2014 KTM 250SX

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Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late model KTM and could lend any insight into what they need to really work (engine/suspension). I'll set the squish and clean up the intake ports but other than that what have you guys done?
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10/31/2013 3:09pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late...
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late model KTM and could lend any insight into what they need to really work (engine/suspension). I'll set the squish and clean up the intake ports but other than that what have you guys done?
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything

the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard

and then ride it
10/31/2013 3:09pm
Digger29 is the one u need to here from, he's got this bike dialed!
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I'm a 172 lb B rider. I've had some bad luck at regionals for Loretta's in the past and I'm hoping that this year I'll catch a break and make it. I have the speed of my little brother and he ran top tens in B this yearly the ranch, so I am definitely having the suspension done.
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10/31/2013 3:15pm
bro, first thing you do with it is put an FMF shorty on that beast. not even lying, it's a night and day difference. you can thank me later.

then you gotta rrevv that sucker, you gotta revvv that sucker right over that triple jump

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10/31/2013 3:23pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late...
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late model KTM and could lend any insight into what they need to really work (engine/suspension). I'll set the squish and clean up the intake ports but other than that what have you guys done?
twosmoke30 wrote:
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard...
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything

the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard

and then ride it
Pretty much agree with this. What kind of bike were you riding previously? How tall are you?

Ive got '13 150sx and 250sx. These were my first KTMs ever, and I am coming from 2009 YZFs. Both KTM motors are perfect, and I was pleasantly surprised with the WP setups as well (I was expecting something worse than my YZF SSS with all the bad press the WP stuff gets, but I actually feel better with the 13 WP stuff than the 09 YZ SSS stuff when both were setup correctly).

The only thing that Ive changed on both bikes, is for comfort/ergos. Im only 170lbs, but a tall 6'3" and felt more cramped on the KTMs than any bike I rode previously. I got the extended shifter and brake pedal, the fastway pegs (low setting) and threw on some taller twinwalls, now the bikes are absolutely amazing.

Oh, and by the way, they like race gas!
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10/31/2013 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 10/31/2013 3:40pm
I'm on a couple rm 250's now but have had an 11 KXF450, a 2010 KTM 250sx, and on and on. I'm definitely going to get that FMF system, and on my 10 I had the head milled, oval bored the carb and did the porting and squish myself. It was an absolute rocket, and I believe the motors are comparable so I've got a feel for that end. I'm just worried about the chassis and suspension I guess. Like you said, there is a lot of bad press about the WP stuff, but I fought with my '10 a lot mainly because of the PDS shock. It's comforting to know the new WP stuff compares with the SSS because I was contemplating a YZ250 for a while.
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10/31/2013 3:45pm
MxKing809 wrote:
I'm on a couple rm 250's now but have had an 11 KXF450, a 2010 KTM 250sx, and on and on. I'm definitely going to get...
I'm on a couple rm 250's now but have had an 11 KXF450, a 2010 KTM 250sx, and on and on. I'm definitely going to get that FMF system, and on my 10 I had the head milled, oval bored the carb and did the porting and squish myself. It was an absolute rocket, and I believe the motors are comparable so I've got a feel for that end. I'm just worried about the chassis and suspension I guess. Like you said, there is a lot of bad press about the WP stuff, but I fought with my '10 a lot mainly because of the PDS shock. It's comforting to know the new WP stuff compares with the SSS because I was contemplating a YZ250 for a while.
300 kit is a real 450 getter.
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10/31/2013 3:46pm
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I'm on a couple rm 250's now but have had an 11 KXF450, a 2010 KTM 250sx, and on and on. I'm definitely going to get...
I'm on a couple rm 250's now but have had an 11 KXF450, a 2010 KTM 250sx, and on and on. I'm definitely going to get that FMF system, and on my 10 I had the head milled, oval bored the carb and did the porting and squish myself. It was an absolute rocket, and I believe the motors are comparable so I've got a feel for that end. I'm just worried about the chassis and suspension I guess. Like you said, there is a lot of bad press about the WP stuff, but I fought with my '10 a lot mainly because of the PDS shock. It's comforting to know the new WP stuff compares with the SSS because I was contemplating a YZ250 for a while.
Ya like I said, the WP stuff on my 13s felt better than my 09 SSS stuff on the the yamahas.

Also good to know you are coming off RM250s, because the conventional steel frames turn somewhat similar, but the KTMs feel more stable at speed. I used to ride RMs back in 02-04 and still believe them to be the best handling motocross bikes Ive ever ridden. Again, my ONLY complaints with my KTM SXs after a hard year on them is the overall space for taller riders. Theyve seemed to hold up very well too.
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10/31/2013 3:49pm
Not sure about the '14 but the '12 and '13 were both jetted horribly. Fat on the pilot and lean on the main and the needle just didn't cut it.

From what TSM said it sounds like they must have stiffened up the suspension quite a bit. My '12 was way soft in the front.

Do a search on here in the shop forum and maybe on this one and see what Digger29 said about his jetting. Do the same search on ktmtalk. Be careful though. Lots of guys don't know what they are talking about.
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10/31/2013 4:13pm
Go look up the 250 SX shifter fix videos on youtube and make sure you have all the parts and tools ready. I had the clutch side cover off almost as many times as I rode the bike.
10/31/2013 4:42pm
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bro, first thing you do with it is put an FMF shorty on that beast. not even lying, it's a night and day difference. you can...
bro, first thing you do with it is put an FMF shorty on that beast. not even lying, it's a night and day difference. you can thank me later.

then you gotta rrevv that sucker, you gotta revvv that sucker right over that triple jump
10/31/2013 5:45pm
Hopstopid, u must of set up or 09 bad, cause the wp isn't even comparable to the kyb sss. I had 09 yamis, they had unbelievable suspenders. I'm a huge KTM fan ever since I got my 1st one in 2011 I had a 250sx, I had a 12,13, now I have a dungey replica.I've had alotta revalves with them.none of them compare to my kyb sss revalved by enzo. I finally made the best section since buying ktms. I bought online forks n shock, sold my wp for $1500. Now I absolutely love my bikes!I'm not saying u can't get them to work well, but they aren't in the same ball park as kyb sss.
10/31/2013 5:49pm
I have a brand new wp shock off my 13.5 dungey bike for anyone who wants a extra shock. Any reasonable offer will be accepted. TeX me 848 210 2782
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10/31/2013 6:24pm
peelout wrote:
bro, first thing you do with it is put an FMF shorty on that beast. not even lying, it's a night and day difference. you can...
bro, first thing you do with it is put an FMF shorty on that beast. not even lying, it's a night and day difference. you can thank me later.

then you gotta rrevv that sucker, you gotta revvv that sucker right over that triple jump
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Who played the part of Elvis?
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My father-in-law is somewhat of a guru on KTM Talk when it comes to jetting, he goes by the handle FredT ..... I'll probably run one of my RM needles.... I liked it in my '10 KTM. I'm just concerned about the suspension I guess, and that they'll (Yam or KTM) will release something new injection wise and F me over with a new 14
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10/31/2013 7:28pm
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Who played the part of Elvis?
Metzger!
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The '14 has much better/slightly richer jetting & I'd hold off on changing the head: KTM already did that.
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Metzger!
Ah! Well that makes it all even funnier!
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I bought a 13 when the 14s hit the floor and I'm still dialing mine in (only 10 hours on it) but:

-I put the soft pv spring in
-fattened up the main jet from 160 to a 172
-dropped needle a clip
-Still haven't done too much to the suspension other than sag and few clickers but still dialing that in.

Coming off of a YZ, I can say that the suspension is NOT bad out of the box. Some people act like it's a huge pos and you need Ohlins or some A kit shit which isn't the case.

I want to get PC exhaust as I am told by several people that it helps the topend/over rev better than fmf system.
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Digger29 is the one u need to here from, he's got this bike dialed!
This^^ He spent a ton of time last year massaging that thing to a work of art. I beleive he spent a ton of time with John Dowds old mechanic working out the kinks.

I know mxa loves the intellajet carb system on their 250sxs. They also have done some thorough testing and wouldn't be a bad place to start.

My cousin had the 13 250sx last year. Just had the fmf shorty/factory fatty, redid the jetting and suspension and ran race gas and the bike ripped.
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11/1/2013 8:35am Edited Date/Time 11/1/2013 8:36am
seth505 wrote:
I bought a 13 when the 14s hit the floor and I'm still dialing mine in (only 10 hours on it) but: -I put the soft...
I bought a 13 when the 14s hit the floor and I'm still dialing mine in (only 10 hours on it) but:

-I put the soft pv spring in
-fattened up the main jet from 160 to a 172
-dropped needle a clip
-Still haven't done too much to the suspension other than sag and few clickers but still dialing that in.

Coming off of a YZ, I can say that the suspension is NOT bad out of the box. Some people act like it's a huge pos and you need Ohlins or some A kit shit which isn't the case.

I want to get PC exhaust as I am told by several people that it helps the topend/over rev better than fmf system.
tomato tomahto i guess.

PC was always good on my YZ's growing up, but i never liked the pingy sound on the 125's and 250's.

the FMF creates tons of bottom to mid without losing the top and the sound of my 300 will send shivers down even the biggest 4-broke diehard's neck
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11/1/2013 8:51am
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I bought a 13 when the 14s hit the floor and I'm still dialing mine in (only 10 hours on it) but: -I put the soft...
I bought a 13 when the 14s hit the floor and I'm still dialing mine in (only 10 hours on it) but:

-I put the soft pv spring in
-fattened up the main jet from 160 to a 172
-dropped needle a clip
-Still haven't done too much to the suspension other than sag and few clickers but still dialing that in.

Coming off of a YZ, I can say that the suspension is NOT bad out of the box. Some people act like it's a huge pos and you need Ohlins or some A kit shit which isn't the case.

I want to get PC exhaust as I am told by several people that it helps the topend/over rev better than fmf system.
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tomato tomahto i guess. PC was always good on my YZ's growing up, but i never liked the pingy sound on the 125's and 250's. the...
tomato tomahto i guess.

PC was always good on my YZ's growing up, but i never liked the pingy sound on the 125's and 250's.

the FMF creates tons of bottom to mid without losing the top and the sound of my 300 will send shivers down even the biggest 4-broke diehard's neck
Word, I liked fmf on my yz250 a lot as well. I just feel this sx has a GNARLY midrange and then signs off kind of early. I'd love to try a 300 like yours and see how the power delivery is, haven't been on one yet.
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Peelout, did you get the 300sxs kit? I had that baby in a online shopping cart a few times for my 2010 but never pulled the trigger. What do you think of her?
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Peelout, did you get the 300sxs kit? I had that baby in a online shopping cart a few times for my 2010 but never pulled the...
Peelout, did you get the 300sxs kit? I had that baby in a online shopping cart a few times for my 2010 but never pulled the trigger. What do you think of her?
yeah mine is the 300sx kit on the 250xc. i absolutely love it, i have nothing but good to say. my good friend has the '13 250sx and it was great but lacking from mid to top (in my opinion) but the bottom was a rocket. i put the shorty on mine and it is very very close to having the same on bottom as the 250sx, but it absolutely pulls from mid to top. what i love about mine is that it rips on the track, but with the heavy flywheel and xc gearing, it's a blast on the single-track and in the hills. it is by far the best all-around do everything bike that i've ever ridden.

put that 300 kit back in your cart and hit submit, you wont regret it.
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11/1/2013 11:47am
MxKing809 wrote:
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late...
Hey guys, I'll be getting my new KTM in the next couple months and wanted to see if any of the Vitards have had a late model KTM and could lend any insight into what they need to really work (engine/suspension). I'll set the squish and clean up the intake ports but other than that what have you guys done?
twosmoke30 wrote:
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard...
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything

the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard

and then ride it
HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Pretty much agree with this. What kind of bike were you riding previously? How tall are you? Ive got '13 150sx and 250sx. These were my...
Pretty much agree with this. What kind of bike were you riding previously? How tall are you?

Ive got '13 150sx and 250sx. These were my first KTMs ever, and I am coming from 2009 YZFs. Both KTM motors are perfect, and I was pleasantly surprised with the WP setups as well (I was expecting something worse than my YZF SSS with all the bad press the WP stuff gets, but I actually feel better with the 13 WP stuff than the 09 YZ SSS stuff when both were setup correctly).

The only thing that Ive changed on both bikes, is for comfort/ergos. Im only 170lbs, but a tall 6'3" and felt more cramped on the KTMs than any bike I rode previously. I got the extended shifter and brake pedal, the fastway pegs (low setting) and threw on some taller twinwalls, now the bikes are absolutely amazing.

Oh, and by the way, they like race gas!
Can you post apic, and maybe tell me where you got that extended brake pedal?
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11/1/2013 12:23pm
twosmoke30 wrote:
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard...
honestly unless you're super fast or super heavy the suspension really doenst need anything

the engine doesnt either, just throw whatever PV spring you prefer soft/medium/hard

and then ride it
HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Pretty much agree with this. What kind of bike were you riding previously? How tall are you? Ive got '13 150sx and 250sx. These were my...
Pretty much agree with this. What kind of bike were you riding previously? How tall are you?

Ive got '13 150sx and 250sx. These were my first KTMs ever, and I am coming from 2009 YZFs. Both KTM motors are perfect, and I was pleasantly surprised with the WP setups as well (I was expecting something worse than my YZF SSS with all the bad press the WP stuff gets, but I actually feel better with the 13 WP stuff than the 09 YZ SSS stuff when both were setup correctly).

The only thing that Ive changed on both bikes, is for comfort/ergos. Im only 170lbs, but a tall 6'3" and felt more cramped on the KTMs than any bike I rode previously. I got the extended shifter and brake pedal, the fastway pegs (low setting) and threw on some taller twinwalls, now the bikes are absolutely amazing.

Oh, and by the way, they like race gas!
Can you post apic, and maybe tell me where you got that extended brake pedal?
Nihilo Concepts. Best stuff out there for big and little KTMs.

http://www.nihiloconcepts.com/Extended_Rear_Brake_Tip_KTM_p/nerbt-o.htm

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The new husky TC 250 looks pretty bad ass, and I like the rear end more than the jagged KTM number plates. Other than plastic and the composite sub frame they're identical bikes correct? I might just get one of them to be different
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11/1/2013 1:48pm
Lucky bastard! I bought my 07 new in 08 when no one was riding them. Other then pipe silencer I switched the power valve spring to green. Ride the piss outta it!

Nothing was wrong with the bike but I did a ground up refresh/rebuild on it last winter.









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11/1/2013 1:52pm
very cool!

i think i'll do that to mine this winter

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very cool! i think i'll do that to mine this winter [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/11/01/35509/s1200_IMAG0425.jpg[/img]
very cool!

i think i'll do that to mine this winter

Replaced every bearing on the chassis, and replaced the crank bearings for piece of mind even though they ended up being fine. A local custom chopper place did the powder coating. Right around $1000 for everything I replaced.

I also bought a soda blaster and cleaned up the engine (removed all the dirt stains).

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