Ziggy...PED's...and the FED's

7/24/2013 3:05pm
smoker wrote:
maybe we'll get a news story out of it and the sport will grow, who knows?
DocMarten wrote:
i really doubt seeing the biggest names of the sport being federally prosecuted for using PEDs will grow the sport.

Get some mainstream attention, yeah..maybe.
smoker wrote:
unless your a fan of the sport, there is no "biggest names". Maybe it would legitimize mx since our sport is suddenly hard enough to where...
unless your a fan of the sport, there is no "biggest names". Maybe it would legitimize mx since our sport is suddenly hard enough to where peds would be an advantage. Maybe we'd get some viewers, maybe peeps would say "damn, roided out dudes on dirt bikes, I'd watch that!"


who knows.
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7/24/2013 3:43pm
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away from PED's and steroids but here we allegedly have a team manager cooperating with some sort of federal agents in trying to bring riders down for using PED's. You would think someone would at least ask him about what he trying to do and why.
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7/24/2013 3:49pm
Ripper02 wrote:
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away...
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away from PED's and steroids but here we allegedly have a team manager cooperating with some sort of federal agents in trying to bring riders down for using PED's. You would think someone would at least ask him about what he trying to do and why.
this is exactly why Tony went berzerk the other night..everyone knows about it but the powers that be (DC & MX Sports) have chosen to look the other way while making a big stink over Jeff the Genius Alessi and his laser pen.

Think about it!
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7/24/2013 3:56pm
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7/24/2013 4:07pm
Ripper02 wrote:
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away...
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away from PED's and steroids but here we allegedly have a team manager cooperating with some sort of federal agents in trying to bring riders down for using PED's. You would think someone would at least ask him about what he trying to do and why.
DocMarten wrote:
this is exactly why Tony went berzerk the other night..everyone knows about it but the powers that be (DC & MX Sports) have chosen to look...
this is exactly why Tony went berzerk the other night..everyone knows about it but the powers that be (DC & MX Sports) have chosen to look the other way while making a big stink over Jeff the Genius Alessi and his laser pen.

Think about it!
This has absolutely nothing to do with Tony, I'm not saying that any riders are using PED's or that MXsports knows anything about that whole subject. I'm just saying we have a team manager working with federal agents! How crazy is that! Forget that any of the riders maybe even using PED's (which I honestly dont believe they are but if so then bringing in the goverment is the wrong way to go about it) I'm just surprised that no one is digging into the fact that Ziggy is up to something that could have an impact on the sport down the road.
7/24/2013 4:14pm
Ripper02 wrote:
This has absolutely nothing to do with Tony, I'm not saying that any riders are using PED's or that MXsports knows anything about that whole subject...
This has absolutely nothing to do with Tony, I'm not saying that any riders are using PED's or that MXsports knows anything about that whole subject. I'm just saying we have a team manager working with federal agents! How crazy is that! Forget that any of the riders maybe even using PED's (which I honestly dont believe they are but if so then bringing in the goverment is the wrong way to go about it) I'm just surprised that no one is digging into the fact that Ziggy is up to something that could have an impact on the sport down the road.
I think you have the wrong idea, only Tony said that Factory Connection were working with the Federal Marshalls, Ozzy came on later and explained that he had been talking to them about the fact that doping is going to become a federal offense
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7/24/2013 4:28pm
pretty sure everyone that has kicked ass or is currently kicking ass now....we're all going fast when they were amateurs.. they can bring in the testing if it makes everyone feel better. I'm pretty sure the top 5 guys aren't losing sleep over it.
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7/24/2013 5:14pm
Ripper02 wrote:
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away...
I just can't believe that none of the media are trying to get the story. I mean I know many of them try to steer away from PED's and steroids but here we allegedly have a team manager cooperating with some sort of federal agents in trying to bring riders down for using PED's. You would think someone would at least ask him about what he trying to do and why.
DocMarten wrote:
this is exactly why Tony went berzerk the other night..everyone knows about it but the powers that be (DC & MX Sports) have chosen to look...
this is exactly why Tony went berzerk the other night..everyone knows about it but the powers that be (DC & MX Sports) have chosen to look the other way while making a big stink over Jeff the Genius Alessi and his laser pen.

Think about it!
Tony said DC was running a drug ring. Entirely different.
7/24/2013 5:16pm
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i'm imagining you right now
Legitimately LOLd.
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7/24/2013 5:18pm
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell.

but as bad as it would look with federal marshals investigating our sport for PEDs, it would at least bring out some of legitimacy of the sport that is being hid behind all the monster energy/extreme action sport bull shit.
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7/24/2013 5:25pm
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i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell. but as bad as it...
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell.

but as bad as it would look with federal marshals investigating our sport for PEDs, it would at least bring out some of legitimacy of the sport that is being hid behind all the monster energy/extreme action sport bull shit.
Again, the marshals DON'T do that.
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7/24/2013 5:37pm
Popcorn wrote:
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell. but as bad as it...
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell.

but as bad as it would look with federal marshals investigating our sport for PEDs, it would at least bring out some of legitimacy of the sport that is being hid behind all the monster energy/extreme action sport bull shit.
Choppy wrote:
Again, the marshals DON'T do that.
okay well its obviously gonna be someone federal...
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7/24/2013 5:40pm
This thread has been mistated from the beginning... That is not what Ozzy or Kenny said...

Ziggy had talked to the marshalls and they said the law is CHANGING... In response to the Armstrong debacle which actually cost USPostal dollars... It didn't sound like he wasn't trying to involve them to get someone in trouble... More that the laws were changing and that he was sick of the rumours surrounding another camp.

Having said that, there were grumblings I think being discussed by PulpShow etc, from Barcia's camp last year that they didn't believe Bagget could be that much fitter than Justin... coming from behind in the motos... I think this is bs because a) Justin is the most inefficient rider the world's ever seen and b) he's getting beat by Dungey and RV and JS now, are they juicing too?

RV and Chad were full tested last year and fine... the whole year, full schedule, all hours, full tests, not just urine.

People say it's going on, but I'm also of the belief that it doesn't help you twist the throttle.

If someone like Mike Craig or Denny Stephenson, who was famed for being able to burn down a lap like no other, then suddenly started going 30 plus 2 like that, then that's sus... But there is a lot of work to get there and thinking guys like Bagget or RV are on drugs is crazy, they've won everything since they were kids, I doubt they were juicing then!
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7/24/2013 5:43pm
Hey Ziggy... could you produce the DC assulting JA video before you go down another path first? Apparently, you're the one who has it. Thanks!

As far as PEDs... I'm not sure they would be much help in our sport, unless they were endurance enhancing. Being a muscle bound meat head seems like it would hinder more than help.

Now... if he is considering marijuana as a PED and the rider is promised Cheetos and Snickers if he wins, I might buy into that.
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7/24/2013 5:47pm
Popcorn wrote:
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell. but as bad as it...
i have no clue how anyone could ever think that every rider on the gate is clean... no way in hell.

but as bad as it would look with federal marshals investigating our sport for PEDs, it would at least bring out some of legitimacy of the sport that is being hid behind all the monster energy/extreme action sport bull shit.
Choppy wrote:
Again, the marshals DON'T do that.
Popcorn wrote:
okay well its obviously gonna be someone federal...
The Feds have bigger things/sports to go after. Get back to me next year when nothing's happened.
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7/24/2013 6:12pm
Choppy wrote:
The Feds have bigger things/sports to go after. Get back to me next year when nothing's happened.
I never said they were about to storm in.. however, you are right they have way bigger ponds to fish in than pro mx... but we are talking about the federal gov't of america here never know what they might do Woohoo
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7/24/2013 6:20pm
I dunno by the way Osterman was talking he made it sound like something could be happening soon and he implied that it was somehow connected to Ziggy and the government. We all know that if he was talking about MXsports nothing would be happening anytime soon.
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7/24/2013 7:33pm
Those of you who have said the USM does not do this kind of work are correct. No reason for people to be talking about this with USM personnel.

There is no fed violation for use. There are FDA violations for selling. The users who have been successfully prosecuted in PED cases were convicted of lying about it when interviewed or before a grand jury investigating sales, not for PED use.

There is a movement to criminalize use, but most law enforcement agencies are opposed for cost and enforcement priority reasons.

These claims make no sense...
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7/24/2013 8:05pm
1st of all it's not my deal.
ALL I was trying to do is clear up TA's wild accusations
and then some from his rant.
I was there and heard things 360 degrees differently
than TA did.
As a Dad, fan and industry guy I couldn't stand
ALL the BS that was being spewed on the PulpMX Show
by MG & TA.
For me very hard to take, embarrassing!
No more no less!
Last time I checked, it's over and done with.
PERIOD!!!
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7/24/2013 8:20pm
* he does look awfully buff with his shirt off. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/07/24/27939/s1200_this_guy2.jpg[/img]
* he does look awfully buff with his shirt off.

HAHA Classic!!
7/24/2013 8:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/24/2013 8:23pm
I talked to a US marshal today and he just laughed and said who ever said the Marshals service was investigating was full of S**t , because it has NOTHING to do with the US Marshals. Didn't want to tell him it was a motocross forum Blush Also if it came out of Tony Alessi's mouth you know its a lie.
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7/24/2013 8:26pm
Walter wrote:
Those of you who have said the USM does not do this kind of work are correct. No reason for people to be talking about this...
Those of you who have said the USM does not do this kind of work are correct. No reason for people to be talking about this with USM personnel.

There is no fed violation for use. There are FDA violations for selling. The users who have been successfully prosecuted in PED cases were convicted of lying about it when interviewed or before a grand jury investigating sales, not for PED use.

There is a movement to criminalize use, but most law enforcement agencies are opposed for cost and enforcement priority reasons.

These claims make no sense...
Exactly. This sounds like someone in law enforcement expressing their personal opinion to Rick Zielfelder, rather then actual fact. Marshals are not detectives or investigators.


Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me....
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7/24/2013 8:33pm
Why do you people care so much about what somebody else takes and puts in their body?

I dont give two flying fucks.
7/24/2013 8:45pm
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I talked to a US marshal today and he just laughed and said who ever said the Marshals service was investigating was full of S**t...
I talked to a US marshal today and he just laughed and said who ever said the Marshals service was investigating was full of S**t , because it has NOTHING to do with the US Marshals. Didn't want to tell him it was a motocross forum Blush Also if it came out of Tony Alessi's mouth you know its a lie.
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Ozzy wrote:
1st of all it's not my deal. ALL I was trying to do is clear up TA's wild accusations and then some from his rant. I...
1st of all it's not my deal.
ALL I was trying to do is clear up TA's wild accusations
and then some from his rant.
I was there and heard things 360 degrees differently
than TA did.
As a Dad, fan and industry guy I couldn't stand
ALL the BS that was being spewed on the PulpMX Show
by MG & TA.
For me very hard to take, embarrassing!
No more no less!
Last time I checked, it's over and done with.
PERIOD!!!
360 degrees would be the same thing. 180 degrees would be the opposite.Whistling Wink Cool
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7/25/2013 5:45am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2013 5:58am
I can't believe that some of you guys actually believe PED's arent being used or aren't beneficial in our sport. They are being used, just like in EVERY OTHER PROFESSIONAL SPORT that requires incredible (an)aerobic fitness and not just 'skill'.

Do I have any proof? No, but I'm not retarded either. We are dealing with one of the most physically demanding sports in the world. The competition is as stacked as ever and there is NO testing. NONE. (Don't make me laugh by bringing up the urine tests).

Are PED's going to propel a B-rider to a top 20 Nationals rider? Of course not. But can they take an experienced top 10-rider that drops back during his motos and turn him into a top-5 contender that pushes it until the checkered flag? Absolutely.
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