New Ford F-150

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1/13/2014 2:25pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 2:27pm
Drfletcher wrote:
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of...
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of junk ever. I have had 3 front brake jobs, 2 rear brake jobs, the Bluetooth module crapped out, it won't even play cds, and now it runs like a 50 year old Dodge. The mechanics don't know why and suggest I change out the spark plugs at the low cost of $200. I have already had a coil replaced.

Plus on three separate occasions on the highway when I stepped on the gas to accelerate, the truck bogged and lost speed. Its a piece of crap for $48K.
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the...
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the new model year ecoboost. From what I've read on other forums many had issues that first year. Ford did some design changes on some of the parts in the later half of 2012 and they seem to have it fixed.
i went from the 2006 5.0 V8 to my 2012 Ecoboost and i can't even begin to describe how much better all around truck it is. i agree with you, i'm thinking it's the first year jitters. i have friends that moved from newer Chevy and Dodge V8s to the Eco and they all swear by them.

i put airbags in the rear end of mine and towing is absolutely no problem. my Eco will out-tow my '06 V8 any day of the week

@Drfletcher that sucks you are having so many problems. i had a couple small issues and Ford corrected them. i'm coming up on the end of my 36k warranty and am debating dropping a couple grand on the extension... nothing sucks like shelling money for items that would be taken care of in a warranty, and not having a warranty in the first place
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1/13/2014 2:28pm
They were showing ramps that attached to the bedsides as well. Neat truck. I saw all of the PR photos with the dirtbikes in the bed, didn't realize the same display was at the auto show.
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1/13/2014 2:28pm
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Same business here, wonder if for boxside replacement it is bolted on? Otherwise the average shop would have to rivet bond them back on. Most of...
Same business here, wonder if for boxside replacement it is bolted on? Otherwise the average shop would have to rivet bond them back on. Most of the farmers up here dent the sides up often, to fix them would require purchasing an aluminum dent fixer of some kind.
Hahaha aluminum dent fixer thats funny
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1/13/2014 2:30pm
Now you have to worry about the crackheads stealing your cat converter and body panels.

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1/13/2014 2:36pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
I think most of these short beds are the result of crew cab trucks. Most all beds were full size before crew cabs became the norm...
I think most of these short beds are the result of crew cab trucks. Most all beds were full size before crew cabs became the norm. Not that it makes it any better, but I think the companies realize that most of the trucks they sell are just daily drivers and not actually used for hauling on a regular occasion. Since they are adding length in the cab, they probably take away length in the bed so that the overall length is still manageable for the masses when it comes to fitting in garages, parking spaces, etc. Just a thought.
This makes total sense.
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1/13/2014 2:38pm
TRON wrote:
I wonder how much of the truck is actually aluminum...


An anodized truck would be the bomb.com
I read somewhere that the bed/box would be steel and everything else would be aluminum.
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1/13/2014 2:41pm
Aren't the dirt bike there to pull it out when it gets stuck and all the GMC drivers have left you behind?
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1/13/2014 2:47pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
I think most of these short beds are the result of crew cab trucks. Most all beds were full size before crew cabs became the norm...
I think most of these short beds are the result of crew cab trucks. Most all beds were full size before crew cabs became the norm. Not that it makes it any better, but I think the companies realize that most of the trucks they sell are just daily drivers and not actually used for hauling on a regular occasion. Since they are adding length in the cab, they probably take away length in the bed so that the overall length is still manageable for the masses when it comes to fitting in garages, parking spaces, etc. Just a thought.
bingo.

I may be wrong but i think it was the tundra that had the first "crew" cab and 5'7" box. It was the first one i noticed anyway. I know ford and dodge now offer the crew cab and 6'4" box in their half ton trucks to get the best of both worlds.
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1/13/2014 3:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 3:01pm
I have a 2012 Ford Raptor & I absolutely love it. I bought it brand new & I haven't had one issue with it. The thing flat out hauls & it pulls my 16' enclosed trailer unbelievably well. They have an awesome resale value & are a conversation piece every where you go with it.
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MXisLIFE wrote:
Hahaha aluminum dent fixer thats funny
Only $5787.00, shipped FREE to your door....Wink

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1/13/2014 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 3:47pm

Trucks have gotten really spendy over the years.
Any Brand new Truck Is way out of my price range
but I saw this pic earlier today . Before this thread
and man this new one is sweet looking
.IMO nicer looking than all the other brands current model

On a side note I personally think the 2013 chev
looks better than the 2014
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1/13/2014 3:46pm
Funny reading this I bought a 2011 with the 5.0 it's been in the shop since the end of December and they still don't know what it is . It starts like shit when it's cold like cranks over for ten seconds then starts blows smoke then runs fine. As long as it's warmed up it starts fine. Oh and it burns through oil like crazy and the transmission slips off idle quite a bit.
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1/13/2014 4:12pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Only downside to the New F-150?

We're gonna wait a LONG TIME for the Raptor version...if ever...
It has been the subject of a great deal of conversation here in Detroit today. Talking with someone who would know about such things it sound like there will be several derivatives in 2015, 2016 .....hint hint...........
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1/13/2014 4:33pm
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the...
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the new model year ecoboost. From what I've read on other forums many had issues that first year. Ford did some design changes on some of the parts in the later half of 2012 and they seem to have it fixed.
Drfletcher wrote:
It really sucks spending that much money on a truck that has so many problems. I never had any problems with the Chevys I have own.
Chevy just announced the recall of over 300,000 new and improved 2014 Silverados.
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I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the...
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the new model year ecoboost. From what I've read on other forums many had issues that first year. Ford did some design changes on some of the parts in the later half of 2012 and they seem to have it fixed.
Drfletcher wrote:
It really sucks spending that much money on a truck that has so many problems. I never had any problems with the Chevys I have own.
Wandell wrote:
Chevy just announced the recall of over 300,000 new and improved 2014 Silverados.
All the door handles broke off and the dashes cracked to pieces??? El oh el
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1/13/2014 4:57pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Only downside to the New F-150?

We're gonna wait a LONG TIME for the Raptor version...if ever...
TomZ wrote:
It has been the subject of a great deal of conversation here in Detroit today. Talking with someone who would know about such things it sound...
It has been the subject of a great deal of conversation here in Detroit today. Talking with someone who would know about such things it sound like there will be several derivatives in 2015, 2016 .....hint hint...........
The Raptor will be a '16...IF the SVT guys can get it past the Bean-Counters and 2017 CAFE "issues".

We'll see.
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1/13/2014 5:16pm
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the...
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the new model year ecoboost. From what I've read on other forums many had issues that first year. Ford did some design changes on some of the parts in the later half of 2012 and they seem to have it fixed.
Drfletcher wrote:
It really sucks spending that much money on a truck that has so many problems. I never had any problems with the Chevys I have own.
Must not have a very new Chevy?
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1/13/2014 5:16pm
When it blows up you can crush it and take it the recycle yard!

Just kidding luv my f150
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The problem is there's a lot of people who think there 1/2 ton pick-up is a 1 ton diesel! They pull huge campers and trailers. Just because the truck will do it, they think it's OK. There's a lemon in every bunch, but there's a lot more dumb people then lemons!
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1/13/2014 5:34pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 5:37pm
Drfletcher wrote:
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of...
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of junk ever. I have had 3 front brake jobs, 2 rear brake jobs, the Bluetooth module crapped out, it won't even play cds, and now it runs like a 50 year old Dodge. The mechanics don't know why and suggest I change out the spark plugs at the low cost of $200. I have already had a coil replaced.

Plus on three separate occasions on the highway when I stepped on the gas to accelerate, the truck bogged and lost speed. Its a piece of crap for $48K.
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the...
I've got a 2012 5.0 F150 and have had really good luck with mine. I think the problems you are having are a result of the new model year ecoboost. From what I've read on other forums many had issues that first year. Ford did some design changes on some of the parts in the later half of 2012 and they seem to have it fixed.
I also got a 2013 F-150 5.0, and the reason I did not get the ecoboost is because they were still having issues with the ecoboost back during the Summer, so I wanted to play it safe.

I only have 1300 miles so far, but I love it. I got it November 30th.

Also to the person that said they think the 2013 Chevy/GMs look better than the 2014 I agree 100% percent. I actually wanted a GM over Ford, but I ended up getting another Ford.
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There ya go. Work on it yourself with Vice-Grips and a butter knife.
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There ya go. Work on it yourself with Vice-Grips and a butter knife.

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Love that brick parking brake.......... Tongue
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You guys have just named every single reason I will continue to drive my 1995 Chevy K1500 z71. For starters I can actually open the hood and know exactly what I'm looking at. If something does go wrong on it I can call 4 different auto parts store in town and every single one of them has the parts that I need no mater what it is. It's got 382 thousand miles on it and I just rebuilt the transmission for the first time in December. I will say that I did replace the motor also but I would say I have gotten a lot of miles out of it for the 5grand I have in it. I'm not trying to impress a chick with my truck. That's why i Got a bike !!! And last but not least. ITS PAID FOR!!!! Forget a payment !!
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1/13/2014 5:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/13/2014 6:22pm
Drfletcher wrote:
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of...
I don't think I'll ever buy a Ford again. I bought the new F150 2011 Lariat loaded with the eco boost engine. The biggest piece of junk ever. I have had 3 front brake jobs, 2 rear brake jobs, the Bluetooth module crapped out, it won't even play cds, and now it runs like a 50 year old Dodge. The mechanics don't know why and suggest I change out the spark plugs at the low cost of $200. I have already had a coil replaced.

Plus on three separate occasions on the highway when I stepped on the gas to accelerate, the truck bogged and lost speed. Its a piece of crap for $48K.
Sucks to hear about your bad luck; known a few folks that have the F-150's and they've really liked them. Now, this might cause a bigger shitstorm than a J-Law thread, but I have a 2012 Dodge Ram 1500 Club Cab I bought new a year and a half ago and love it. (Has the 4.7 V8, Auto and 3.55 R&P w/ the factory limited slip in the rear). I just hit 20K miles on it and haven't had a single issue w/ it. Granted, the heaviest thing I tow (besides my fat ass...) is a Bayliner 175, but it has served me well. Rotate the tires on every oil change and I put Castrol Synthetic in it every 5K miles. Even got the Ram Boxes on it. Really happy with it... Smile
1/13/2014 6:10pm
mx 219 wrote:
I also got a 2013 F-150 5.0, and the reason I did not get the ecoboost is because they were still having issues with the ecoboost...
I also got a 2013 F-150 5.0, and the reason I did not get the ecoboost is because they were still having issues with the ecoboost back during the Summer, so I wanted to play it safe.

I only have 1300 miles so far, but I love it. I got it November 30th.

Also to the person that said they think the 2013 Chevy/GMs look better than the 2014 I agree 100% percent. I actually wanted a GM over Ford, but I ended up getting another Ford.
Just got a new 2013 F150 couple of weeks ago. Haven't been able to drive it as I've been stuck in a hospital bed for much of that time. It'll be a few months till I can drive it but I had an 06 with the 5.7 V8 and really liked it. The new one seems to have a shorter bed than the last one. I didn't want the long bed because if I need to get multiple bikes to the track I've got a trailer. New truck has the 5.0. Ford has so many rebates it was cheaper to buy new than used. There weren't as good of rebates for the ecoboost so it would have been several thousand more. I know, why get a truck when you can't drive it? They seem to be running out of 2013 trucks, and it was already hard to find the one I wanted. Sent the wife almost a hundred miles away to go get it.
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1/13/2014 6:44pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Only downside to the New F-150?

We're gonna wait a LONG TIME for the Raptor version...if ever...
The new Raptor is in the works. Hopefully the following link works:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130429/CARNEWS/130429814

I have a '13 Raptor and love it. Have been a GM guy all my life but I have to say this is one really good truck.
1/13/2014 9:17pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2014 5:59pm
Bigfoot wrote:
[img]http://www.2040cars.com/_content/cars/images/48/103448/001.jpg[/img] There ya go. Work on it yourself with Vice-Grips and a butter knife.


There ya go. Work on it yourself with Vice-Grips and a butter knife.
Pen and Tablet okay?


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mx 219 wrote:
I also got a 2013 F-150 5.0, and the reason I did not get the ecoboost is because they were still having issues with the ecoboost...
I also got a 2013 F-150 5.0, and the reason I did not get the ecoboost is because they were still having issues with the ecoboost back during the Summer, so I wanted to play it safe.

I only have 1300 miles so far, but I love it. I got it November 30th.

Also to the person that said they think the 2013 Chevy/GMs look better than the 2014 I agree 100% percent. I actually wanted a GM over Ford, but I ended up getting another Ford.
ToolMaker wrote:
Just got a new 2013 F150 couple of weeks ago. Haven't been able to drive it as I've been stuck in a hospital bed for much...
Just got a new 2013 F150 couple of weeks ago. Haven't been able to drive it as I've been stuck in a hospital bed for much of that time. It'll be a few months till I can drive it but I had an 06 with the 5.7 V8 and really liked it. The new one seems to have a shorter bed than the last one. I didn't want the long bed because if I need to get multiple bikes to the track I've got a trailer. New truck has the 5.0. Ford has so many rebates it was cheaper to buy new than used. There weren't as good of rebates for the ecoboost so it would have been several thousand more. I know, why get a truck when you can't drive it? They seem to be running out of 2013 trucks, and it was already hard to find the one I wanted. Sent the wife almost a hundred miles away to go get it.
TM
I bought a new 2013 xlt with the 3.5 Eco boost 4 weeks ago. The 2nd day I owned it it ran really rough with no power and bad idle on my way home from work. I drove it a few more times and something just wasn't right with the engine and acceleration. Then last Saturday I loaded up my bike and was headed south on the 5 fwy and my new truck with 300 miles on the odometer lost all acceleration and power and rapidly slowed down and idled really rough that shook the truck. I pulled onto the shoulder and it never did run right. So I called Ford roadside assistance to tow my truck to a Ford dealer. Dealer has had my truck for 9 days now and they still don't know what the problem is. They ordered a new wiring harness for the fuel injection and will replace that tomorrow to see if that fixes it. If that doesn't fix it, I will have a serious discussion with the dealer GM to buy back my truck and give me my money back! Or will involve my Lawyer. First Ford I've ever owned and it's been a POS since the 2nd day I owned it. Not at all pleased with the F150 echo boost. Ford is paying for a rental truck until they fix my truck. I've now driven the 2014 Chevy 1500 Silverado LT more miles than I've driven my New F150. So far I prefer the Chevy, at least it runs!
1/13/2014 9:39pm
twizzler wrote:
I bought a new 2013 xlt with the 3.5 Eco boost 4 weeks ago. The 2nd day I owned it it ran really rough with no...
I bought a new 2013 xlt with the 3.5 Eco boost 4 weeks ago. The 2nd day I owned it it ran really rough with no power and bad idle on my way home from work. I drove it a few more times and something just wasn't right with the engine and acceleration. Then last Saturday I loaded up my bike and was headed south on the 5 fwy and my new truck with 300 miles on the odometer lost all acceleration and power and rapidly slowed down and idled really rough that shook the truck. I pulled onto the shoulder and it never did run right. So I called Ford roadside assistance to tow my truck to a Ford dealer. Dealer has had my truck for 9 days now and they still don't know what the problem is. They ordered a new wiring harness for the fuel injection and will replace that tomorrow to see if that fixes it. If that doesn't fix it, I will have a serious discussion with the dealer GM to buy back my truck and give me my money back! Or will involve my Lawyer. First Ford I've ever owned and it's been a POS since the 2nd day I owned it. Not at all pleased with the F150 echo boost. Ford is paying for a rental truck until they fix my truck. I've now driven the 2014 Chevy 1500 Silverado LT more miles than I've driven my New F150. So far I prefer the Chevy, at least it runs!
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