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Natural drop-offs and any air time gained by natural rolling terrain is fine, but if you have to use a dozer or machine to create a jump, its not real motocross IMHO. It started out as Motorcycle Cross Country racing. Off cambers, grass track, rolling terrain, natural moguls/whoops/rollers, drop offs and climbs.
You wanna jump, line up at a SX track.
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I think this quote from Ferry on LL's track makes up for the fact they don't have 60ft doubles and 90ft table tops on every straight.
This quote is from the Day One Slide Show
Ferry said the sand- and sawdust-covered track was “rougher than a lot of pro nationals I raced!”
Foxhills, looks like an awesome track by the way. I don't have my glasses on but did I see some cool jumps??? Nooo couldn't be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4nr8L9hW9s
Perhaps you could take a trip back to Hawkstone since you have forgot and see them launching a jump. Notice to there is some respectable jump in the background. And some nasty ruts at this place too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abihin4EpiU
Now I will be so kind and let you Europeans relive some glory and we can look at Lommel. Now this is probably one of the hardest tracks to ride hands down with some of the biggest ruts and deepest sand. Honestly you can't compare this to Lorettas in any way. If there is one track that doesn't need big jumps for safety reasons its this one. But did I see them hitting a man made triple? Or something big. But this track is in a class of it's own.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLD8VG2Omoo
And on to Valkenswaard. Do I see a sweet track there. Man I really must need my vision checked but again I see what appears to be some really big nasty "man made" jumps here. Really take a peak at 7:45 on this one. Naw thats natural
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMq2Z21FGKs
So I am not sure what you think I do or don't know but you don't seem to know whats at your "local" tracks.
So I start a thread saying they should at least put a moderate table or double in at Lorettas. Everybody thinks I'm stupid because "that's crazy". You imply I know nothing because I have only ridden about 10 different tracks and you have superior knowledge because you have ridden more. Then you supply me with a whopping 4 tracks that have big man made jumps. Am I the stupid one here?
By the way all these jumps appear to be............ manmade
You know, when the best riders on the continent and in Lommels case, the best riders in the world turn up to race on them.
And Foxhills, they aren't particularly dangerous because its like riding on concrete, the jump faces don't deform into rut infested death traps.
And back to my original point. All these kids had to qualify to even get to Lorettas. I would be willing to say that all of the tracks they qualified at had some big jumps. They managed to make it there.
Again I liken it to finally making it to the majors and they move the fence in. Or what if the NFL made the superbowl "two hand touch"
Everyone at that race knows how to hit a jump. If they don't they shouldn't be there.
Lets look at it another way. So your 17 and a bad azz. you race your local qualifiers which may or may not get rutted out depending on the track but will almost certainly have some sizable jumps. No big deal you hit them in practices and the local races all the time. You hit the qualifer, launch those big scary nasty dangerous jumps and are good enough to qualify for LL's. You show up at Lorettas which is the next step to the pro ranks and there isn't hardly a jump in sight. Is it a difficult track hell yea. So you race LL's. The stepping stone yet it lacks one critical feature you call dangerous.
Well what are those guys gonna do this weekend that are racing the pro national? Go around the jumps? Because some of those are for real, and there are ruts, and Eli Tomac just blew your doors off.........
Also yes I realize those track are worked on a lot but those massive jumps at Valkenswaard are still there aren't they? I don't think they are moving those things.
You said: "Lets look at it another way. So your 17 and a bad azz. you race your local qualifiers which may or may not get rutted out depending on the track but will almost certainly have some sizable jumps. No big deal you hit them in practices and the local races all the time."
But then you said: "Well what are those guys gonna do this weekend that are racing the pro national? Go around the jumps? Because some of those are for real, and there are ruts, and Eli Tomac just blew your doors off........."
If the riders you are referring to are hitting the big jumps in practices and local races, why wouldn't they hit them when they turn pro? Just because the last track they rode as an amateur didn't have big jumps? Did they suddenly forget how to jump because LL's doesn't have big jumps?
i don't follow your logic here. However, my son went and spectated this year. While telling me all about the trip one of the things he said was seeing the track in person was kind of disappointing. I asked what he meant and he said "Nothing at all like any national track he's ever been too, almost reminded me of Branson." lol It sure looks a hell of a lot better than Branson to me! He did laugh and said "Noooo you know what I mean!"
A friend of mine almost died on it in 05.
Broke his eye sockets
Crushed his cheek bones and jaw bones
Knocked out almost all of his teeth.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHXHo-egE_Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKHX…
I didn't see this crash, but I did see the careflight helicopter fly overhead while I was riding at another track.
Having ridden the track a number of times over the years, I've never once thought there was a lack of or problem with the number of jumps. I like to jump as much as the next guy, but the challenges presented to the riders that have qualified are pretty stiff.
There are also a wide range of rider abilities from top to bottom in all classes.
The program is run almost to the minute. Track maintenance, weather and other factors can throw a wrench into that program. The fewer ambulance runs and injury time outs are a plus.
If you attend in person, ride in person or take part on the grounds, your views might be different.
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FFS that was nasty.
To the guy who's buddy wrecked the quad that looks extremely painful. That is why you don't jump quads or ride them on motocross tracks. That is dangerous.
Look Tortelli eats crap on a straightaway, lets take those out too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeUXdMFomb4
It really was nasty completely crushed his face.
just curious...of the 10 tracks you have ridden which ones have the massive jumps that you speak of for comparison?
sizeable and massive are relative terms to the skill of the person that is riding them....
I always trained so hard for that week because i knew what was coming.
Would ride my mt bike with all my moto gear on
Carry cinderblocks around my sx track in my yard in the heat of the day.
Valve my shock for the last third of the moto because it would fade with all the heat.
If you went with a valving set up for 4 lap 6 minute motos like home you would swear the shock feel off out on the track
And i knew if i just stayed up on the start i could pass the noodle legged the last few laps like a knife thru budder.
Now i hear they plow after each moto which is why when these guys go pro a long rutt freakes them out.
They used to plow only at lunchtime,i want the moto right before that or last of the day.
That being said, this tradition for amateurs in American motocross will only grow
I know,raced there many times,always got into the top 9,on 500,s back in the 80,s when the start went left of that tree,
Went under a cartwheeling bike on a start of 500a on day,red flag,bodies all over.
Had a guy,alan andruae from fla i believe sit beside me in staging for monday practice tell me how he was gonna g
Bust out the triple in the back on the 1st lap, he broke both ankles.
The triple never was a factor,it was always so jacked it was just as fast to double single out ontl a whoop m
I raced there with water 3 foot deep,lighting hit a tree that was the side of the single that brought you back into the big ri that sweeper and it set the haybales afire,half the class stopped while the rest of us raced.
That was one of the biggest cluster fucks i ever saw there.
Good times
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