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Robgvx 7/21/2013 11:22am
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I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart...
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart use to battle, but the Ryans are absolutely on a different level right now compared to the rest of the field. The Bikes are Faster, the Competition is more stacked, but they're destroying the field worse then when RC and JS use to do it. I get nervous watching Villopoto sometimes, he's riding so fast and on the edge that it looks like his bike is about to explode. If he stays Healthy, he's going to be a Headache for the competion for awhile, while racking up Championships.
Yup. Those old school riders sucked.

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sharkey 7/21/2013 12:42pm
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Two things I took away from yesterday: 1. Team USA is going to be RV, RD, and ET. 2. The rest of the world is effed...
Two things I took away from yesterday:

1. Team USA is going to be RV, RD, and ET.

2. The rest of the world is effed, with a capital Eff.
yeah your right for sure, on another note ive been going to Washougal since 1985 and ive never seen the track that good. would have been great to ride it today. the riders we spoke to said it was unreal. we spoke with bogel at the gas station on the way out of town and he said even when the sun came out for the last moto it was still pretty darn good. this was one of the times where when the fog was stuck up in those hills it made for a epic day for the riders and the track stayed prime
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I missed the part where someone said RC never ran as fast as Villopoto. With the improvements in bikes over the years, I think there is...
I missed the part where someone said RC never ran as fast as Villopoto. With the improvements in bikes over the years, I think there is a big difference in the actual speed they are running now compared to 2006 and 2007 when Ricky Carmichael was Dominating. It's like comparing RC of 2006 to McGrath in the 90's, both are great riders, but McGrath on a 90's 250 wouldn't have a chance against Ricky Carmichaels 2006 RMZ450. Same with Villopoto now, he's one of the Fastest ever and the fact that he's on the best and most advanced Motocross bikes ever up to this point, it shouldn't be a surprise that he's riding faster than anyone ever has and I think RC would agree that the speeds have increased since he was racing. Just my opinion. We'll get a chance to see what Cairoli and Herlings have for Villopoto at the MXDN and they have the Home field advantage, so if he beats them there, he truly is the Fastest MX rider on the Planet
Could not have said it better myself.
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Villopoto has raised the bar in physical fitness, strength & speed that virtually nobody can match his pace.(barring an incident) He attacks the track with such...
Villopoto has raised the bar in physical fitness, strength & speed that virtually nobody can match his pace.(barring an incident)
He attacks the track with such confidence, speed. He possesses the fast strike speed, that Dungey generally takes 2-4 laps to achieve. I thought I'd never see the day that James would get zapped like he did by Villo today. The guy can close a gap in no time at all. Just AMAZING to watch him wring that Kawi out for all it's worth & steer the bike with the rear! Definitely not afraid to hang it out.
Hats off Ryan. You da man!

Now....what I want to see, is Eli Tomac the heir apparent in a few yrs??
I see the same work ethic, drive & determination there....
His aggression has only been matched by RC, Hannah, and RJ. RV is in top four greatest of all times in my book. I agree, he has elevated the sport. Can RD5, BamBam, JS7 (bring out Bubba), Canard respond? I agree, Tomac will come out swinging

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While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that flared up at the start of the 2009 motocross season... we might have seen another rider go about ten years undefeated in outdoor titles(250's & 450's).

But again, RC is a freak to survive his career, with being one of the fastest ever, with ONLY missing a single Supercross series.
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I went back to 2007 and checked lap times, and they are MUCH faster now than they were then. 2008 James had the fast lap time...
I went back to 2007 and checked lap times, and they are MUCH faster now than they were then. 2008 James had the fast lap time at 2:18, the LITES are 10 seconds a lap faster than that this year.
The track is nothing like it was in 07. Different layout.
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dantheman wrote:
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that...
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that flared up at the start of the 2009 motocross season... we might have seen another rider go about ten years undefeated in outdoor titles(250's & 450's).

But again, RC is a freak to survive his career, with being one of the fastest ever, with ONLY missing a single Supercross series.
Yea, and if James didn't have a knee injury at the beginning of the season!Dry see what I did there?
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MOTOXMO 7/21/2013 5:16pm
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Well! look at the Leg injury Villopoto started the 2011 Supercross season with, I read in an Interview that he was very unsure of the Leg at first, especially considering his Fibia and Tibia Snapped and he didn't have any feeling in his Foot. Anyways! that didn't seem to slow RV down, basically all these riders are racing with some sort of an Injury and RV has had a Bunch of them, Wrist surgery, Broken collarbone, ACL, Tibia and Fibia broken and I'm sure there are some others I can't think of right now.
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dantheman wrote:
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that...
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that flared up at the start of the 2009 motocross season... we might have seen another rider go about ten years undefeated in outdoor titles(250's & 450's).

But again, RC is a freak to survive his career, with being one of the fastest ever, with ONLY missing a single Supercross series.
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Yea, and if James didn't have a knee injury at the beginning of the season!Dry see what I did there?
Yeah, you compared apples to oranges in an attempt to be clever, only to prove that you're not! Good on you Wink
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dantheman wrote:
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that...
While I don't think he was going to match RC's records/undefeated seasons, I do think that had it not been for that preexisting knee injury that flared up at the start of the 2009 motocross season... we might have seen another rider go about ten years undefeated in outdoor titles(250's & 450's).

But again, RC is a freak to survive his career, with being one of the fastest ever, with ONLY missing a single Supercross series.
rcm406 wrote:
Yea, and if James didn't have a knee injury at the beginning of the season!Dry see what I did there?
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Yeah, you compared apples to oranges in an attempt to be clever, only to prove that you're not! Good on you Wink
Uh ok, apples & oranges? The "what if" questions on apply to RV! Please forgive me, I forgot.Kissing
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MOTOXMO wrote:
Well! look at the Leg injury Villopoto started the 2011 Supercross season with, I read in an Interview that he was very unsure of the Leg...
Well! look at the Leg injury Villopoto started the 2011 Supercross season with, I read in an Interview that he was very unsure of the Leg at first, especially considering his Fibia and Tibia Snapped and he didn't have any feeling in his Foot. Anyways! that didn't seem to slow RV down, basically all these riders are racing with some sort of an Injury and RV has had a Bunch of them, Wrist surgery, Broken collarbone, ACL, Tibia and Fibia broken and I'm sure there are some others I can't think of right now.
NOOB ?
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MOTOXMO wrote:
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart...
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart use to battle, but the Ryans are absolutely on a different level right now compared to the rest of the field. The Bikes are Faster, the Competition is more stacked, but they're destroying the field worse then when RC and JS use to do it. I get nervous watching Villopoto sometimes, he's riding so fast and on the edge that it looks like his bike is about to explode. If he stays Healthy, he's going to be a Headache for the competion for awhile, while racking up Championships.
Robgvx wrote:
Yup. Those old school riders sucked.

So sick.
They're all super fast. All the way back to fourtieth and all the way back to Mr. Smith.
That includes all disciplines as well.
On any given Sunday one may be faster/quicker than the others.
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Cook441 7/21/2013 7:13pm
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That pass on Stewart was sick....That bradshaw footage was sweet and I was there but I also noticed no one went outside in that corner this year..that track is sooooooo fast now compared to the old days its mind blowing to see in person...I don't know if its because of timed practice (no hay bayles in practice to create multiple lines), or the progression but it's scary how fast and really one lined it was.

Personally I think RV's style (rear wheel riding) and 4 strokes are the deadly combination that wasn't present in his amateur 80 days and thus the difference. That speed on Satuirday was mind blowing and I have been there every year since 1991. Not saying RC and JS couldn't do it but they race the track differently IMO
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he hit all the corners PERFECT today. funny thing is tomac was the only one to take the same lines rv did. I really thought rd...
he hit all the corners PERFECT today. funny thing is tomac was the only one to take the same lines rv did. I really thought rd might follow him and tryrvs lines but he never did. great racing though
I agree, RV railing the outside lines was clearly faster than Dungey fighting the inside lines. It was very apparent in the corner after the triple leading up to the step up. Dungey seems to be there speed wise but just a touch off . BTW I consider it a privilege and a treat to witness these athletes perform their craft a such a high level.
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sharkey 7/21/2013 9:37pm
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he hit all the corners PERFECT today. funny thing is tomac was the only one to take the same lines rv did. I really thought rd...
he hit all the corners PERFECT today. funny thing is tomac was the only one to take the same lines rv did. I really thought rd might follow him and tryrvs lines but he never did. great racing though
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I agree, RV railing the outside lines was clearly faster than Dungey fighting the inside lines. It was very apparent in the corner after the triple...
I agree, RV railing the outside lines was clearly faster than Dungey fighting the inside lines. It was very apparent in the corner after the triple leading up to the step up. Dungey seems to be there speed wise but just a touch off . BTW I consider it a privilege and a treat to witness these athletes perform their craft a such a high level.
another place was Rv and tomac would keep to the right side of the ski jump almost to the point of going off the track then dive inside thru the s turn. it was so much faster it was crazy. where rd and kroc would stay inside and have to slow up a lot more thru the corner. the other guys would only have to ease up a bit
matthew.hall.23 7/21/2013 10:54pm
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Germany isn't a home advantage for cairoli or herlings btw Kroc is German though and he'll beat villopoto
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TDeath21 7/21/2013 11:59pm
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Villopoto will be considered the 2nd best rider of all time when it's all said and done. It really sucks for Dungey. He's one of the greatest ever, but there just happens to be an even better rider out there. Almost identical to Reed and Carmichael.
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MOTOXMO wrote:
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart...
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart use to battle, but the Ryans are absolutely on a different level right now compared to the rest of the field. The Bikes are Faster, the Competition is more stacked, but they're destroying the field worse then when RC and JS use to do it. I get nervous watching Villopoto sometimes, he's riding so fast and on the edge that it looks like his bike is about to explode. If he stays Healthy, he's going to be a Headache for the competion for awhile, while racking up Championships.
Robgvx wrote:
Yup. Those old school riders sucked.

Give me this ANY DAY over todays racing!!

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Robgvx 7/22/2013 2:36am
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Give me this ANY DAY over todays racing!!
It's clear that today:

1. The bikes are more powerful
2. They are easier to ride
3. They hook up better
4. They have better suspension so can traverse the bumps (which are arguably smaller than back in the day) faster
5. That suspension further helps put the power down.
6. The brakes are better

All of those advantages at may equate to shorter lap times, but in my mind does not mean that the riders are necessarily 'faster'.

I don't see any present day riders hitting berms like Bradshaw in that video.
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Robgvx wrote:
It's clear that today: 1. The bikes are more powerful 2. They are easier to ride 3. They hook up better 4. They have better suspension...
It's clear that today:

1. The bikes are more powerful
2. They are easier to ride
3. They hook up better
4. They have better suspension so can traverse the bumps (which are arguably smaller than back in the day) faster
5. That suspension further helps put the power down.
6. The brakes are better

All of those advantages at may equate to shorter lap times, but in my mind does not mean that the riders are necessarily 'faster'.

I don't see any present day riders hitting berms like Bradshaw in that video.
Dont get me wrong, todays racers are still unbelievable athletes and amazing at what they do, but back then the races just seemed more intense and exciting.

Perhaps its me wearing rose-tinted glasses.......
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er0ck33 7/22/2013 5:52am
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The speed he was carrying into that left hander after horsepower hill was ridicious! He was getting so close to that dirt wall...he just carrys so much momentum.
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Eatmydirt03 7/22/2013 8:04am
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Interestingly I heard it mentioned during the race that RV runs the same suspension settings for supercross and motocross and all tracks. Pretty unusual but it...
Interestingly I heard it mentioned during the race that RV runs the same suspension settings for supercross and motocross and all tracks. Pretty unusual but it would give him a bike that reacts the same all the time. And maybe having a bike that acts the same is better than trying to find a perfect set up for every track. Interesting.
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DId you hear this during the broadcast?? Genuinely curious as I doubt RV or any pro rider would be running SX suspension on an outdoor track...
DId you hear this during the broadcast??

Genuinely curious as I doubt RV or any pro rider would be running SX suspension on an outdoor track with the exception of maybe a sand track
It said that he was using the same suspension set up since Southwick but he uses the same tire pattern & compound since SX.
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Others in the paddock may have different ideas of the hows and whys.
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I missed the part where someone said RC never ran as fast as Villopoto. With the improvements in bikes over the years, I think there is...
I missed the part where someone said RC never ran as fast as Villopoto. With the improvements in bikes over the years, I think there is a big difference in the actual speed they are running now compared to 2006 and 2007 when Ricky Carmichael was Dominating. It's like comparing RC of 2006 to McGrath in the 90's, both are great riders, but McGrath on a 90's 250 wouldn't have a chance against Ricky Carmichaels 2006 RMZ450. Same with Villopoto now, he's one of the Fastest ever and the fact that he's on the best and most advanced Motocross bikes ever up to this point, it shouldn't be a surprise that he's riding faster than anyone ever has and I think RC would agree that the speeds have increased since he was racing. Just my opinion. We'll get a chance to see what Cairoli and Herlings have for Villopoto at the MXDN and they have the Home field advantage, so if he beats them there, he truly is the Fastest MX rider on the Planet
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Could not have said it better myself.
except for the fact that neither Cairoli or Herlings are German?
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TeamGreen 7/22/2013 8:42am
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So, here's what I can take away from all of this...since I missed it all while riding in Baja...

RV beat RD & he's a Better "Racer".
RC's bikes during his last years at Suzuki are just as Out-Dated as MC's '96 CR250R.
The New tracks are Golf-Courses & ONLY REAL MEN rode the old tracks.
RV runs massive Spring-Rates Outdoors and is still running the same front tire that they mounted at A1.
Europe should be worried.
RV actually IS faster than the Speed of Light.
The JS7 Fan-Boys are worried
The RD Fan-Boys are holding out for Millville.
Tomac isn't quite ready for The Big Time.
Lap Times show that these new guys are Sissy-Boys...'cause the Track is EXACTLY the same Now as it was THEN.

So, anything else happen this weekend?

Btw, someone stole my Lazer-Pointer; so, please keep an Eye out for it.
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MOTOXMO wrote:
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart...
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart use to battle, but the Ryans are absolutely on a different level right now compared to the rest of the field. The Bikes are Faster, the Competition is more stacked, but they're destroying the field worse then when RC and JS use to do it. I get nervous watching Villopoto sometimes, he's riding so fast and on the edge that it looks like his bike is about to explode. If he stays Healthy, he's going to be a Headache for the competion for awhile, while racking up Championships.
Robgvx wrote:
Yup. Those old school riders sucked.

Dude didn't you hear? The Pros from the 90s ride like todays Novice class....damn novices are railing these days.
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RV actually picked up on a couple of RD's lines. One of them was very obvious that RD would gap Villo every lap and once RV picked it up, Dungey lost that breathing room. I believe it was the corner after RV made the pass. Which is odd they both went to the inside there when the faster line was outside.

Emig said it right during the broadcast. As long as that front tire is pointed where they want to go, they don't give a crap about anything else. It's so bizarre to watch RV. He looks like he's on the edge or a horrific crash constantly. RD looks very in control but I think he loses confidence riding on that edge. And that confidence is what got him to where he is now. I think it would be interesting to see RD try a high profile trainer for a season and see what happens. He's doing damn good on his own but it's not where he wants to be. I can understand his hesitation to hire a trainer though,
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Having been right at the finish line/sweeper section where RV passed Dungey in the second moto, I can say that my jaw is still on the ground somewhere in the Washougal dirt. Feet on the pegs, flying thru the sweeper, soaking up the bumps, charging harder into the corner. It was beyond rad, blew my fucking mind to pieces. Jeff Alessi is more than welcome to shine lasers in my eyes before the gate drops if that's the kinda speed that follows.

I watched the race broadcast on DVR yesterday, and I remember saying that I don't mind if the camera follows Villopoto around even if that's not where the race action is at. He's that fast and that fun to watch, and he's always going balls to the wall speedy fast. Dungey and James have serious speed, it's just the aggression that Villopoto has that is so reminiscent of RC and Bradshaw and even the young Bubba.
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MOTOXMO wrote:
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart...
I was watching Washougal today and I use to think I'd never see two riders as fast on the track when Ricky Carmichael and James Stewart use to battle, but the Ryans are absolutely on a different level right now compared to the rest of the field. The Bikes are Faster, the Competition is more stacked, but they're destroying the field worse then when RC and JS use to do it. I get nervous watching Villopoto sometimes, he's riding so fast and on the edge that it looks like his bike is about to explode. If he stays Healthy, he's going to be a Headache for the competion for awhile, while racking up Championships.
Robgvx wrote:
Yup. Those old school riders sucked.

Thanks for posting this clip. I have that race on VHS and I guarantee I've watched that very sequence well over 100 times, quite possibly 200. I just got chills rewatching it and rewinded it easily 30x! Smile Smile Smile Loved Bradshaw and was ecstatic when he returned. Moments like that are things I will never forget and make a fan always wonder "what if" his career had gone differently. How deflated do you think Ryno was to get passed like that?
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GarySemics 7/22/2013 1:55pm
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Brapp wrote:
I went back to 2007 and checked lap times, and they are MUCH faster now than they were then. 2008 James had the fast lap time...
I went back to 2007 and checked lap times, and they are MUCH faster now than they were then. 2008 James had the fast lap time at 2:18, the LITES are 10 seconds a lap faster than that this year.
How can you make that comparison? Lap times usually change by the hour because of changes with the soil. 2007, you're talking 6 years. Some of the track layout might even be different by now.

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