Render The Sender or Larccos leap?

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Edited Date/Time 10/13/2013 6:31pm
Which would you rather hit, With no warm up?

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mynewcr250 10/11/2013 6:24pm
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if i was forced to choose, i would no doubt pick "render the sender". at least if you eat shit you get a nice downslope, vs hitting the face, casing it (flat land), or loosing a 220+lb bike in the air at 40mph (+/-) and having to flat land or worse.
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bangmyhead 10/11/2013 6:27pm
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leap for sure.
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Motodave15 10/11/2013 6:43pm
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mynewcr250 wrote:
if i was forced to choose, i would no doubt pick "render the sender". at least if you eat shit you get a nice downslope, vs...
if i was forced to choose, i would no doubt pick "render the sender". at least if you eat shit you get a nice downslope, vs hitting the face, casing it (flat land), or loosing a 220+lb bike in the air at 40mph (+/-) and having to flat land or worse.
That is very true lol.. But i think id take my chances with the leap lol. Render the sender makes my ass pucker straight up
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bullpen658 10/11/2013 9:48pm
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I'd jump the Leap after two beers (no warm up).

No amount of beer would get me to drop off that nightmare thing on a MTB. NONE.

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Tim507 10/11/2013 10:05pm
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Interesting debate......the leap if timed correctly may create a bit of a stall and a sudden drop/stop....or a slam onto the face if seriously short......the sender appears to quantify pure acceleration and trust with timing and a sloped landing with perfect timing.

I'd prefer a mellow joint and then what the heck - either oneSmile
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bvm111 10/11/2013 10:07pm
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I've gotten pretty big into downhill the last 2 years and the one thing I won't do is ANY drop more than 3 feet.... Those guys are fucking nuts!

I would hit the leap any day of the week than doing that crazy ass drop off on my Demo 8... Any day of the week for serious!!!!
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JW381 10/11/2013 11:21pm
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The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass.

That video is so peculiar to me, it doesn't look like much, but if you count his air-time it's close to three seconds. That's a pretty long flight!
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Highsider 10/12/2013 6:05am
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Camp's video still gives me a chill.
I have never tripled the Leap, but it is satisfying when I hit the tall, blind, wall and double it.
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visser62 10/12/2013 8:57am
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I'm much more confident on a mountain bike than a motocross bike, but I would still rather hit the Leap.
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Falcon 10/12/2013 9:59am
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I'd do the Sender on a motorcycle, but wouldn't even think about it on a bicycle. I'd follow someone off Larocco's Leap most likely.
jeff.cohen.923 10/12/2013 10:41am
10/12/2013 10:41am
coming form someone who rides red bud alot i would much rather hit the sender the to actually hit the leap u are skyed out and most definetly going to get seriously hurt with the smallest mistake the sender atleast gives you a chance to slide and fall with a slope not just fall straight out of the air at 3 stories at 30 mph i would realistically not do either but i am certain i would do the sender first
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jeffro503 10/12/2013 11:36am
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Not sure about the "No warm up" thing , since you can obviously double into LL before committing to the triple. I would do LL before that render slender thing any day. I know how to jump a dirt bike.....the bicycles friggin' scare me on that kind of stuff.
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hunt3r 10/12/2013 12:04pm
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I've done the leap in 2003, my first trip to redbud, first pro practice. Came up about 2 ft short in the mud, and broke a rear wheel. Went out in 2nd practice and cleaned it no problem. That jump isn't even that hard, it just takes some balls to keep the gas on. Its super smooth normally. It's tough to flat land it. That being said, I haven't ridden a moto bike in like 6 yrs, but do a ton of DH MTB. I've done all the big lines at Whistler, but there is no fucking way you'd catch me out on that rampage course, no less hitting the sender. Those dudes have serious mental problems.
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hunt3r 10/13/2013 6:45am
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McGinnis_339 wrote:
How about the equivalence of doubling the leap on a bmx bike?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aSpdpOdPeg

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No Doubt, that dude was a total bad ass. The BMX scene is one of the most humbling for me to be around. I go up to catty trails sometimes and I can only hit the small lines up there. It's a totally different skill set from moto or DH MTB. It may have a little cross over to SX riding but I never got to race much "real" supercross so I can't say for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epV5U4rX-SU
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superorbital 10/13/2013 9:24am
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JW381 wrote:
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass. That video is...
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass.

That video is so peculiar to me, it doesn't look like much, but if you count his air-time it's close to three seconds. That's a pretty long flight!
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render the Sender, you are talking potential energy. Potential energy is stored energy. In this case, it is the gravity waiting to pull you down to the bottom of the hill before you take off.
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Mickolobe7 10/13/2013 9:37am
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Loroccos leap is blinded. When you come out of the corner all you see is the face of the jump stay on the gas and just float threw the air.
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JW381 10/13/2013 10:40am
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JW381 wrote:
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass. That video is...
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass.

That video is so peculiar to me, it doesn't look like much, but if you count his air-time it's close to three seconds. That's a pretty long flight!
superorbital wrote:
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render...
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render the Sender, you are talking potential energy. Potential energy is stored energy. In this case, it is the gravity waiting to pull you down to the bottom of the hill before you take off.
Are you sure? I thought potential energy was, on a pendulum for example, when the pendulum reached it's highest point giving the object no actual velocity, and kinetic energy was the velocity it obtained on the way down.

The only reason I said the leap was potential (or kinetic, by what you're saying) energy was because it's a step up, but that's not a very accurate portrayal lol. Still, I'd take on the leap before those ridiculous mountain bike jumps. Something about riding a bike with less mass than me is a sketchy feeling.

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thefactorypilot 10/13/2013 1:58pm
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JW381 wrote:
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass. That video is...
The leap for sure, you're dealing with more potential energy on the leap, while The Sender is 9.8 m/s/s just kicking your ass.

That video is so peculiar to me, it doesn't look like much, but if you count his air-time it's close to three seconds. That's a pretty long flight!
superorbital wrote:
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render...
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render the Sender, you are talking potential energy. Potential energy is stored energy. In this case, it is the gravity waiting to pull you down to the bottom of the hill before you take off.
JW381 wrote:
Are you sure? I thought potential energy was, on a pendulum for example, when the pendulum reached it's highest point giving the object no actual velocity...
Are you sure? I thought potential energy was, on a pendulum for example, when the pendulum reached it's highest point giving the object no actual velocity, and kinetic energy was the velocity it obtained on the way down.

The only reason I said the leap was potential (or kinetic, by what you're saying) energy was because it's a step up, but that's not a very accurate portrayal lol. Still, I'd take on the leap before those ridiculous mountain bike jumps. Something about riding a bike with less mass than me is a sketchy feeling.
With the pendulum at the top of the arc and zero velocity, at that point the Potential Energy is the greatest and the Kinetic Energy the lowest...

When the pendulum in your example is at the bottom of the arc the Kinetic energy is the highest and the potential energy the lowest.
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JW381 10/13/2013 2:01pm
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superorbital wrote:
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render...
Sorry, hate to be a stickler for details, but you are talking kinetic energy with Larocco's leap. The bike is already in motion. Now with Render the Sender, you are talking potential energy. Potential energy is stored energy. In this case, it is the gravity waiting to pull you down to the bottom of the hill before you take off.
JW381 wrote:
Are you sure? I thought potential energy was, on a pendulum for example, when the pendulum reached it's highest point giving the object no actual velocity...
Are you sure? I thought potential energy was, on a pendulum for example, when the pendulum reached it's highest point giving the object no actual velocity, and kinetic energy was the velocity it obtained on the way down.

The only reason I said the leap was potential (or kinetic, by what you're saying) energy was because it's a step up, but that's not a very accurate portrayal lol. Still, I'd take on the leap before those ridiculous mountain bike jumps. Something about riding a bike with less mass than me is a sketchy feeling.
thefactorypilot wrote:
With the pendulum at the top of the arc and zero velocity, at that point the Potential Energy is the greatest and the Kinetic Energy the...
With the pendulum at the top of the arc and zero velocity, at that point the Potential Energy is the greatest and the Kinetic Energy the lowest...

When the pendulum in your example is at the bottom of the arc the Kinetic energy is the highest and the potential energy the lowest.
Thank you, that's what I was getting at. When the rider is stepping up, he's still traveling upward and has more potential energy than a guy on a mountain bike dropping off a cliff.
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Rooster 10/13/2013 4:26pm
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This was taken this weekend in Utah at the Red Bull Rampage. So I'm gonna have to go with LaRocco's leap for sure.

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JW381 10/13/2013 5:20pm
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Motodave15 10/13/2013 6:30pm
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Rooster wrote:
This was taken this weekend in Utah at the Red Bull Rampage. So I'm gonna have to go with LaRocco's leap for sure. [img]https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p6pb10205038/p5pb10205038.jpg[/img]
This was taken this weekend in Utah at the Red Bull Rampage. So I'm gonna have to go with LaRocco's leap for sure.

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