New Mx vs Atv footage

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1/11/2014 4:38am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2014 4:41am
Got two erections. The first when I red about guys involved since Motocross Madness, and second, when they want to make it available also for mac.

I always wondered the same, millions of awesome games about football, soccer, NBA, Formula 1 and whenever i start thinking about a good SX game, I still remember Motocross Madness 2 and MX vs.ATV Unleashed.

Is that difficult to make a supercross games (with real or fake names, I don't care) and make it thru seasons and 16 races per season?
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1/11/2014 5:30am
That footage looks like shit. Wheelie tap the entire set of whoops?
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1/11/2014 5:36am
RealityZ wrote:
I'm happy that someone is continuing the franchise, but the step backwards from Reflex to Alive makes no sense. Reflex launched forward by MILES with track...
I'm happy that someone is continuing the franchise, but the step backwards from Reflex to Alive makes no sense.

Reflex launched forward by MILES with track deformation, making every race different, not to mention the best gameplay and physics to be seen(weighing outside peg etc) and carrying speed after landing from a high speed jump. I'll buy this new game but Reflex will standalone as the best MX game until its characteristics are brought back
rmzrider91 wrote:
Exactly right
I agree. Even with its warts (awkward rider positioning, taunting, castles, lack of sx tracks) I thought they were on the right track. Give me Alive with better rider physics, more tracks (and the option to add tracks via DLC) and I'd be happy. That James Stewart complex is what is capable with this game. If that is the standard by which they build this game, its gonna be ok.
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1/11/2014 5:59am
How about some tracks for reflex? i wont be buying anything that has to do with ALIVE, ill just wait for that new mxgp game and hopefully the all new version in 2015 mx.vs atv. has more of a reflex touch.

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1/11/2014 6:16am
How about some tracks for reflex? i wont be buying anything that has to do with ALIVE, ill just wait for that new mxgp game and...
How about some tracks for reflex? i wont be buying anything that has to do with ALIVE, ill just wait for that new mxgp game and hopefully the all new version in 2015 mx.vs atv. has more of a reflex touch.
This.

Hey everyone, don't go encouraging these guys to invest in this series by buying this game. Make sure they really don't see any value in our market until they release the perfect game. /sarcasm

Is it going to have the same shortcomings as alive? Yes. Is it worth the $10 or whatever to show them that this market segment is hungry for new content? Absolutely. Most people here seem to lack that basic grasp of economics...
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1/11/2014 6:43am
How about some tracks for reflex? i wont be buying anything that has to do with ALIVE, ill just wait for that new mxgp game and...
How about some tracks for reflex? i wont be buying anything that has to do with ALIVE, ill just wait for that new mxgp game and hopefully the all new version in 2015 mx.vs atv. has more of a reflex touch.
Grieby54 wrote:
This. Hey everyone, don't go encouraging these guys to invest in this series by buying this game. Make sure they really don't see any value in...
This.

Hey everyone, don't go encouraging these guys to invest in this series by buying this game. Make sure they really don't see any value in our market until they release the perfect game. /sarcasm

Is it going to have the same shortcomings as alive? Yes. Is it worth the $10 or whatever to show them that this market segment is hungry for new content? Absolutely. Most people here seem to lack that basic grasp of economics...
They should ditch alive completely and launch a track pack for reflex.
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1/11/2014 6:45am
mmcmx wrote:
They should ditch alive completely and launch a track pack for reflex.
They should make a game that feels exactly like riding a dirtbike and give it away for free.


But they aren't. So let's support what they do to encourage them to develop the series.
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1/11/2014 7:18am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
FYI That footage is like 2 yrs old. It's in the other thread.
I shot that footage last night, but thanks for playing. Wink
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1/11/2014 7:19am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Looks like he's doing a free ride on the SX track judging by the "Long Jump" in the top right. Looks good, and IMO is exactly...
Looks like he's doing a free ride on the SX track judging by the "Long Jump" in the top right. Looks good, and IMO is exactly what I think they should have done. Business wise, it makes more sense to pump out the SX for Alive they had acquired from THQ, get some $$ rolling in with that, THEN work on building a new game.
Correct on the free ride.
1/11/2014 7:39am
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action gets blurry/animated the faster you go.....there is no timing.....just hope for the right speed to downside.....that game was JUNK in all forms. Just because they made an accurate replica of Bubba's house doesn't mean it was good game play. Reflex was made for the hardcore fan......gyro.......proportionately sized everything, fun sx and mx racing.....some bad crash effects but once you get good they were a non issue. It just sucked during the learning curve. The only other thing they did bad with reflex was stop the updates. Dave
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1/11/2014 8:03am
It's not opinion, it's simply a fact. Reflex is the superior game. Alive has some qualities that worked, but there are physics that ruin it. From the video, it does seem they may be heading in Alive's direction. If so, we can only hope they hear from someone who can encourage them to acquire the code for Reflex -- they can correct the sliding out, easy crashes, and sound. They can even improve it. Either that or take Alive back in that direction.
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1/11/2014 8:24am
why cant we bring back mcm2 physics when it was modded as a new game in the future? i mean people had that stuff so dialed later on when the "hacked" in and made mod physics and such. game was tits, tracks was tits, online community was tits. zoneracing.com! and mcmfactory.com!!!! good old days
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1/11/2014 8:24am
All they need to do is improve upon Reflex, build more tracks, add a few more features, and the game would be awesome. Alive was horrible.

Perfect example of how the PC community is evolving the game with new tracks.

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1/11/2014 8:57am
some of the best tracks Ive played is back in MM2 days
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It's not opinion, it's simply a fact. Reflex is the superior game. Alive has some qualities that worked, but there are physics that ruin it. From...
It's not opinion, it's simply a fact. Reflex is the superior game. Alive has some qualities that worked, but there are physics that ruin it. From the video, it does seem they may be heading in Alive's direction. If so, we can only hope they hear from someone who can encourage them to acquire the code for Reflex -- they can correct the sliding out, easy crashes, and sound. They can even improve it. Either that or take Alive back in that direction.
The whole game review is based on your own opinions, so it couldn't possibly be a fact that one game is better than the other. People have different opinions. Reflex was left in pieces for Nordic, so I'd be very surprised if they're able to do anything with it. I feel like Alive was rushed out the door, which makes it feel like crap. I agree that Reflex was a lot better, but clearly a lot of people think Alive is a lot better.

I could handle Alive a lot more if there wasn't any preload setup. It should just automatically be incorporated with what you do with the riders weight on the reflex stick. I didn't like that you could preload and absolutely launch yourself. However, you need to be able to seat bounce and lean back off of jumps, but I just hate the preload factor. I like the clutch feature, but it should be a lot smoother. In reflex the clutch did jack. I hated the rider physics, how he seems like he's 7 feet tall and always sitting down, complete with the shouting and waving his fists at other riders and turning around after passing them. That's retarded arcade crap. I also feel that the physics need to be smoother. Others have complained about harsh landing, which I agree with, but it also kind of feels like you're dragging a weight around the track. The scale of Alive is closer to reality, but the fun factor of alive was significantly less than Reflex for those reasons stated above, along with the fact of a complete lack of career mode and supercross tracks.
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1/11/2014 9:11am
Why don't you guys play MXS? It's so much more fun than any of the MVA games.
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1/11/2014 9:26am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
FYI That footage is like 2 yrs old. It's in the other thread.
GuyB wrote:
I shot that footage last night, but thanks for playing. Wink
My bad he said "that build" was 2 yrs old. Which I'm assuming means it's an original Alive build?
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1/11/2014 10:48am
Alive was not good at all Reflex was amazing. I hope they don't go the way that video look's like
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1/11/2014 10:51am
Markee wrote:
That footage looks like shit. Wheelie tap the entire set of whoops?
I don't know if I call that wheelie tap. Maybe I'd call it "the physics are so shitty you can hover above the whoops while doing a wheelie".
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1/11/2014 10:52am
Surely somebody from the team has to have stumbled upon this thread. Please read and understand my words. ALIVE SUCKED! If you release a game anything like Alive, IT WILL BE SHIT!!!
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1/11/2014 10:56am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2014 10:57am
mx836 wrote:
Surely somebody from the team has to have stumbled upon this thread. Please read and understand my words. ALIVE SUCKED! If you release a game anything...
Surely somebody from the team has to have stumbled upon this thread. Please read and understand my words. ALIVE SUCKED! If you release a game anything like Alive, IT WILL BE SHIT!!!
I agree better then no game at all though much rather have it just like reflex just update and fix the bug's.
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1/11/2014 11:02am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2014 11:03am
What if they make a track editor and anyone can download created tracks made by other players for free? I think that would be awesome.

Also can we have some better music please? I wasn't too fond of the music in the last two..
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1/11/2014 11:04am
jemcee wrote:
I'm hoping it's not gonna have the two toggle steering set up cause I can't play it if it does! and that sucks the dong
I know a kid with one arm that can play with 2 sticks and he does a pretty damn good job beating lots of able moto riders.
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1/11/2014 11:07am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2014 11:09am
mx836 wrote:
Surely somebody from the team has to have stumbled upon this thread. Please read and understand my words. ALIVE SUCKED! If you release a game anything...
Surely somebody from the team has to have stumbled upon this thread. Please read and understand my words. ALIVE SUCKED! If you release a game anything like Alive, IT WILL BE SHIT!!!
cjg23307 wrote:
I agree better then no game at all though much rather have it just like reflex just update and fix the bug's.
Yes. With that said, I do appreciate that someone is taking over and I will reserve judgement until I see the new game. You can bet your ass I will be getting the Alive SX tracks too, even though I still won't play it. I have no interest in video games other than MX so I'm really hoping they get the series back on track.
1/11/2014 11:08am
Not everyone thinks Reflex is better. So it is hardly a fact that it is superior. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but no one can assume that all people prefer one or the other. Alive's JS7 stuff kills anything in Reflex. IN MY OPINION, of course. Overall, yes Reflex is better due to content but again it was because the Alive series got pulled with half a game.

But guys......can we PLEASE stop with the Reflex is better or Alive is better banter. Fact of the matter is this. Nordic formed a team to basically bring the franchise back to life. In less than 1 year they bought the IP, got all the paperwork done, collected the data (along with several other game's IPs) and even formed a new team made of some of the best of the old developing team. And they got a studio, got the equipment and are currently getting it all up and running. That is amazing that they did that in this time frame!

They want something out quickly to satisfy the fans who have had nothing new MX wise except MUD (which I think was good...just too arcade...and MXGP looks to be great). It just MAKES SENSE that they finish the tracks that were nearly done for Alive and then of course tweak it and work out Alive's kinks. Then that will generate interest and revenue for them to look forward to 2015 and the next FULL MVA game. This is a small studio without the huge corporate THQ behind it. I know some like Reflex but what is done for SX is probably 80% done (I don't know this for sure, just surmising by what some have said). The unreleased Alive Supercross tracks. It just makes sense to release this and tweak the engine. Anything Reflex related (with the different....unrealistic track scale, mind you)....would have to be built fresh. We would have nothing till 2015 and might not even get that. The new SX game should generate revenue and interest to get Nordic to continue the series.

What Nordic and the new Rainbow team (whatever they will be called) is doing makes PERFECT sense. Can we just give them support and good ideas for this game and the next incarnation and please stop the nonstop...bring back Reflex talk. I don't want Alive again and I damn sure don't want Reflex again. I want something better. BUT I JUST WANT SOMETIHNG! LOL!! The only good tracks in Alive was the JS7 stuff but it was superb. That is the benchmark and if they aim for that and get that or better we will have an excellent game, better than either Alive or Reflex.

Either way, we are in a niche market and all I can say is that for a couple of years we had zilch...nada...on MX console gaming. I'm thankful for both Nordic and Milestone for making these games. Constructive criticism will go much farther than just ridiculing the series and wanting a pretty overrated game back.
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1/11/2014 11:16am Edited Date/Time 1/11/2014 12:26pm
The only ones who doesn't think that reflex was better must had sucked. At least with that game you knew who suck, was semi good, and great. With alive everyone is the same speed until a person crashes.
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1/11/2014 11:29am
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action...
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action gets blurry/animated the faster you go.....there is no timing.....just hope for the right speed to downside.....that game was JUNK in all forms. Just because they made an accurate replica of Bubba's house doesn't mean it was good game play. Reflex was made for the hardcore fan......gyro.......proportionately sized everything, fun sx and mx racing.....some bad crash effects but once you get good they were a non issue. It just sucked during the learning curve. The only other thing they did bad with reflex was stop the updates. Dave
Proportionately sized everything? You lost all validity after that.
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1/11/2014 11:33am
bobby397 wrote:
The only ones who doesn't think that reflex was better must had sucked. At least with that game you knew who suck, was semi good, and...
The only ones who doesn't think that reflex was better must had sucked. At least with that game you knew who suck, was semi good, and great. With alive everyone is the same speed until a person crashes.
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1/11/2014 11:39am
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action...
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action gets blurry/animated the faster you go.....there is no timing.....just hope for the right speed to downside.....that game was JUNK in all forms. Just because they made an accurate replica of Bubba's house doesn't mean it was good game play. Reflex was made for the hardcore fan......gyro.......proportionately sized everything, fun sx and mx racing.....some bad crash effects but once you get good they were a non issue. It just sucked during the learning curve. The only other thing they did bad with reflex was stop the updates. Dave
2thefront wrote:
Proportionately sized everything? You lost all validity after that.
Reflex proportionally sized??

Hmmm....okay, whatever you say.
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1/11/2014 11:43am
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action...
Are fuggin kidding me......Alive is junk.....over animated....even the stewart compound sucks........it looks cool.....until you hit the gas button......then all goes to hell. ......really? The racing action gets blurry/animated the faster you go.....there is no timing.....just hope for the right speed to downside.....that game was JUNK in all forms. Just because they made an accurate replica of Bubba's house doesn't mean it was good game play. Reflex was made for the hardcore fan......gyro.......proportionately sized everything, fun sx and mx racing.....some bad crash effects but once you get good they were a non issue. It just sucked during the learning curve. The only other thing they did bad with reflex was stop the updates. Dave
2thefront wrote:
Proportionately sized everything? You lost all validity after that.
Reflex proportionally sized??

Hmmm....okay, whatever you say.
It was proportionally right in terms of the game its self.... Bike size/rider size/track (Reflex)

Not guys who are 6'5 Riding 80s on a arenacross track (alive)

I will be honest, Id rather play UNTAMED, with the flying scud missles than play alive again.

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