxpaul1976 wrote:
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from...
The chains did make it into circulation and we did have issues that we fixed, lesson learned. We manufacture a lot of different products and from samples to pre-production items to production items there are lots of variables. The company who initially manufactured our first chains is the same manufacturer that makes them for RK. To think RK or any other chain brand is so great without knowing who manufactures for who probably isn't the smartest statement you've made. Regardless I understand that we are a new company when it comes to chains and have to earn our reputation. Even though the Mika line is new we have been in the MX market since the 80's with different products and brand names that have been very successful and continue to be successful. We manufacturer a lot of products in house for a lot of big name brands. To call me shady is about as correct as me calling you a clown for making the statements you've made, which would actually seem reasonable at this point. Smile I understand the skepticism because it's a new brand, but that doesn't mean were new to creating great products.Give us a try and I can assure you that you will have a different opinion about our products.
Socket946 wrote:
I like how you don't mention what you said to the customers you sold the junk chains to. It was pretty much along the lines of...
I like how you don't mention what you said to the customers you sold the junk chains to. It was pretty much along the lines of, "Get lost" when my buddy called.
mxpaul1976 wrote:
I highly doubt that "get lost" was anywhere near the answer he got. We've replaced the few chains that did break which was less than 1%...
I highly doubt that "get lost" was anywhere near the answer he got. We've replaced the few chains that did break which was less than 1% of the first chains we sold. We stand behind all our products and if something isn't right we make it right. Please give me your buddies name and I will personally look up his order and send him a new chain free of charge.
Socket946 I've had the pleasure of of being a DT1 filter support rider for the past 5 seasons and Paul(mxpaul1976) is one of the most stand up guys in the industry. Take his advice and have your buddy call him. I had already placed my order for a set of Mika sprockets and chain before this post came out. At first it made me a little nervous, but once Paul made a post, I knew everything was going to be fine. Now, I wish the damn UPS guy would hurry up and get here with my Mika stuff!
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yzmatt 2/7/2014 6:58am
2/7/2014 6:58am
Obvious marketing thread is obvious.

The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a staged, shameless, and pitifully obvious attempt at plugging your product, guys. I won't try them for that reason alone… Bush league.
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Jimfunn 2/7/2014 7:39am
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lostboy819 wrote:
BULLSHIT !!! You get the shit chains redesigned after a bunch of failures, and now its better than RK, DID or renthal. That's a pretty tall...
BULLSHIT !!! You get the shit chains redesigned after a bunch of failures, and now its better than RK, DID or renthal. That's a pretty tall claim that the new resigned chain "it's currently the best chain on the US market" where do you come up with this shit and just putting bad chains out there the first time shows you guys don't have a clue "but the news ones are better" Your sales pitch needs work shamwow
Won't take much for it to be better than a Renthal Chain - they are shite.
mxpaul1976 2/7/2014 8:09am
2/7/2014 8:09am
yzmatt wrote:
Obvious marketing thread is obvious. The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a...
Obvious marketing thread is obvious.

The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a staged, shameless, and pitifully obvious attempt at plugging your product, guys. I won't try them for that reason alone… Bush league.
I wouldn't call standing behind our product when it's getting bashed for no reason a marketing thread. My brother is a daily vital visitor and chimed in to give someone some more info about one of our products. I'm a regular vital visitor that reads a lot of what's being said without commenting on many topics. We all work hard to give consumers the best products so when one of our products gets bashed by a few people with no knowledge of the actual product and development behind in I decided to chime in as well. Didn't know that I was breaking the "vital" rules.
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Trav138 2/7/2014 8:25am
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Jimfunn wrote:
Won't take much for it to be better than a Renthal Chain - they are shite.
Can you explain why? I have used them for a few years and they stretch a little after the first few rides, but then they seem fine. I know they are not the best chain but i would say for most of us they are fine. I havn't heard about any failing. I like Renthal sprockets so would just buy the sprocket/chain combo.
Paul i will give Mika a look, to be honest didn't know anything about them.
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IWreckALot 2/7/2014 8:30am
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Jimfunn wrote:
Won't take much for it to be better than a Renthal Chain - they are shite.
Trav138 wrote:
Can you explain why? I have used them for a few years and they stretch a little after the first few rides, but then they seem...
Can you explain why? I have used them for a few years and they stretch a little after the first few rides, but then they seem fine. I know they are not the best chain but i would say for most of us they are fine. I havn't heard about any failing. I like Renthal sprockets so would just buy the sprocket/chain combo.
Paul i will give Mika a look, to be honest didn't know anything about them.
I wouldn't mind giving them a consideration. What is the website? Or who carries Mika?

Edit: Google is my friend. www.mikametals.com
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yzmatt 2/7/2014 9:41am
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yzmatt wrote:
Obvious marketing thread is obvious. The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a...
Obvious marketing thread is obvious.

The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a staged, shameless, and pitifully obvious attempt at plugging your product, guys. I won't try them for that reason alone… Bush league.
mxpaul1976 wrote:
I wouldn't call standing behind our product when it's getting bashed for no reason a marketing thread. My brother is a daily vital visitor and chimed...
I wouldn't call standing behind our product when it's getting bashed for no reason a marketing thread. My brother is a daily vital visitor and chimed in to give someone some more info about one of our products. I'm a regular vital visitor that reads a lot of what's being said without commenting on many topics. We all work hard to give consumers the best products so when one of our products gets bashed by a few people with no knowledge of the actual product and development behind in I decided to chime in as well. Didn't know that I was breaking the "vital" rules.
Let me be clear, what I'm saying is that the original post was created with the sole intent of getting your brand name out there and talked about. It was crafted to look like a normal question, but I'm calling BS. It's a shameless plug, pure and simple.

It's pretty obvious, the OP account is basically brand new, still has only 6 total posts at the time of this writing. The second post, by pure coincidence I'm sure, is basically a press release about how you've switched suppliers and fixed all the problems from the old run of product. Of course this turns out to be from a person closely related to the owner but has no vested interest in the brand. Uh huh… Right…. I've got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona also….

I've seen this type of crap a million times on numerous forums, it's quite easy to spot. If you have a good product, get the word out the old fashioned way; hard work, pound the pavement, word of mouth and PAY for advertising…. GuyB offers such a service on this very site, imagine that.
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yak651 2/7/2014 10:03am
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So why no answer to the guy that has the cracked case from the chain? Yes you replace a $50 chain "for free" from a known defect but how does he back for the damaged the defected chain caused?
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slipdog 2/7/2014 10:04am
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They are a site sponsor and pay to advertise, I've seen their ads here plenty of times and even remember the buy one get one special that the guy mentioned on the first page.
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Deetsmx 2/7/2014 10:14am
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yzmatt wrote:
Let me be clear, what I'm saying is that the original post was created with the sole intent of getting your brand name out there and...
Let me be clear, what I'm saying is that the original post was created with the sole intent of getting your brand name out there and talked about. It was crafted to look like a normal question, but I'm calling BS. It's a shameless plug, pure and simple.

It's pretty obvious, the OP account is basically brand new, still has only 6 total posts at the time of this writing. The second post, by pure coincidence I'm sure, is basically a press release about how you've switched suppliers and fixed all the problems from the old run of product. Of course this turns out to be from a person closely related to the owner but has no vested interest in the brand. Uh huh… Right…. I've got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona also….

I've seen this type of crap a million times on numerous forums, it's quite easy to spot. If you have a good product, get the word out the old fashioned way; hard work, pound the pavement, word of mouth and PAY for advertising…. GuyB offers such a service on this very site, imagine that.
Let's get the original poster in here to clear this up. I have no idea who the guy is nor do I get a dime from the Mika sales. No offense man, but this post above is comical. Someone asked a question and I answered it, no need to put on your tin foil hat. I happen to have information on the product because I'm related and I thought I'd share it, didn't realize that was a bad thing. And I guess you've missed all the PAYING advertising that they have been doing on this site for the last couple of years. Give me a break dude.
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sparker245 2/7/2014 10:15am
2/7/2014 10:15am
Don't exactly know their company structure, but I think Mika, DT1Filters and Cheap Tearoffs are all affiliated with one another. I've used many of their products with good success, and so have many friends. I do know that the owners and employees are racers themselves, and they support the local MX community in Central California. Anytime our club (OTHG) has needed them they've been there especially for raffles and fundraisers for injured riders. Stand up guys, and good products.
mxpaul1976 2/7/2014 12:18pm
2/7/2014 12:18pm
yak651 wrote:
So why no answer to the guy that has the cracked case from the chain? Yes you replace a $50 chain "for free" from a known...
So why no answer to the guy that has the cracked case from the chain? Yes you replace a $50 chain "for free" from a known defect but how does he back for the damaged the defected chain caused?
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I offered to send him a chain and asked for his name this way I know if he really even ordered from us and whether or not the story is even true. People can obviously come on here and make unwarranted claims. I have never not stood behind a product that we sell and that's the bottom line. For certain people to just start talking/bashing and making comments about products that we take pride in developing without having a clue what they are talking about is ridiculous, the world of vital! Smile
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hvaughn88 2/7/2014 12:25pm
2/7/2014 12:25pm
Why does every damn thing have to be a conspiracy theory on here?
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lostboy819 2/7/2014 12:43pm
2/7/2014 12:43pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I...
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I offered to send him a chain and asked for his name this way I know if he really even ordered from us and whether or not the story is even true. People can obviously come on here and make unwarranted claims. I have never not stood behind a product that we sell and that's the bottom line. For certain people to just start talking/bashing and making comments about products that we take pride in developing without having a clue what they are talking about is ridiculous, the world of vital! Smile
That is good, that is what a company should do is stand behind their products. The only problem I have with your whole sales pitch is claiming your product is better than any other on the market today. I am sure that a few manufactures make all the chains for the major brands but they are built to the standards of the company that orders them so yes RK and several other all come from the same source but built to different standards. You can say you have a chain that is as good as the other top brands but to say its better when it is clearly not, is just a hollow claim especially after low quality chains made it into circulation that were suppose to be high quality chains. Standing behind you product will help your reputation.

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mxj621 2/7/2014 1:19pm
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yzmatt wrote:
Obvious marketing thread is obvious. The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a...
Obvious marketing thread is obvious.

The first post 'innocently' asking about these chains then suddenly representatives are in the thread pumping the product. Talk about a staged, shameless, and pitifully obvious attempt at plugging your product, guys. I won't try them for that reason alone… Bush league.
mxpaul1976 wrote:
I wouldn't call standing behind our product when it's getting bashed for no reason a marketing thread. My brother is a daily vital visitor and chimed...
I wouldn't call standing behind our product when it's getting bashed for no reason a marketing thread. My brother is a daily vital visitor and chimed in to give someone some more info about one of our products. I'm a regular vital visitor that reads a lot of what's being said without commenting on many topics. We all work hard to give consumers the best products so when one of our products gets bashed by a few people with no knowledge of the actual product and development behind in I decided to chime in as well. Didn't know that I was breaking the "vital" rules.
yzmatt wrote:
Let me be clear, what I'm saying is that the original post was created with the sole intent of getting your brand name out there and...
Let me be clear, what I'm saying is that the original post was created with the sole intent of getting your brand name out there and talked about. It was crafted to look like a normal question, but I'm calling BS. It's a shameless plug, pure and simple.

It's pretty obvious, the OP account is basically brand new, still has only 6 total posts at the time of this writing. The second post, by pure coincidence I'm sure, is basically a press release about how you've switched suppliers and fixed all the problems from the old run of product. Of course this turns out to be from a person closely related to the owner but has no vested interest in the brand. Uh huh… Right…. I've got some ocean front property for sale in Arizona also….

I've seen this type of crap a million times on numerous forums, it's quite easy to spot. If you have a good product, get the word out the old fashioned way; hard work, pound the pavement, word of mouth and PAY for advertising…. GuyB offers such a service on this very site, imagine that.
Don't throw my name out there like that alright. I use to race and was trying to make something of it in the past I received my pro license in 09 to have a bunch of injuries and quit the sport for 2 years. I am just now getting back into and sent them an email they were nice enough to help me out even though I haven't races in 2-3 years. I decieded I would ask about how their chains were since I was only going to use their bars but at the price I would get chains for I would love to run them. Again I asked so I can get info I have no idea who the owner or brother or anyone is. To make that assumption is stupid. Also no I haven't posted that much cause obviously unlike I don't have that much time I work 50 plus hours a week and I'm working on the side to try to save money to ride this year. I don't have time to make up stuff in my head that you saw "a million times" carry on.

Thanks for the replies everyone I am still considering trying them or not
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Ghost of Jabroni 2/7/2014 1:27pm
2/7/2014 1:27pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you...
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you from all the testing that Renthal and RK are sub par to the other brands. If you would like I'll send you one, if you don't like it you may continue your pointless rant. Smile
Offering everyone here free chains would have been great PR.

On the other hand getting in a back-and-forth with the mob is a lose-lose situation. You can't win no matter how sincere or logical your argument. Consider the audience, this place will argue over shades of grey while blindfolded.

I'm not saying that forking over a bunch of free chains is fair or right. But it sure beats the alternative.
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mxpaul1976 2/7/2014 2:02pm
2/7/2014 2:02pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I...
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I offered to send him a chain and asked for his name this way I know if he really even ordered from us and whether or not the story is even true. People can obviously come on here and make unwarranted claims. I have never not stood behind a product that we sell and that's the bottom line. For certain people to just start talking/bashing and making comments about products that we take pride in developing without having a clue what they are talking about is ridiculous, the world of vital! Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
That is good, that is what a company should do is stand behind their products. The only problem I have with your whole sales pitch is...
That is good, that is what a company should do is stand behind their products. The only problem I have with your whole sales pitch is claiming your product is better than any other on the market today. I am sure that a few manufactures make all the chains for the major brands but they are built to the standards of the company that orders them so yes RK and several other all come from the same source but built to different standards. You can say you have a chain that is as good as the other top brands but to say its better when it is clearly not, is just a hollow claim especially after low quality chains made it into circulation that were suppose to be high quality chains. Standing behind you product will help your reputation.
I understand where your coming from as well, but having tested with every other brand chain extensively we know what works and what doesn't. There is a lot that goes into development before anything comes to market and even then there can be issues from pre-production to production products(something we ran into with the chains). There are a lot of "big brand" chains that are junk and only a few that are really good. We had more than a few "big brand' name chains that snapped or where complete junk within 5 hours of testing. The fact that you supposedly think some name brands make great chains because "they've been around" is off the mark. We've been racing,testing, and riding for years as well as worked with most all top factory riders around in the last 10 years with some of our other brands so we are not just "claiming" anything. Happy Friday! Smile
mxpaul1976 2/7/2014 2:05pm
2/7/2014 2:05pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you...
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you from all the testing that Renthal and RK are sub par to the other brands. If you would like I'll send you one, if you don't like it you may continue your pointless rant. Smile
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Offering everyone here free chains would have been great PR. On the other hand getting in a back-and-forth with the mob is a lose-lose situation. You...
Offering everyone here free chains would have been great PR.

On the other hand getting in a back-and-forth with the mob is a lose-lose situation. You can't win no matter how sincere or logical your argument. Consider the audience, this place will argue over shades of grey while blindfolded.

I'm not saying that forking over a bunch of free chains is fair or right. But it sure beats the alternative.
I think anyone with the avatar Jabroni should get a chain! Tell me that came from the Rock. haha
Ghost of Jabroni 2/7/2014 4:41pm
2/7/2014 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2014 4:41pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you...
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you from all the testing that Renthal and RK are sub par to the other brands. If you would like I'll send you one, if you don't like it you may continue your pointless rant. Smile
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Offering everyone here free chains would have been great PR. On the other hand getting in a back-and-forth with the mob is a lose-lose situation. You...
Offering everyone here free chains would have been great PR.

On the other hand getting in a back-and-forth with the mob is a lose-lose situation. You can't win no matter how sincere or logical your argument. Consider the audience, this place will argue over shades of grey while blindfolded.

I'm not saying that forking over a bunch of free chains is fair or right. But it sure beats the alternative.
mxpaul1976 wrote:
I think anyone with the avatar Jabroni should get a chain! Tell me that came from the Rock. haha
No need for a chain these days. Im between bikes at the moment.

I will say this tho...I used DT1 filters on my last bike and I was VERY happy with them.

It just sucks that a person is taking as much shit as you are in this thread.

I dunno about the rest of you, but had I had a chain private labeled by the same mfgr that does RK's chains (I love RK chains) then I'd feel pretty damn good about that product after it had passed my testing process. If the mfgr changes things up it's a bit out of the brand's control. Aston Martin is recalling EVERY SINGLE CAR THEYVE MADE the last few years because a supplier duped them on their plastic gas pedals. A brand's hands are tied in that sorta situation.

This is why it would have been better had Paul or his brother just ignored this thread and let it die a quick death. Which is lame. What I'd give to get a chance to talk to the owner of T-Mobile or Visa the next time they screw me over. I dunno. Maybe Im the lame one, but anytime I see the owner of a company willing to talk directly to his customer base and fix any issues, I think it is a blessing and shouldnt be a situation where the owner is blasted into thinking that joining this thread was a mistake.

(DISCLAIMER: no, I dont work for Mika, DT1, RK or any affiliated comapny of their's nor have I ever. This is not a paid post. I have no dog in this fight. I am just an average Jabroni who likes the simple things in life like boxed wine, killing rats, and sniffing glue)
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Paul are you associated with Cheap Tearoffs? I've been very happy with them. I also have one of your chains and sprockets to try as soon as the weather breaks.

On a side note to the others on here. I can't say anything about Mika products yet, but correspondence with Mika has been very good. And that is not the norm these days
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088kawi wrote:
Paul are you associated with Cheap Tearoffs? I've been very happy with them. I also have one of your chains and sprockets to try as soon...
Paul are you associated with Cheap Tearoffs? I've been very happy with them. I also have one of your chains and sprockets to try as soon as the weather breaks.

On a side note to the others on here. I can't say anything about Mika products yet, but correspondence with Mika has been very good. And that is not the norm these days
I own cheaptearoffs. Paul's company manufactures all of my stuff and he is my brother, but it is a separate entity and ran entirely separately from DT1 and Mika Metals. We purchase our products from DT1 much like other companies do except I get to cuss at him at family gatherings if he jacks up our order.
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silver753 2/7/2014 9:58pm
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mxpaul1976 wrote:
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you...
We've tested RK, Renthal, DID, Tsubaki extensively. If you think we just put products out without testing and more testing your foolish. I can tell you from all the testing that Renthal and RK are sub par to the other brands. If you would like I'll send you one, if you don't like it you may continue your pointless rant. Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
Just say you have a quality product without all the bogus claims. The bottom line is that sub standard chains made it into circulation ( By...
Just say you have a quality product without all the bogus claims. The bottom line is that sub standard chains made it into circulation ( By you own admission) and the quality control was not there. You will be know by your reputation and that will determine if you you will be around five years from now or go the way of so many others who's claims could not match the product. If its a great chain that is fantastic but to put them above the high quality of RK and DID or other brands just makes you sound shady.
Lostboy, there's maybe 5 or 6 high end motorcycle chain mfgs, and they produce a good percentage of the chains on the market and get rebranded under a different retail name. Would you run a DID, EK, RK, Tsubaki, or Regina? Are you sure that Mika is not produced by one of these mfg's? Speaking without knowing makes you look foolish.
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silver753 2/7/2014 10:07pm
2/7/2014 10:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2014 10:08pm
mxpaul1976 wrote:
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I...
We stand behind all our products, if he really had damaged cases he should have contacted us and I would have taken care of it. I offered to send him a chain and asked for his name this way I know if he really even ordered from us and whether or not the story is even true. People can obviously come on here and make unwarranted claims. I have never not stood behind a product that we sell and that's the bottom line. For certain people to just start talking/bashing and making comments about products that we take pride in developing without having a clue what they are talking about is ridiculous, the world of vital! Smile
lostboy819 wrote:
That is good, that is what a company should do is stand behind their products. The only problem I have with your whole sales pitch is...
That is good, that is what a company should do is stand behind their products. The only problem I have with your whole sales pitch is claiming your product is better than any other on the market today. I am sure that a few manufactures make all the chains for the major brands but they are built to the standards of the company that orders them so yes RK and several other all come from the same source but built to different standards. You can say you have a chain that is as good as the other top brands but to say its better when it is clearly not, is just a hollow claim especially after low quality chains made it into circulation that were suppose to be high quality chains. Standing behind you product will help your reputation.
My apologies lostboy, but your last post is nuts. You have a problem with a company claiming there product is better than everything on the market? That is what most advertisers ADVERITISE. Have you every watched TV or listened to the Radio?
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lostboy819 2/7/2014 10:53pm
2/7/2014 10:53pm Edited Date/Time 2/7/2014 11:03pm
silver753 wrote:
Lostboy, there's maybe 5 or 6 high end motorcycle chain mfgs, and they produce a good percentage of the chains on the market and get rebranded...
Lostboy, there's maybe 5 or 6 high end motorcycle chain mfgs, and they produce a good percentage of the chains on the market and get rebranded under a different retail name. Would you run a DID, EK, RK, Tsubaki, or Regina? Are you sure that Mika is not produced by one of these mfg's? Speaking without knowing makes you look foolish.
Well if you could read you would see that is what I was saying as I am sure Mika is made by one of them to Mikas specs. Most all chains come from just a few manufactures and are made to the specs of the company that sells them.Just like when there were only two or three company's that made boots but they made them for all the different brands and by no means does that make them all equal as they are made to the specs of the company selling them. Mika sold some bad chains but how did they get past their quality control? They admit it and are upfront about it and sound like have taken care of the people who got the bad ones.Would I buy a Mika over the RK or DID probably not but I have no reason to change.
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GuyB 2/7/2014 11:04pm
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Oh boy. I just stumbled in here.

Some of you could lay off the Red Bull a little.
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