Cianciarullo target on his back?

wired4speed 7/8/2013 5:10pm
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I only watched AC race at Southwick. For only being in his second professional race I thought he put on a great showing and will be a threat as he puts on a few more pounds.
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One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo.

He's clearly been rushed out there before he was ready, and if he had any other name he wouldn't have very many defenders.

Justin Hill is also a rookie, on the same bike, on the same team. He's doing better than AC, and many have already written him off as a bust.

Cianciarulo does seem to have all of the elements for his program in place, and odds are he'll get better and better. Maybe he'll even get there before his hype runs out.
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I remember when James came out and instantly began to dominate! I think gone are those days as there are so many good and fast riders coming up through the amateurs! AC may never be the dominant rider he used to be! I have often wondered why riders like him who were so damn dominant in the AM's only to move up and be the middle of the pack kindov guy against some of the same people ie Webb etc?
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KennyT wrote:
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one...
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one thing I do like about him is that he seems to ride within his ability and is not constantly wadding it up like Bell did when he came up. So to me that means he is smart and in this sport that is a rare quality. Based in what I have seen so far I think he will be top 5 next year and making some podiums.

And I do not know so I am asking. Do you really believe his bikes were any better than the other top amateurs he was racing against? I would think most of the heavily sponsored riders are all on pretty decent equipment
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agree with this....
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time.

Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys from PC had to rebuild them every moto last year at Loretta's.

I'm not saying Adam isn't a good rider; I'm saying Adam isn't coming out swinging like all of you people said he would. Thread after thread saying 1-1, top 5, ect... No one has had the hype or support Adam has had since Alessi and James. That being said, Mike and James backed up the hype.

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lostboy819 7/8/2013 5:55pm
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I watched it several time and still cant see what you girls are whining about.
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j100 wrote:
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time. Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys...
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time.

Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys from PC had to rebuild them every moto last year at Loretta's.

I'm not saying Adam isn't a good rider; I'm saying Adam isn't coming out swinging like all of you people said he would. Thread after thread saying 1-1, top 5, ect... No one has had the hype or support Adam has had since Alessi and James. That being said, Mike and James backed up the hype.
He's raced 3 races and finished them all, he's healthy and will live to fight another day, that seems to be 90% of the battle for all these phenoms. Bell being the most recent example of this. I doubt anybody in the know really expected him to go 1-1 at all this year, just some of the know nothing's on here.

As far as the rebuilding of superminis every moto at lorettas. Why wouldn't they do it? They got plenty of time between races and it's a cheap insurance for a factory effort, and I'm sure they weren't the only ones doing it.
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KennyT wrote:
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one...
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one thing I do like about him is that he seems to ride within his ability and is not constantly wadding it up like Bell did when he came up. So to me that means he is smart and in this sport that is a rare quality. Based in what I have seen so far I think he will be top 5 next year and making some podiums.

And I do not know so I am asking. Do you really believe his bikes were any better than the other top amateurs he was racing against? I would think most of the heavily sponsored riders are all on pretty decent equipment
therealjonon wrote:
agree with this....
j100 wrote:
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time. Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys...
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time.

Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys from PC had to rebuild them every moto last year at Loretta's.

I'm not saying Adam isn't a good rider; I'm saying Adam isn't coming out swinging like all of you people said he would. Thread after thread saying 1-1, top 5, ect... No one has had the hype or support Adam has had since Alessi and James. That being said, Mike and James backed up the hype.
I am most impressed with AC's ability to stay conscious during the motos.

Maybe, just maybe, he is riding within his means and after an illness to start off the year, he realizes he will become what ever it is he will be, in time......

Can’t do that sleeping on the track!
lostboy819 7/8/2013 7:35pm
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Adam43 wrote:
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo. He's clearly been rushed out there before he was...
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo.

He's clearly been rushed out there before he was ready, and if he had any other name he wouldn't have very many defenders.

Justin Hill is also a rookie, on the same bike, on the same team. He's doing better than AC, and many have already written him off as a bust.

Cianciarulo does seem to have all of the elements for his program in place, and odds are he'll get better and better. Maybe he'll even get there before his hype runs out.
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Jordan421 7/8/2013 7:39pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I watched it several time and still cant see what you girls are whining about.
a lot of people that post on here have either never race in mx before or have sand in their vaginas. ac was holding kc up and ac was making it tough to get around him. so kc got piss and when he got his chance for the pass, he whip it in his face. IMO, what kc did was bad ass, we need more aggressive racing like that these days.
lostboy819 7/8/2013 7:43pm
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lostboy819 wrote:
I watched it several time and still cant see what you girls are whining about.
Jordan421 wrote:
a lot of people that post on here have either never race in mx before or have sand in their vaginas. ac was holding kc up...
a lot of people that post on here have either never race in mx before or have sand in their vaginas. ac was holding kc up and ac was making it tough to get around him. so kc got piss and when he got his chance for the pass, he whip it in his face. IMO, what kc did was bad ass, we need more aggressive racing like that these days.
HELL YES !!!!!
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jhansen510 7/8/2013 8:54pm
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I concurr! J100 is on team crash aka Bell so it doesn't surprise me he hates AC. AC will be good but not sure if he will be great.
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Adam43 wrote:
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo. He's clearly been rushed out there before he was...
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo.

He's clearly been rushed out there before he was ready, and if he had any other name he wouldn't have very many defenders.

Justin Hill is also a rookie, on the same bike, on the same team. He's doing better than AC, and many have already written him off as a bust.

Cianciarulo does seem to have all of the elements for his program in place, and odds are he'll get better and better. Maybe he'll even get there before his hype runs out.
id say lil hill is bust so far. mitch mentioned it in a pulpcast (southwick) that hes been pretty mediocre no flashes of speed. and im pretty sure AC has already matched Hills best finish in half as many races
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bd 7/8/2013 10:21pm
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Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class......

Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders.

RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't start banging out wins in their first season.

If there is no big injury, you can bet your ass Z Bell, Bogle, AC292, AC Cooper, Martin, Hill etc will be banging bars for wins
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karnivool 7/8/2013 10:29pm
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If JAMES STEWART had pulled a POS move like that...this would be 8-10 pages already... just saying...I am rooting for KC to stay right where he...
If JAMES STEWART had pulled a POS move like that...this would be 8-10 pages already...

just saying...I am rooting for KC to stay right where he is, at the back of the pack
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I think Cunningham is 7th in points right now. I'm guessing about 33 other riders would like to be 7th in points. Hardly back ot the...
I think Cunningham is 7th in points right now. I'm guessing about 33 other riders would like to be 7th in points. Hardly back ot the pack.
I'm guessing that if you were racing, that YOU would be in the back of the pack.
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However you're right about 8-10 pages if its anything to criticize Stewart.
nice try bro but the old 'you would be in last' thing is a noob trick.

news flash, we are all bench racers...keyword being bench, as in none of us on here are legit pros(even though some will say)...

so its then just smack talk and here say...

the point is, karma is a bitch and KC has been known to throw enough around, it'll find him one day or maybe his karma is always being a 5-10 place guy, never more...(and yes I would love to be that slow-fast)... Smile

but if I was I wouldn't pull a move that clearly could have ended tragically for both...

Peeps round here would be crawlin out the woodwork to string Stewart up if he did anything like it...and believe it or not I trust 7's ability on a bike way more than KC(he has the worst riding form ever seen, but who am i...)
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It was close, yes.. But nothing happend.. It's racing and i loved it! Everytime i see KC ride, i'm amazed.. He looks like having NO control...
It was close, yes.. But nothing happend.. It's racing and i loved it!
Everytime i see KC ride, i'm amazed.. He looks like having NO control at all.. His head always hanging loose Tongue ..
Haha yeah I've noticed that too. What's up with his head position? Looks like a goon rider from time to time haha...
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bd wrote:
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class...... Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders. RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't...
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class......

Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders.

RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't start banging out wins in their first season.

If there is no big injury, you can bet your ass Z Bell, Bogle, AC292, AC Cooper, Martin, Hill etc will be banging bars for wins
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned.

RC - started winning immediately
JS - started winning immediately
RV - started winning immediately
RD - started winning immediately (he won his first ever SX race and a couple more that season)
TC - started winning immediately
AS - Stroupe led a good chunk of his first moto and won a few SX races his first season
JB - led laps early and won a race his first year
ET - won his first ever pro race and was competitive in SX immediately
ZB - led laps in his first couple of motos (though I think this kid IS a bust because I'm not sure he's finished a single race yet without crashing)

When AC is expected to be on the wall of greats, one might think he would follow the path of most of the greats by winning immediately, if not at least leading some laps here and there. Thus far, his performances have been far from inspiring. As has been mentioned in this thread earlier, the kid went straight from Super-minis to the pro ranks - only racing MAYBE a handful of times on the 250 before going pro. I like AC - he seems like a really great kid with his head on straight. He's a breath of fresh air for this sport. I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro.

That all being said, Mitch has been FAR more successful in the sport than I could even dream of being.
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Is it possible that he is still trying to get back to full strength from when he was sick???


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bd wrote:
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class...... Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders. RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't...
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class......

Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders.

RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't start banging out wins in their first season.

If there is no big injury, you can bet your ass Z Bell, Bogle, AC292, AC Cooper, Martin, Hill etc will be banging bars for wins
Grieby54 wrote:
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned. RC - started winning immediately...
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned.

RC - started winning immediately
JS - started winning immediately
RV - started winning immediately
RD - started winning immediately (he won his first ever SX race and a couple more that season)
TC - started winning immediately
AS - Stroupe led a good chunk of his first moto and won a few SX races his first season
JB - led laps early and won a race his first year
ET - won his first ever pro race and was competitive in SX immediately
ZB - led laps in his first couple of motos (though I think this kid IS a bust because I'm not sure he's finished a single race yet without crashing)

When AC is expected to be on the wall of greats, one might think he would follow the path of most of the greats by winning immediately, if not at least leading some laps here and there. Thus far, his performances have been far from inspiring. As has been mentioned in this thread earlier, the kid went straight from Super-minis to the pro ranks - only racing MAYBE a handful of times on the 250 before going pro. I like AC - he seems like a really great kid with his head on straight. He's a breath of fresh air for this sport. I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro.

That all being said, Mitch has been FAR more successful in the sport than I could even dream of being.
It reminds me very much of the Alessi situation. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him ever winning anything in the pros. Im not bashing...we will see but just because he won everything as an amateur dosnt mean he will have the man strength to compete against the top guys. Thats been my feelings all along and its playing out just like I thought. Cooper Webb is smoking him every moto...times are changing.
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P wrote:
Is it possible that he is still trying to get back to full strength from when he was sick???


P
P, are you questioning the infinite wisdom of the Vitard Nation? Silly you.
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bd wrote:
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class...... Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders. RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't...
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class......

Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders.

RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't start banging out wins in their first season.

If there is no big injury, you can bet your ass Z Bell, Bogle, AC292, AC Cooper, Martin, Hill etc will be banging bars for wins
Grieby54 wrote:
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned. RC - started winning immediately...
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned.

RC - started winning immediately
JS - started winning immediately
RV - started winning immediately
RD - started winning immediately (he won his first ever SX race and a couple more that season)
TC - started winning immediately
AS - Stroupe led a good chunk of his first moto and won a few SX races his first season
JB - led laps early and won a race his first year
ET - won his first ever pro race and was competitive in SX immediately
ZB - led laps in his first couple of motos (though I think this kid IS a bust because I'm not sure he's finished a single race yet without crashing)

When AC is expected to be on the wall of greats, one might think he would follow the path of most of the greats by winning immediately, if not at least leading some laps here and there. Thus far, his performances have been far from inspiring. As has been mentioned in this thread earlier, the kid went straight from Super-minis to the pro ranks - only racing MAYBE a handful of times on the 250 before going pro. I like AC - he seems like a really great kid with his head on straight. He's a breath of fresh air for this sport. I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro.

That all being said, Mitch has been FAR more successful in the sport than I could even dream of being.
COAL-TRAIN wrote:
It reminds me very much of the Alessi situation. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him ever winning anything...
It reminds me very much of the Alessi situation. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him ever winning anything in the pros. Im not bashing...we will see but just because he won everything as an amateur dosnt mean he will have the man strength to compete against the top guys. Thats been my feelings all along and its playing out just like I thought. Cooper Webb is smoking him every moto...times are changing.
Coal-Train, i don't think comparing Alessi to AC292 is even close...

Alessi's Dad can be heard in an interview saying "mike has better form than Carmichael so therefore he is going to beat him right away"

Alessi's dad commissioned the T-shirts that said 'believe the hype' for the 2004 millville national(his coming out party)...

the hype around Alessi was nothing but arrogance, I was there in 2004 to witness it...AC292 has his resume as his hype and the fact that Mitch payton and company took a strong interest earlier than they usually do...doesn't mean the kid is a cocky jerk...just means they see something we don't...

i remember Baggett riding a sub factory team bike a few years ago and now he has a pretty low number if I am not mistaken...it's all about potential...

I have been riding amatuer moto for 23 years, and watching for about 27 years...and what I see in Webb is...I will be suprised if he actually rises to the top of the food chain...not sure what it is but I will be surprised...Ac292 on the other hand will go one of two directions...(just like stroupe), he will either rocket to the top next year, or get hurt and begin the decline...

I hope all the rookies do well...wishing them all the best...it's fun to watch them grow up and some of you are just butt hurt that you or your kid didn't make it...lame...

carry on
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karnivool 7/9/2013 7:50pm
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KennyT wrote:
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one...
I honestly do not follow the amateur scene much so I cannot be a good judge if this kid is way overhyped or not. But one thing I do like about him is that he seems to ride within his ability and is not constantly wadding it up like Bell did when he came up. So to me that means he is smart and in this sport that is a rare quality. Based in what I have seen so far I think he will be top 5 next year and making some podiums.

And I do not know so I am asking. Do you really believe his bikes were any better than the other top amateurs he was racing against? I would think most of the heavily sponsored riders are all on pretty decent equipment
therealjonon wrote:
agree with this....
j100 wrote:
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time. Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys...
I do follow and have followed the amateur scene for a long time.

Adam's supermini's were above and beyond what anyone else could buy. The guys from PC had to rebuild them every moto last year at Loretta's.

I'm not saying Adam isn't a good rider; I'm saying Adam isn't coming out swinging like all of you people said he would. Thread after thread saying 1-1, top 5, ect... No one has had the hype or support Adam has had since Alessi and James. That being said, Mike and James backed up the hype.
Mike backed up the hype?

no way did you just say that...do some research...he was claiming to beat carmichael...and he never once finished a moto ahead of him...no way can you say he backed it up like Bubba...Bubba came in and cleaned house in the tiddler class and would have done the same in the big boy class if not for some guy name the GOAT...(a few others had a tough time beating that GOAT as well...)...Bubba still went and won a race or two i believe...where is 800 on the wins list of anything?

Alessi has made a career of it no doubt and I am a little hard on him(don't like talkers, prefer doers), but came in with the same titles that james had as a mini bike racer...they had more money to put into their bikes which is why they beat villopoto most of their amatuer career...oh how things have changed when it comes down to desire instead of daddy's tactics...

holy rant batman...
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Dude Bro.. whip-blocks are so f'kin sweet! It's the way to shut down a punk that is holding you up. it ain't enough to pass the...
Dude Bro.. whip-blocks are so f'kin sweet! It's the way to shut down a punk that is holding you up. it ain't enough to pass the guy you gotta put him in fear of his life so he don't fug wit you again. Get a life pussies. Leave my sport or I'll wreck ya on the track! that's how it is!
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bd 7/9/2013 8:08pm
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bd wrote:
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class...... Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders. RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't...
Lets slow down on calling rider's busts in the 250F mx class......

Lechein, RC, Bubba, RV are special riders.

RD5, Wardy, db, Dymond, Mcgrath, Emig.... didn't start banging out wins in their first season.

If there is no big injury, you can bet your ass Z Bell, Bogle, AC292, AC Cooper, Martin, Hill etc will be banging bars for wins
Grieby54 wrote:
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned. RC - started winning immediately...
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned.

RC - started winning immediately
JS - started winning immediately
RV - started winning immediately
RD - started winning immediately (he won his first ever SX race and a couple more that season)
TC - started winning immediately
AS - Stroupe led a good chunk of his first moto and won a few SX races his first season
JB - led laps early and won a race his first year
ET - won his first ever pro race and was competitive in SX immediately
ZB - led laps in his first couple of motos (though I think this kid IS a bust because I'm not sure he's finished a single race yet without crashing)

When AC is expected to be on the wall of greats, one might think he would follow the path of most of the greats by winning immediately, if not at least leading some laps here and there. Thus far, his performances have been far from inspiring. As has been mentioned in this thread earlier, the kid went straight from Super-minis to the pro ranks - only racing MAYBE a handful of times on the 250 before going pro. I like AC - he seems like a really great kid with his head on straight. He's a breath of fresh air for this sport. I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro.

That all being said, Mitch has been FAR more successful in the sport than I could even dream of being.
"I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro."

You've produced and coached champions in pro motocross and supercross? Please expand on your AC292 road map into the bigs.... I am curious.
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Adam43 wrote:
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo. He's clearly been rushed out there before he was...
One thing the Cianciarulo camp has done better than anyone is building the hype around Adam Cianciarulo.

He's clearly been rushed out there before he was ready, and if he had any other name he wouldn't have very many defenders.

Justin Hill is also a rookie, on the same bike, on the same team. He's doing better than AC, and many have already written him off as a bust.

Cianciarulo does seem to have all of the elements for his program in place, and odds are he'll get better and better. Maybe he'll even get there before his hype runs out.
When Cianciarulo's camp (AC292, Mitch Payton, A Baker, RV2) ever sell the AC292 hype? Have you listened to AC292.... he speaks a different tune.
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Grieby54 7/9/2013 8:20pm
7/9/2013 8:20pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2013 8:21pm
bd wrote:
"I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3...
"I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro."

You've produced and coached champions in pro motocross and supercross? Please expand on your AC292 road map into the bigs.... I am curious.
Reading isn't your strong point is it? Read the last sentence again, dumbass.

However, my road map would have included at least one more year as amateur.
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bd 7/9/2013 8:28pm
7/9/2013 8:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/9/2013 8:30pm
Nahh.... braahhhh! I saw the Mitch Payton disclaimer. However, part your ego believes you are smarter than AC292’s camp. One hell of a road map…..

I think AC292 better listen to Payton and Baker. Both have produced champions. How many champions have you produced?

I hear fucking crickets beeeyotch!

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Cook441 7/9/2013 10:38pm
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Grieby54 wrote:
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned. RC - started winning immediately...
Everybody was expecting AC to be the next big thing. The next rider on that list of greats that you mentioned.

RC - started winning immediately
JS - started winning immediately
RV - started winning immediately
RD - started winning immediately (he won his first ever SX race and a couple more that season)
TC - started winning immediately
AS - Stroupe led a good chunk of his first moto and won a few SX races his first season
JB - led laps early and won a race his first year
ET - won his first ever pro race and was competitive in SX immediately
ZB - led laps in his first couple of motos (though I think this kid IS a bust because I'm not sure he's finished a single race yet without crashing)

When AC is expected to be on the wall of greats, one might think he would follow the path of most of the greats by winning immediately, if not at least leading some laps here and there. Thus far, his performances have been far from inspiring. As has been mentioned in this thread earlier, the kid went straight from Super-minis to the pro ranks - only racing MAYBE a handful of times on the 250 before going pro. I like AC - he seems like a really great kid with his head on straight. He's a breath of fresh air for this sport. I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro.

That all being said, Mitch has been FAR more successful in the sport than I could even dream of being.
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It reminds me very much of the Alessi situation. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him ever winning anything...
It reminds me very much of the Alessi situation. I would love to see him do well but I just don't see him ever winning anything in the pros. Im not bashing...we will see but just because he won everything as an amateur dosnt mean he will have the man strength to compete against the top guys. Thats been my feelings all along and its playing out just like I thought. Cooper Webb is smoking him every moto...times are changing.
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Coal-Train, i don't think comparing Alessi to AC292 is even close... Alessi's Dad can be heard in an interview saying "mike has better form than Carmichael...
Coal-Train, i don't think comparing Alessi to AC292 is even close...

Alessi's Dad can be heard in an interview saying "mike has better form than Carmichael so therefore he is going to beat him right away"

Alessi's dad commissioned the T-shirts that said 'believe the hype' for the 2004 millville national(his coming out party)...

the hype around Alessi was nothing but arrogance, I was there in 2004 to witness it...AC292 has his resume as his hype and the fact that Mitch payton and company took a strong interest earlier than they usually do...doesn't mean the kid is a cocky jerk...just means they see something we don't...

i remember Baggett riding a sub factory team bike a few years ago and now he has a pretty low number if I am not mistaken...it's all about potential...

I have been riding amatuer moto for 23 years, and watching for about 27 years...and what I see in Webb is...I will be suprised if he actually rises to the top of the food chain...not sure what it is but I will be surprised...Ac292 on the other hand will go one of two directions...(just like stroupe), he will either rocket to the top next year, or get hurt and begin the decline...

I hope all the rookies do well...wishing them all the best...it's fun to watch them grow up and some of you are just butt hurt that you or your kid didn't make it...lame...

carry on
this sucker is Lengthy but dead on...I too have been racing and watching closely for a long time.....Spot on Bro!!!!

PS I knew Alessi was in trouble when I read a K-Dub interview where Alessi says to Kdub something like "Sure skipping those whoops is fast but you just can't do it the whole race" and Kdub is like dude aren't you watching that's exactly what Iam doing...:D
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Motodave15 7/9/2013 11:31pm
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bd wrote:
"I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3...
"I also think that it was a huge mistake to rush him into his pro debut. He should have tried winning an amateur title or 3 on the 250 before considering going pro."

You've produced and coached champions in pro motocross and supercross? Please expand on your AC292 road map into the bigs.... I am curious.
Fence Sitter 7/10/2013 3:47am
7/10/2013 3:47am
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Dave you have too much time on your hands...... but that is hilarious

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