Is Sx,Mx desintigrating??

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Edited Date/Time 1/23/2012 9:38am
There seems to be way too many problems in our sport right now. To me it seems like everything is goin downhill with our sport and nothing seems to be getting better.
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Motodave wrote:
There seems to be way too many problems in our sport right now. To me it seems like everything is goin downhill with our sport and...
There seems to be way too many problems in our sport right now. To me it seems like everything is goin downhill with our sport and nothing seems to be getting better.
Things could be better for sure but SX attendance was good last year and I am looking forward to the Nationals next year probably more than I ever have.

On the downside, most of us probably don't realize to just what extent how little SX/MX means to the guy walking down the street. The reality is we're a niche sport pretty much off the public's radar.
Everybody's Workinn' For 8/29/2008 7:21pm
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Things could be better for sure but SX attendance was good last year and I am looking forward to the Nationals next year probably more than...
Things could be better for sure but SX attendance was good last year and I am looking forward to the Nationals next year probably more than I ever have.

On the downside, most of us probably don't realize to just what extent how little SX/MX means to the guy walking down the street. The reality is we're a niche sport pretty much off the public's radar.
Thats exactly how I feel.
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That's why I feel the X-games and crap like that are so important to the sport. Without it we might entirely be forgotten.

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FastEddy 8/29/2008 7:29pm
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I hope ESPN are the ones inquiring about buying Supercross. Smile
If anyone can save the sport and take it to new levels ...it is them.
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I hope ESPN are the ones inquiring about buying Supercross. If anyone can save the sport and take it to new levels ...it is them.
I hope ESPN are the ones inquiring about buying Supercross. Smile
If anyone can save the sport and take it to new levels ...it is them.
that would be cool..what a boost
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FastEddy wrote:
I hope ESPN are the ones inquiring about buying Supercross. If anyone can save the sport and take it to new levels ...it is them.
I hope ESPN are the ones inquiring about buying Supercross. Smile
If anyone can save the sport and take it to new levels ...it is them.
+1

How's the fishing been going?
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freestyle is where its at!
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FastEddy 8/29/2008 7:56pm
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The Rock wrote:
+1

How's the fishing been going?
Fishing has been decent for the most part.
Thanks for asking.
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Sinbad wrote:
That's why I feel the X-games and crap like that are so important to the sport. Without it we might entirely be forgotten.
moto was good when we were unknown.
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Why does everyone insist mx become totally mainstream?
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It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
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Sinbad 8/29/2008 8:49pm
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todder wrote:
Why does everyone insist mx become totally mainstream?
I would like to see the people that are really involved do a bit better for themselves. No I'm not talking about James Stewart I'm talking about the other guys. It would be nice to see them make a bit more money.
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MrDasher wrote:
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you...
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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MrDasher wrote:
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you...
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
Sondy132001 wrote:
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap...
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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I don't exactly think bull riding is "mainstream". If you ask a kid who there hero is most likely they will say it is a Pro football, basketball, or baseball player. I doubt they say Andrew Short or some midget wearing chapps and a cowboy hat. Or George Bush for that matter.
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MrDasher wrote:
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you...
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
Sondy132001 wrote:
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap...
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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i've never met ANYONE into bullriding.
that's the dumbest comparison ever!
rockcrawlerdude 8/29/2008 9:23pm
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MrDasher wrote:
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you...
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
Sondy132001 wrote:
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap...
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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KTM boy 137 wrote:
i've never met ANYONE into bullriding.
that's the dumbest comparison ever!
i have met a few folks who are into it (PBR)... funny is some of them are MX riders too!
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Sondy132001 8/29/2008 9:27pm
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KTM boy 137 wrote:
i've never met ANYONE into bullriding.
that's the dumbest comparison ever!
Gee what a surprise negative nelli chimed in. First off LiveNation is the promoter, secondly think outside the box...every one of their events is sold out, their purses have quadrupled over the past 3-4 years, they have excellent tv coverage and they are main stream, and their events are watched by people who don't ride bulls, it's a solid building block that the mx industry can learn from. The bull riders are in control of their own best interest and they are all making kick ass money. Sponsorships are through the roof also.



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funny thing about bull riders is they know they're going down. Mx? maybe, maybe not.
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I met a pro bullrider once, I said isn't that kind of dangerous. He asked what I did and I told him I raced motocross.

He said, "you guys are nuts". I had to laugh

I guess danger is relative. If we crash a bike and it stays out of our way, at least it doesn't turn around and come back for us.

I wonder if they complain about the clowns the way we complain about the flaggers.
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Sondy132001 wrote:
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap...
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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Sondra is right on the money.

"Marketing and tv coverage" has done wonders for many sports and socalled sports.

Look what ESPN has done with Spelling Bees, Hot Dog Eating Contests and Professional Bass fishing (which i might add is not cheap and even to compete at a local level most guys have 20k to 60k out of their pockets, just for a decent newer boat to be on the water -entry fees are huge and gas & oil cost a fortune and maintaining a boat can be very spendy at times-yet the sport continues to grow,because of the coverage it gets and how it is marketed).
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The price of PBR tickets are 3 or more times that of a SX ticket. And the PBR events practically sell out every time. And the PBR event that those people paid more $$ for is only 2 hours long. That should tell you something about marketing.
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FreshTopEnd 8/29/2008 11:45pm
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Well, when we get 8 second motos with a high probability of a crash, and 20 starts in an hour or less, then mx will appeal to short attention spans like PBR does.


We can learn from it, especially marketing, but some of what makes it work is hard to translate to MX IMO. What we can do is make the racing better so that every moto, captured well on television, presents more exciting moments than what wer're seeing now.


If I'm a boxing fan, I can appreciate two gifted fighters working patiently; if I'm a casual fan, I want to see someone get hit, and soon and often.


We have to present close racing the same way.
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Rim Lock 8/30/2008 12:58am
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OMG!

I wish some of you kids could have been around 20+ years ago when the only prayer we had of watching moto on tv was the USGP at Carlbad at about a 6 week tape delay.

The only mags around were Dirt Bike and the newly founded MXA.

Hasn't been that many years ago that there was a 1-800 number that you called and paid for just to find out who won the races that night.

MX and SX have taken amazing leaps towards mainstream and we should all be thankful that it didn't just go bezerk or we would have lost it a long time ago when the internet came around.

F-1 and rally cars are cool as hell but will never be mainstream either.
Get over it and enjoy what you have.
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Rim Lock 8/30/2008 2:19am
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I thought you were just drunk when you posted.

I had no idea you rode bulls.

You are excused and have my respect. There is nothing right with riding bulls.
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Right on oldfart.

If you grew up in the right area, riding bulls is the equivalent of playing basketball in the inner city. You don't need to own a court, or even a ball, but there's someplace you can go do it.

My dad was a PRCA cowboy. My brother grew up riding bulls. I grew up riding bareback broncs. I was a State bareback riding champ when I was a kid.

Riding bulls was not kind to my brother's body. I stayed away from them.

Dad was disappointed when I hung up my spurs and took up a safe sport like MX.
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I'm not optimistic about SX/MX's future. First, it's OK on TV but it doesn't look the same on TV as it does in person - you don't get a sense of the speed outdoors or the height of the jumps indoors. Football and baseball, by contrast, look better on TV. Second, it's not really very competitive. You pretty much know before the start who's going to win. Sure, us moto fans love to watch a good battle for 5th, but the average spectator doesn't.

I don't mind the sport being a niche sport that is only appreciated by participants. Fine with me. But that puts a pretty low ceiling on how much money will be available in the sport.

I'm always back to the Dick Mann quote - "Motocross isn't a sport for the average spectator. The average spectator wants to sit in a comfortable seat with a cold beer and a hot hot dog and just move his eyes to watch the game. He doesn't want to trudge up and down hills and slog through the mud all day. He might do it once a year, but he won't do it every week." And once you've seen SX, you've seen it. In a way, it's like freestyle a little bit. Once you've seen a backflip over a 100' gap, it's like, OK, what else is there?
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Few things:

-The coolest acronym for PBR: Pabst Blue Ribbon

-Imagine what our sport would look like right now if Monster & Toyota pulled the plug

-MX will never die, it will just never be neckcar or the NFL

-Going "mainstream" is good for the industry and terrible for the grassroots, core fan.

-ESPN X Games is the best sponsor opportunity for sponsors/teams. I will lay down odds that more "outsiders" know names like Burkhart/Hansen/Ward over Ferry/Short/Tedesco.

Teams are retarded not to do SX/ESPN only deals. Thats coming from a die hard outdoor national lover. Fan wise I"m outdoor only for life, Business wise: Sx/X games/Reeds SX is the only thing that makes sense. If I"m signing a guy its for sx events and espn supermoto/sx events.


No discredit to TLD: But to the average joe they look like the ELITE TEAM in sx/supermoto based on the x games and the first ever moto x games.
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MrDasher wrote:
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you...
It will never be mainstream. Fans of Moto usually ride or used to ride moto. It is a "rich Mans" sport. Look at basketball, all you need to play is a ball. Every school and most parks have courts. How many inner city kids have have the place or the money or the inspiration to ride a dirt bike. Moto has survived since the 60's with a small dedicated fan base. It isn't going anywhere.

Side note. TV coverage isn't helping the sport grow, thats for sure.
Sondy132001 wrote:
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap...
again wrong...go to http://www.pbrnow.com/ plain and simple it's the marketing and tv coverage, show me where kids have access to bulls ?? and they aren't cheap probably cost 2-3 times more then a motorcycle...

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Just like MX it depends on where you live. I was a pro bull and saddlebronc rider from 90-03 and getting into it is not hard there are buckouts around where you pay 10 bucks for a practice ride and alot of weekly rodeo series. It was easy to become a bullrider around TX, but if I had lived around Montana,Wyoming,or Oregon it would have made saddlebronc easier to learn. One good thing about rodeo is even in the junior shows the winners get paid. I've known PBR stars Mike Lee and Jason Bennet since they were kids, they were bangin' down over 20,000 a year when they were 14 and had to pay out nothing but entry fee's and gas to get to the shows(maybe a few bullropes a year,300 bucks for the best custom made one's,bareback riggins and bronc saddles can last a career if taken care of). They also were able to stay pretty close to home then too. Their parents didn't have to spend millions to get them to that level, hell actually Mike Lee was pretty poor,he was his family's main source of income as a child.

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