Best 2 Strokes

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2014 10:50pm
Hey everyone, I am looking into buying either a 125 or 250 2 stroke. I was curious to everyones opinion on which 2 strokes are the best. I know Yamahas are probably the best with KTM a close second but how are the rest of the bikes, and what are good years? Thanks for the help.
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1/21/2014 10:40pm
It depends on what you're looking to spend, your level of experience, and what you plan on doing with the bike. If youre looking to get a brand new bike, I would go with a KTM 144 or 250, or a YZ250 or 125.
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I only ride Moto I race B class all SoCal tracks
1/21/2014 10:52pm
What.... you dont trust Keefer and DVs recommendations...so you come here?
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1/21/2014 10:54pm
What.... you dont trust Keefer and DVs recommendations...so you come here?
Haha I do but in curious about like kawis suzukis and Hondas

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1/22/2014 12:38am
i went with the ktm. couldnt justify paying MORE for a 'new' yz from '06.
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What.... you dont trust Keefer and DVs recommendations...so you come here?
SinjinL wrote:
Haha I do but in curious about like kawis suzukis and Hondas
I just got a 13 YZ 250 and really like it so far. It handles awesome on the MX track but I was fighting it in the woods. I think that was more suspension related than the bike though. Having said that, this is my first two stroke. I'm listening to the show right now and I'd trust DV's recommendation. The YZ hasn't changed in awhile.
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If you want a used 250, I would go with an 06-08 RM. They have a great motor, steel frame and they turn like a cat on carpet. For a 125, it's a KTM 150 hands down. Behind that, I would go with an 06-08 RM (if you can find one) for the same reasons I liked the RM250. The YZ is a great 125 as well and the argument over which one is better will be like a typical Ford vs GMC argument. Regardless, if you choose anything other than the KTM you're going to put a 144 kit in it anyways so it doesn't really matter.
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MXD wrote:
If you want a used 250, I would go with an 06-08 RM. They have a great motor, steel frame and they turn like a cat...
If you want a used 250, I would go with an 06-08 RM. They have a great motor, steel frame and they turn like a cat on carpet. For a 125, it's a KTM 150 hands down. Behind that, I would go with an 06-08 RM (if you can find one) for the same reasons I liked the RM250. The YZ is a great 125 as well and the argument over which one is better will be like a typical Ford vs GMC argument. Regardless, if you choose anything other than the KTM you're going to put a 144 kit in it anyways so it doesn't really matter.
x2 on the RM250, I have one and it is an awesome bike!
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1/22/2014 7:39am
What.... you dont trust Keefer and DVs recommendations...so you come here?
SinjinL wrote:
Haha I do but in curious about like kawis suzukis and Hondas
FOR SURE look at the 06 -08 RM250 I have an 06 and im NEVER letting go of it. Ridden the other 3 mentioned and that RM is the best bike ive ever ridden… .its pure blodded 2 str0ke and handles like its on rails, didnt believe the hype till i rode one imo they are incredible. Im actually looking for another one right now
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1/22/2014 7:40am
I cant believe dv or keefer didnt mention the suzuki
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I got a new yz 250 in 09 and when I decided to replace it I couldn't justify paying around 7k for the same bike again as a 2013 so I got a KTM 250sx. The KTM is amazing but to be honest I really liked the yz as well, can't really go wrong.

I also have an older 03 RM 125 and that thing is sweet as well. The motor isn't as strong as the yz or ktm 125 but it handles awesome.
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If buying new, I think it's a toss up. I would buy the YZ because I've seen them for as little as $5,500, brand new.
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Italjet is the way to go.
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1/22/2014 8:13am
I can't believe people still think the old yz is as good as a new ktm. Yes the suspension may not suit everybody but that is so easy to fix. Most serious guys do that to whatever bike they buy anyway.
1/22/2014 8:23am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 8:31am
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If buying new, I think it's a toss up. I would buy the YZ because I've seen them for as little as $5,500, brand new.
Where???? I haven't seen anything south of 6400. And that's not out the door!!!!

Everyone raves the Ktm engine is better. I think it's because they come with a vforce stock. Slap a vforce on the Yamaha and the bike noticeably picks up equally as strong as the Ktm off the showroom.

I've rode the KTMS. They feel taller, not as much distance from seat to handlebar kinda feeling if that makes sense. They handle well and pull hard.

I love my 06 yz 125. Thing rips. I plan on keeping this bike for eternity. I changed the 7/8 bars to pro tapers with the riser adaptor. Bad idea, the bike handles better with 7/8. The pro taper and risers feel like they offset the bar position way too drastically. But the newer models don't have 7/8 clamps so that is fixed.

I loved my 08 yz250. The bike soaked up high point rough with ease, cornered beautifully, and neer faltered confidence when coming in heavy to hard packed corners. No front end push ever and I used stock triple clamps. Was planning on keeping it for eternity. Until some asshole decided he was gonna take and it destroy it for all eternity.

You can't go wrong either way. The suzukis handle great as well.
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I cant believe dv or keefer didnt mention the suzuki
They both work for or have a great relationship with Yamaha so it doesn't surprise me. I was more shocked that DV mentioned KTM.
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1/22/2014 8:35am
There were two Texas dealers advertising 2012's for $5,500 a few months ago. Maybe that shipped has sailed, but I would guess that some dealers are discounting their 2013's now.

Here's a '13 for $6k in Texas. http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2013-Yamaha-YZ250-107937693
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If we read between the lines of all of these replies, I think they say "no matter what, stay away from the Kawi and Honda". Not one person has mentioned them and probably for good reason.
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MXD wrote:
If we read between the lines of all of these replies, I think they say "no matter what, stay away from the Kawi and Honda". Not...
If we read between the lines of all of these replies, I think they say "no matter what, stay away from the Kawi and Honda". Not one person has mentioned them and probably for good reason.
I don't know much about the last KX's, but I love my 07 CR250. The 05-07 CR would have been a shootout winner with a few simple engine mods. The problem is they are rare, so you may wait a long time for a really nice one to pop up.
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It is a tough call, I was in the same boat last year. Here's what I came up with..

I went with the 2013 ktm250sx

pros-
*Incredible motor, no mods on mine and the thing rips. It's alittle flat in the over revs but that can be changed with gearing or pipe

* Come's stock with upgraded parts (that's what sold me) v force reed valve, good chain and sprokets, billet hubs, and of course the brakes, no jap. bike comes close.

*Good reliability, put over 35 hours my bike this year and the only thing to go wrong was the stock pipe cracked. But that is a common issue. I put a tire and set a rear brake pads on, that's all I did all year. Pulled the piston out and it's still in spec but I got a new on anyway

Cons-
*If you have never ridden a ktm they tend to feel weird at first, they sit tall. My friend who is shorter then me has always had rms. We switched bikes one weekend, and he couldn't get use to my bike.

*Suspension- same as above, I haven't sent mine out yet, I have ridden ktms and huskys before so I'm use to it. I'm going to put presh oil in the forks and mess around with the air gap. If I still cant get it where I want it I will send it out

*Stock pipe will crack sooner or later, get a new one. I got one free from ktm somehow but I will go with a fmf soon

If you prefer the feel of a jap. bike I would say go with the yz, they are much easier to set up.

However, you wont get all the goodies that come with the ktm and also it's been the same for many years.

If I had to pick another 2 stroke besides those two I would def. go with the rm250 hands down.
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you'd be wise to get a 2011 or newer KTM 300. best bikes on the floor in my opinion.
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1/22/2014 9:38am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 9:39am
My personal favorite was my 04 kx 250, I won more races on that baby than anything. I personally hate how yamaha's feel, they are just uncomfortable in every way to me. I still don't understand how people praise them so much, they are just terrible in my eyes. All the Hondas I ever rode handled well but had the most useless power curve I have ever seen. Suzukis are also good, great motor and turn well, but they are unstable at speed...and were not the most reliable. The newest gen KTM (I currently ride an 11 350) are saweet, out of the box the motors are as good or better than most mod motors (two smokes). A lowering link and a revalve and they handle incredibly well....but you are talking a lot more money than buying used.
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The KTMs are held together with zip ties and wood screws, they also vibrate like ****ing hell. YZ 250 greatest motocross bike of all time (opinion). I've put 350 hours on mine and I've only replaced 8 top ends, 3 cranks and 1 transmission! It never actually broke though, Im just scared of old cranks. I found some gear dogs in my oil one day and thats when the trans got replaced, that was at the 300 hr mark though.
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Skerby wrote:
The KTMs are held together with zip ties and wood screws, they also vibrate like ****ing hell. YZ 250 greatest motocross bike of all time (opinion)...
The KTMs are held together with zip ties and wood screws, they also vibrate like ****ing hell. YZ 250 greatest motocross bike of all time (opinion). I've put 350 hours on mine and I've only replaced 8 top ends, 3 cranks and 1 transmission! It never actually broke though, Im just scared of old cranks. I found some gear dogs in my oil one day and thats when the trans got replaced, that was at the 300 hr mark though.
Say what you want about zipties and woodscrews but my KTM is much better to work on than my YZ was. My YZ shattered 3rd gear in the transmission at 70-80 hours. That was the only major issue I ever had with the bike in 4 years.

Regarding prices as mentioned above, when I was looking at 2013s I got my KTM for a few hundred cheaper than anyone would sell me a YZ for.
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I absolutely love my 2006 YZ 125, and will never sell it. I had an '03 CR 250 that I thought was a pretty good bike as well.
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1/22/2014 10:19am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 10:31am
Skerby wrote:
The KTMs are held together with zip ties and wood screws, they also vibrate like ****ing hell. YZ 250 greatest motocross bike of all time (opinion)...
The KTMs are held together with zip ties and wood screws, they also vibrate like ****ing hell. YZ 250 greatest motocross bike of all time (opinion). I've put 350 hours on mine and I've only replaced 8 top ends, 3 cranks and 1 transmission! It never actually broke though, Im just scared of old cranks. I found some gear dogs in my oil one day and thats when the trans got replaced, that was at the 300 hr mark though.
hah!

have you ever owned or worked on your own KTM? what year? and what website have you been following where you read bullshit about the bikes then get on here and talk shit without having the firsthand knowledge for yourself?

my '12 300 is torn down right now going through all the bearings and top-end preparing for this season. i have literally taken out every single bolt on the entire bike for the first time since owning it. i will tell you right now that you are full of fucking shit saying it's held together with zip-ties and wood screws. seriously, where the fuck did you get that information?

after riding YZ two-strokes for years and now my '12 KTM, i will tell you first hand that the KTM is VERY well put together and they use very high quality bolts throughout the entire bike. the standard of bolts and connectors is every bit as quality if not more so than the YZ. i've owned at least 15 YZ's over the years, want to talk about shitty bolts how about the early 2000's steel bolts across the entire bike? the older KTM's may have used lesser quality screws/bolts, but the newer ones definitely don't.

you can be blinded by hate for the brand that's just fine, but talking out of your ignorant ass about a bikes "wood screws and zip-ties" is fucking stupid, and so are you if you truly believe it.

stfu moran

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1/22/2014 10:23am
I've never owned a KTM but I have ridden them and worked on them quite a bit (I helped my buddies kid out who raced 150's for 3 years) and although it wouldn't be my first choice to own, there is no way I would ever question the build quality or the components they use.
1/22/2014 10:32am
if you dont mind doing alittle setup work on the 02-07 CR250s..they are really great handling bikes. some dont like the power but the lack of bottom end makes them easier to ride IMO and with alittle work you can get them to be super fast

What's important to you..how the bike handles or how reliable it is??

Also..how big are you?? Bigger folks tend to get on better with the YZ/KX's while the RM and CR's are better for shorter riders

not sure about the KTM

you can't go wrong with a YZ though..reliable and fast!
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1/22/2014 11:26am
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1/22/2014 11:39am
I have to agree with CamP--go with an 03-07 Honda CR250R-I personally race the '04 CR250R. You can get them at a GREAT price, they are awsome handling bikes, and if you're not comfortable with just racing at the top end of the powerband, you can send the cylinder and head over to Terry Varner Motorsports and he'll get you a ton of bottom end for around $450 with his porting and decking work. I think he gets like 6 more HP out of the bottom end. And there are a bunch of suspension shops that did work on those model years--Merge, Enzo, Factory Connection, RG3 so you can get the suspension race ready for your level as well.

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