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worked against the USA come MXoN time?
GP racers get in five to six more hours of racing time from the 20 minute qualifiers over the course of a year. I know everyone in the industry loves the one day format but as a fan I love seeing more racing. Watching the qualifiers on Saturday at the MXoN I was reminded of this.
GP racers get in five to six more hours of racing time from the 20 minute qualifiers over the course of a year. I know everyone in the industry loves the one day format but as a fan I love seeing more racing. Watching the qualifiers on Saturday at the MXoN I was reminded of this.
dungey didnt have his majik nikes....
get over it, he has.....
What's your take on the one day National format?
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At least thats what i heard on vital.
Imo timed qualifying sucks but i can understand why its popular. They race way less, only need one fast lap and your in. Less time at the track more time with Bro's and ho's.
I loved the nationals when they were two days. Qualifying races were great for the fans , and i would think some racers liked them. Many guys do better in a race situation as opposed to follow the leader practice.
So i think it may have hurt the ama guys a little. Have to admit that the one day format caters to them. I am not up to speed exactly how the gp's do it. I know they have two day formats, and timed qualifying. Also the US guys are not used to being at the track that long but that is hardly an excuse.
I like racing and the more racing the better. Looking forward to the return of the semis in 450SX.
Forza-There are a number of factors that went into our loss. Any sport any musical activity anything the more you practice the better you get. There's no practice like racing.
Related question:
has the one day National program helped or hurt the privateer?
in the race that cairoli and tomac were both in, eli had a (slightly) faster single lap- but toni won the race comfortably (tomac was only 3 seconds down on him at the beginning of the race- cairoli had pulled away to 7 seconds in front by the time tomac crashed. Tony was faster on 10 of the 19 laps- tomac crashed running that pace whilst cairoli won easily! if anyone got within sight of him he would have stepped it up, that's what he does!
by your logic- you could say clement desalle was the fastest rider at the mx des nations- he set the fastest lap of the weekend, the only rider to go into the 1.41's....
the best/fastest rider at the des nations was cairoli- cant really argue with a 1-1!
regarding the one day vs 2 day format? you could have a point, anything that is different in the racing format might make it harder for the riders to adjust - in the same way it might be difficult for gp riders to adjust when they go stateside (musquin/roczen etc)
We lost because Belgium raced better as a team and our guys had two big crashes. Blaming the national format is a really big reach...
DC
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DC
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The worst part of the current qualifying practice session is most of the spectators don't know who is turning the fastest times until the session is over. With a qualifying race you get to see the top riders cross the line in the order that they qualify. The other down side of the 1 day format is it put the privateers and local riders at a disadvantage as they tend to go out when the track is in the worst conditions. They end up clearing out the muck and form lines for the factory guys. If that rider has a problem with the bike in the open practice they have to hope that they have it sorted out in the qualifying practice.
It is time to bring back the "On any Sunday" attitude to racing.
I would say YES
maintenance on the tracks between motos hurt sure if there is a dangerous section it needs to be taken care of but let the tracks get rough. I rode Southwick the day after the national last year and it was not touched at all and it was the smoothest I have ever ridden the wick and I have been riding there since the late 80's.
2 day format is better for the fans and at the end of the day SX MX is a traveling entertainment Business relying on the fans to pay so the business makes money.
Timed practice is just stupid we want to see racing not practice. The burn out that DC referred to makes sense however we work ever day at our Jobs and we all get burned out but it is what it is. If you don't like what you do any more get a new Job.
The Teams, riders and fans are there any way for Saturday why not have Qualifiers fans get to hang out more spend more money meet their favorite riders create new favorite riders talk with Mechanics about their own bikes its just real fun for the Fan. problem now for the die hard fan is your in and out usually its a long drive home so you pretty much blow out with 10 minutes left to beat the traffic. I remember hanging in the pits getting jerseys autographs pictures taken and now we post them on the the net for our vintage collection. The best part was camping Saturday hanging in the pits talking smack back at camp site about your favorite rider mine was Hannah some of the other guys I knew it was Howerton and at Southwick sat nights where just funny stuff. Unadilla in the 70 and 80 where just crazy the stories we still talk about to this day. those where some of the Best day of my life So happy to be able to experience that it just seems now that its not the same maybe it is just me not changing but I hold on the the old format because that is what I grew up on.
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I think the USA riders ( or anyone who competes in the USA nationals ) would be benefited from our schedule. Our guys race a moto , then have a 1hr break and have to be right back up on the line. That's basically how the MXoN's race works for one of our guys , with another one ( Lites guys ) have to do a back-to-back moto. The GP guys have a disadvantage with that schedule......as their normal GP schedule is spread out over a two day period with much longer breaks between motos.
If anything Rock......you got it backwards. It helps the AMA riders at the MXoN's.....it's a hindrance for the GP guys.
I'm just not a fan of the Saturday only schedule. Down in the trenches it affects the guys behind the parts counters who have to work on Saturday plus I'm a creature of habit. Like SRP33 says the two day format is what we got used to and it is extremely difficult for old guys to accept new things. :-)
To your point that I was forgetting about the SX series I'm sorry but no I hadn't. SX actually helps get our guys ready for American outdoor MX which are for the most part held on hybrid SX/MX layouts but SX definitely doesn't help prepare them for GPs and the MXoN.
Makes for great TV but anyway you slice it US National tracks have migrated significantly away from the roots of traditional MX. Tracks in Europe vary more and have way less SX influence. Last year at the Matterley Basin GP's press conference Zach Osbourne commented returning to the states with the experience of having raced on GP tracks was going to be of benefit. He said in the US the tracks are "pretty much the same but in the GPs there is a wider range of tracks."
Speaking of ZO I like his article in the November Racer X talking about non traditional MX facilities. Good read and thank you for the issue you gave me at the MXoN.
Question: To SRP33's point I rode Southwick the day after the national last year and it was not touched at all and it was the smoothest I have ever ridden the wick and I have been riding there since the late 80's. Is 2014 the time to reduce the Ayers and Sons paving company's time on the tracks between motos?
As for going back to two-day formats, which means off live TV and adding those 12 extra days on the road for every rider and team, that would take us right back to the days of SX-only and probably really hamper our chances of winning the MXoN.
Look, if Eli Tomac doesn't crash, we win. Justin Barcia doesn't crash, we win. But they did, and Belgium won. Why not just give those guys the credit they deserve?
DC
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It is your show and if you think the tracks are rough enough that's your call......but for me they're prepped too much. IE Southwick this year.
As far as MXoN credit I'm all about giving it up to our team and support personnel. I'm already thinking ahead to Latvia and dwelling on how we can win back the Chamberlain trophy. We can't let it slip from our grasp a third time. In the same breath I have to give it up to Germany last year and Belgium this year......both years they rode very well.
Question: Are we slowly seeing the cycle of change in MX? Is it possible that as it was before the Europeans will regain their dominance? I"m blown away by what KTM is doing..........
We'll be back in Latvia, and hopefully with better results and less crashes.
DC
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Fucking Maryland.
What other country constantly gets top 3 at the MXDN?
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