Suggestion list for improving SX & MX course design

TDB519
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TDB519 wrote:
8) 3 night races a year

9) Anchor tied to Stewarts fender

The Rock wrote:
8) What is your reasoning for night races? Having the temperatures be lower? I think they're more dangerous. 9) Anchor suggestion would be for SX only...
8) What is your reasoning for night races? Having the temperatures be lower? I think they're more dangerous.


9) Anchor suggestion would be for SX only since James won't be racing any Nationals in 2009.
8) Everything looks better under the lights. More fans will come to a night race. 100's of night races are held a year at local tracks with way worse light then Colorado.

9) I truelly believe James will be back for Nats next year. Everyone assumes he won't.
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Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the...
Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the most prestigious and sought after AMA title so as to stop losing riders outdoors due to the 'indoor only' contract that is becoming more and more popular.

Ok it doesn't improve the courses, but I threw it in there anyways because I love watching the nationals. Smile
This is a great idea. Alternate supercross then motocross then back to supercross.
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8/26/2008 11:20am
Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the...
Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the most prestigious and sought after AMA title so as to stop losing riders outdoors due to the 'indoor only' contract that is becoming more and more popular.

Ok it doesn't improve the courses, but I threw it in there anyways because I love watching the nationals. Smile
TDB519 wrote:
This is a great idea. Alternate supercross then motocross then back to supercross.
Yeah won't work, two different types of bike set up and suspension, it's hard on the factories, let alone the privateers !

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8/26/2008 11:25am
Wider tracks

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If you're talking "Pro" only tracks, then I dont think they should change much. These guys are pros and get payed to display their skills. This...
If you're talking "Pro" only tracks, then I dont think they should change much. These guys are pros and get payed to display their skills. This whole "bikes are too powerful and suspension is too good" is a bunch of crap. This is MX!

As far as SX, I personally would like to see tracks more like A2. The others were just too tame. Triples should not be jumped by 250f riders that cant even make the main and 450s at 1/2 throttle. Whoops should seperate the men form the boys.

Now, as far as local tracks, those should be tamer.
That's what I'm talking about. Remember the days when 125's could only triple one of the triples. But there was always a couple of guys doing both of them. I loved watching them stretch it out to get over it. Put the triples closer to the corner.
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Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the...
Introduce an "Overall AMA Champ" title, i.e. the guy who scored the most points in both Indoor and Outdoor racing throughout the year, make this the most prestigious and sought after AMA title so as to stop losing riders outdoors due to the 'indoor only' contract that is becoming more and more popular.

Ok it doesn't improve the courses, but I threw it in there anyways because I love watching the nationals. Smile
TDB519 wrote:
This is a great idea. Alternate supercross then motocross then back to supercross.
Yeah won't work, two different types of bike set up and suspension, it's hard on the factories, let alone the privateers !

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Not that hard to change 2 forks and a shock. Maybe a pipe. Think the bigger obsticle would be the fact that their promoted by two different people.
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8/26/2008 12:10pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
SX-


1) Bring back the turnstiles up into the stands.

2) Bring back the day qualifiers

3) A2 of 2008 was an improvement

4) Lose the big jumps so we could have a champions (old guys rule) race

4) No photogs on the floor of the stadium (jk Gibby)


MX-


1) I like MX

2) Race on Saturday

3) No photogs on the track (jk Gibby)



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8/26/2008 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2008 12:16pm
"not everyone wants a flat track. "

Not everyone, but plenty of folks want oldskool style moto tracks.
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TDB519 wrote:
Not that hard to change 2 forks and a shock. Maybe a pipe. Think the bigger obsticle would be the fact that their promoted by two...
Not that hard to change 2 forks and a shock. Maybe a pipe. Think the bigger obsticle would be the fact that their promoted by two different people.
Factories complained, nothing to do with promoters. That's why the Florida National went away, it was in the SX season, plain and simple.

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8/26/2008 12:29pm
I dont think you have to overlap their schedules but make the points carry over. you could even bring back the blue plate special.
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TDB519 wrote:
Not that hard to change 2 forks and a shock. Maybe a pipe. Think the bigger obsticle would be the fact that their promoted by two...
Not that hard to change 2 forks and a shock. Maybe a pipe. Think the bigger obsticle would be the fact that their promoted by two different people.
Factories complained, nothing to do with promoters. That's why the Florida National went away, it was in the SX season, plain and simple.

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Thats definently th crappy thing about motocross. Factories control to much. The sport will never grow to its full potential until they do what the fans want and not the factories. Thats what profesional sports are about is the fans.
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Although it takes away from some of the beauty of the top guys technicality, I think they should make the tracks faster with longer laps. We have seen these types of tracks offer good racing in the past. I have always liked the idea of a Superpoll idea and SX is built for it. This could add to the show and add another element to the fan. One guy in front of a full stadium looking for perfection. Seed the top 10 to the main and send the rest to heats and one LCQ.
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Although it takes away from some of the beauty of the top guys technicality, I think they should make the tracks faster with longer laps. We...
Although it takes away from some of the beauty of the top guys technicality, I think they should make the tracks faster with longer laps. We have seen these types of tracks offer good racing in the past. I have always liked the idea of a Superpoll idea and SX is built for it. This could add to the show and add another element to the fan. One guy in front of a full stadium looking for perfection. Seed the top 10 to the main and send the rest to heats and one LCQ.
Thats real good. They did that at the columbus supermoto race i went to a few years ago and it was awesome. Would be intense in a stadium.
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SX

1) Bring Back the 1 straight away to a quad, i remeber danny way the only 125 rider to jump it that day in practice at anahiem

2) Take the tracks back into the stands

3) No maintence on the sx track let it rut up/ blue groove whichever

OFF-TOPIC

4) Day qualifiers is a must to bring back, thats were you got see the privateer only races and they would duke it out..(too much money for too little racing)

5) Drop time qualifing all togeather

6) Bring Back the semi races

7) Drop the 50 crap in the middle and bring in the Top 80cc Riders for the intermission
( The little kids are cool but fuggin borrrrrring)

Back on topic

8) Bring back the fingers like uneven whoops

9) also bring back the round bumps on the striaght away

10) Use Up the whole stadium floor

MX

1) get rid of blind Jumps

2) Less Sand (so each track can have its own identity)

3) 45 min motos






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8/26/2008 2:03pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:11pm
Not really track design, but GET RID OF ALL SEEDED RIDERS!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone that shows up to race needs to qualify. What happens if a top ten bike breaks, no big deal. What about the privateer that drove 1000 miles to get there and ate pb&j for a week? he's s.o.l. And no timed qualifying, bring back heat races
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Single Pro Day for outdoor nationals. Practice and qualifiers in the morning and then afternoon motos.

8/26/2008 5:51pm
TDB519 wrote:
Thats definently th crappy thing about motocross. Factories control to much. The sport will never grow to its full potential until they do what the fans...
Thats definently th crappy thing about motocross. Factories control to much. The sport will never grow to its full potential until they do what the fans want and not the factories. Thats what profesional sports are about is the fans.
Agreed.

The odd part about it is the factory's real priority is to sell motorcycles. Increasing the fan base will ADD to the number of people that want to ride dirtbikes (and streetbikes).
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If I remember correctly, in the old days the Gatorback National fell in the SX season, and the teams were not enthused about the transition. Or the traveling from right coast to left (and back again) to make the races.
As long as this thread is going, I'll just throw out that the TV coverage could use an injection of enthusiasm. I saw James Stewart sew up the championship on SPEED and they mustered all the excitement of a bored waitress reciting the specials at Waffle House. (keep Emig though!). Ralph you seem like a cool dude but show some enthusiasm or hand the mic...
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Like FTE....Wide..much wider tracks period.
Use of haybales to allow for creation of more lines in turns during practices.
Technical stuff; long off cambers, very steep up/down hills, switchbacks....
Start to actual track transition make safer.
Many thoughts.

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8/26/2008 11:45pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2008 12:22am

1) Adopt FIM course specs for MX jump size and spacing. We just adopted their sound levels which were an excellent idea so let's take a lead from the people who started the sport of MX to improve safety.


2) Introduce caution lights at National track similar to the ones used in SX to let the riders know they're approaching a situation. Since they're held during the day use white strobe lights like on runways.



3) Hold Nationals on Saturday to provide the best racing surface to the pro riders.



4) Day Nationals only. If the conditions are too hot for the riders they should go race the GPs instead of competing on the world's toughest tracks under the harshest conditions.


5) Reduce the number of SX type obstacles on National tracks to keep them from becoming outdoor SX tracks


6) MX-Lower the speeds on sections directly after the first turn to reduce the chances of another Alessi Red Bud type incident.
SX-Have whoop or sand sections follow first turns instead of big double and triples.


7) Use 2009 as the year to have SX tracks like the one we had at A2 this year. We need more technical sections (off camber, sand sections, flat turns instead of bowl turns) rather than having the course be 99.9 percent whoops and jumps. Use up entire stadium floor.


8) Bring back the over/under Tunnels and run the course into the stands where possible. Lap times need to be close to one minute OR give us 20 minute 450 mains and 15 minute 250F mains PLEASE


9) Incorporate significantly more rider input into track design. This rider input should be accepted before, during, and after practice as well as throughout the course of the day. Make the tracks wider and longer whenever possible.


10) Appoint a full-time SAFETY person (ideally a former racer) to document crashes in a database and list injury severity. Investigate alternatives to hay bales (air fencing. TUFF blocks?) to reduce injuries. SAFETY person would also be the point of contact to receive rider input for track design and would relay comments to track owner/Dirt Works.


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8/27/2008 12:02am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 8:12pm
There were many good suggestions in this thread for improving the racing but not specific to course design. Can I ask someone else please to start a thread Suggestions for improving SX and MX Racing using ideas (eliminating time qualifying, eliminating seeded riders, etc) from this thread?


After the work I've done on the Suggestions for Improving Flagging and Suggestions for Improving Course Design threads I need a break plus need to focus on work objectives for the remainder of the week.


Thanks for your help and nice getting to know who the Vital MX members are who care about making things better.
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slower tracks in sections.

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