The Truth - Last Southwick National

Law 131
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A quick summary:

• I started this thread because of what I perceived to be unacceptable apathy
regarding this issue. I was pissed at my MX brothers!

• A little research lead me to 22 WWLP.com where I found the following quote,
“Pittello told 22News the track needed a big financial investment to keep it on the
national level, but was willing to do it."

• I drew, what I believe, is a reasonable conclusion from the above quote. That is,
MX Sports is requiring the Pittello’s to invest heavily in the facility.

• Others have suggested that I am making things up.

• The principal of MX Sports has stated that MX Sports demanded nothing from
the Legion. Of utmost importance, HE DID NOT SAY that nothing was demanded from
the Pittello’s.

• No objective journalistic investigation and report exists regarding this issue.

• I’m satisfied that, at least, that the 'love fest" has been put aside for some tough questioning.
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6/30/2013 6:57am
i can see mxsports requesting the track to make improvements
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6/30/2013 7:12am
Cant they just go up on rider fees to cover up grades ?
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6/30/2013 7:30am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 7:56am
DC wrote:
Mr. Law, I hate that the American Legion 338 did not renew the lease for Ralph and Diane Pitello of Moto-X 338. We all did everything...
Mr. Law, I hate that the American Legion 338 did not renew the lease for Ralph and Diane Pitello of Moto-X 338. We all did everything we could to make the event work, and we never demanded a single thing from the Legion -- I don't even know who they are, so how in the hell could I make a demand? They never even came out to introduce themselves, and I was out there working on the track since Thursday.

The people who worked on that track and facility for the last twenty years just retired because the terms from the Legion, not MX Sports, went out of their reach. What in the world are we supposed to do now?

Ralph and Diane put their heart and souls into Moto-X 338 for years and years, until they couldn't afford the rent that the landowner -- the Legion, not MX Sports -- demanded to continue holding races there. There is no conspiracy there, it's the unfortunate truth, and it sucks for everyone, especially Ralph and Diane.

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As long as nesc is racing there I'll be going. It's all bullshit as far as in concerned.

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6/30/2013 7:53am
Well, after this thread I'm still not convinced one way or the other what the real reason for losing Southwick is. The one big thing I hate about the sport is that everyone and everything has to be a big secret and I don't understand why.. It's just dirtbike racing. It's supposed to be about that simple blue collar sport we all grew up doing. Getting dirty, having fun with the family out riding some dirt scooters. It's just become all about the money and politics now. Who knows where it will be in 25yrs. Sure looks like it will be divided at some point.
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Ok DC, what are the demands on the promoters? We figured out you do not contract with the Legion.
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6/30/2013 8:01am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 8:02am
Law 131 wrote:
A quick summary: • I started this thread because of what I perceived to be unacceptable apathy regarding this issue. I was pissed at my MX...
A quick summary:

• I started this thread because of what I perceived to be unacceptable apathy
regarding this issue. I was pissed at my MX brothers!

• A little research lead me to 22 WWLP.com where I found the following quote,
“Pittello told 22News the track needed a big financial investment to keep it on the
national level, but was willing to do it."

• I drew, what I believe, is a reasonable conclusion from the above quote. That is,
MX Sports is requiring the Pittello’s to invest heavily in the facility.

• Others have suggested that I am making things up.

• The principal of MX Sports has stated that MX Sports demanded nothing from
the Legion. Of utmost importance, HE DID NOT SAY that nothing was demanded from
the Pittello’s.

• No objective journalistic investigation and report exists regarding this issue.

• I’m satisfied that, at least, that the 'love fest" has been put aside for some tough questioning.
The problem is that you've decided who to throw under the bus and then drew your inferences. Here's another inference: the legion and the promoter have lost their race, and if MXSports was demanding unwarranted improvements, then those two parties would have nothing to lose by trashing those demands. Just as Feldkamp did. But they haven't. They've both said they are willing to do the improvements. As whatever the improvements are, that still begs the question of what terms caused the promoter and the legion to go impasse.
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6/30/2013 8:07am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 8:08am
mxjef wrote:
Back when tracks were real... May 10 Glen Helen Raceway Park Motocross San Bernardino, CA May 17 Prairie City SVRA Park Motocross Sacramento, CA May 24...
Back when tracks were real...

May 10 Glen Helen Raceway Park Motocross
San Bernardino, CA

May 17 Prairie City SVRA Park Motocross
Sacramento, CA

May 24 High Point Raceway Motocross
Mt. Morris, PA

June 14 Motocross 338 Motocross
Southwick, MA

June 21 Budds Creek Motocross Park Motocross
Budds Creek, MD

July 5 Red Bud Track-N-Trail Motocross
Buchanan, MI

July 19 Unadilla Valley Sports Center Motocross
New Berlin, NY

July 26 Kenworthy's Motocross Park Motocross
Troy, OH

August 2 Washougal Motocross Park Motocross
Washougal, WA

August 16 Spring Creek Motocross Park Motocross
Millville, MN

August 30 Broome-Tioga Sports Center Motocross
Binghamton, NY

September 6 Steel City Raceway Motocross
To be clear, that' schedule changed before DMG bought AMA Pro and the nationals and farmed it out to MXSports. Troy and Binghamton were already gone by 2007.
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Well, I have no reason not to believe what DC says about the situation.
Now that said, is MX Sports in it to make money? Hell yes. Profit is not a dirty word.

But I really do believe DC loves MX, and is doing whats best for the sport and it's future.

I've been into moto for many years,
and I never thought I'd be watching the Nats live in hi def.

And I'm all for tradition to a point. But some tracks needed to go. Although it would've been nice to see Southwick stay on the schedule. But things change, no biggy. Hopefully DC will find a better place for the event.
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6/30/2013 8:17am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 8:18am
I thought we were having a shit fit about current tracking being to "Supercross-like", but we're defending Troy as a former "real" MX track?

As for the picture above from the Legion Post 338.. does someone not know how to use a camera phone or something??
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Shawn142 wrote:
I thought we were having a shit fit about current tracking being to "Supercross-like", but we're defending Troy as a former "real" MX track? As for...
I thought we were having a shit fit about current tracking being to "Supercross-like", but we're defending Troy as a former "real" MX track?

As for the picture above from the Legion Post 338.. does someone not know how to use a camera phone or something??
Great point Shawn!
We went to that race every year.
And although we always had a blast, it was outdoor SX.
Zero natural terrain.
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6/30/2013 8:41am
My 2 cents.
* DC is a business man. An ambitious business man. One of his goals (maybe his #1 goal) is to maximize profits and to grow his business year after year. No problem so far....Greed is one of the cornerstones of American capitalism.
Stay with me here...
* I think we can all agree that the moto community is not growing year after year. The overall dollars spent on this sport, from the bikes sold, to the gear to the SX tickets, MX tickets, to the t-shirts / energy drinks etc.etc.etc. That overall "pie" is not growing in any significant way.
* So, if DC wants to see his slice of the "pie" get larger each year, that means someone else's piece gets smaller. How do you make that happen?

Open your eyes people. What entity / entities are increasing their slice?
Are the riders increasing their slice?
Are the teams increasing their slice?
Are the track promoters increasing their slice?

I'm not saying he's wrong - he's paid for the right to run this series and he's going to run it the way he wants. He stands to lose the most financially if he destroys the series and he stands to gain the most by his decisions.

So, he's not wrong, but there's an awful lot of us who don't like the direction this series is going. I would like to see a little less greed and a little more investment into the overall health of the sport.
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6/30/2013 8:47am
So is the place closing for good, or have they just gave up the National?
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SIMX wrote:
So is the place closing for good, or have they just gave up the National?
That is somewhat of a loaded question.

The Legion say's it's looking for a new person to lease and Operate the track, But realistically without the National it won't be worth the current price let alone an increase.
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6/30/2013 9:15am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 9:26am
Law 131 wrote:
A quick summary: • I started this thread because of what I perceived to be unacceptable apathy regarding this issue. I was pissed at my MX...
A quick summary:

• I started this thread because of what I perceived to be unacceptable apathy
regarding this issue. I was pissed at my MX brothers!

• A little research lead me to 22 WWLP.com where I found the following quote,
“Pittello told 22News the track needed a big financial investment to keep it on the
national level, but was willing to do it."

• I drew, what I believe, is a reasonable conclusion from the above quote. That is,
MX Sports is requiring the Pittello’s to invest heavily in the facility.

• Others have suggested that I am making things up.

• The principal of MX Sports has stated that MX Sports demanded nothing from
the Legion. Of utmost importance, HE DID NOT SAY that nothing was demanded from
the Pittello’s.

• No objective journalistic investigation and report exists regarding this issue.

• I’m satisfied that, at least, that the 'love fest" has been put aside for some tough questioning.
Here's my quick summary.

If you were at the track this morning, it was an open ride day, and Diane and Ralph were in the booth signing up riders. She was fielding plenty of well wishes, and explaining to anyone who asked what the deal was. Basically, their lease was up, and the Legion wanted to take their annual rent from $20,000 to $100,000. They also keep the money from beer sales and concessions. She also said that the issue is not with MX Sports or DC. They had an open offer of three more years with the National, as long as they could work out their lease agreement.



I asked Ralph about the issue of upgrades, and he told me that upgrades are part of doing business, and that people want nicer facilities. He also said that MX Sports has been flexible about upgrades (like the tunnel under the track before the finish line) that the Asterisk crew uses. MX Sports had asked for that previously, and let it slide for a bit after one of Southwick's rainy years when they had low attendance and couldn't afford to make the changes.

Meanwhile, if you were exiting the track, you'd find these.





There may be racing at the track, but if there is, it'll be with new promoters. If I was guessing, it looks to me like they're trying to force the Pitello's out, thinking that they could take the National for themselves.

Both Ralph and Diane are clearly bummed by the situation. But Ralph said it'll really hit on October 30th, they run the last NESC race at Southwick.
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6/30/2013 9:24am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 9:26am
well law131 looks like the greed is from the legion not mxsports, there you go. rent to go up that much is ridiculous in this economy. no person in their right mind would pay that.
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GuyB,

Info much appreciated.
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"There may be racing at the track, but if there is, it'll be with new promoters. If I was guessing, it looks to me like they're trying to force the Pitello's out, thinking that they could take the National for themselves. "


After reading through all this, this one sentence explains everything and puts all the puzzle pieces in to places.
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6/30/2013 9:36am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 9:43am
kongols wrote:
[i][b]"There may be racing at the track, but if there is, it'll be with new promoters. If I was guessing, it looks to me like they're...
"There may be racing at the track, but if there is, it'll be with new promoters. If I was guessing, it looks to me like they're trying to force the Pitello's out, thinking that they could take the National for themselves. "


After reading through all this, this one sentence explains everything and puts all the puzzle pieces in to places.
Agreed.

Take that and add DC's quote:

"I don't even know who they are, so how in the hell could I make a demand? They never even came out to introduce themselves, and I was out there working on the track since Thursday. "

Are you kidding me? Here is the man who has the juice to give the Legion the national and no one even says hello?

Knowing what I know now, I'd say they Legion, and the Legion alone, is the culprit in this fiasco.

EDIT:

I have serious doubt that the Legion could put on a race. It seems that the Pittello's have probably put up with alot of BS out of the Legion for years. Legion members, sensing an opportunity, want to grab all the cash for themselves.

I'm thinking it's a grave error to discount and under estimate the expertise of the Pitello's. They make it look easy.
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Law 131 wrote:
GuyB,

Info much appreciated.
And your apology to DC and MXSports for your unwarranted rant is coming when.......
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6/30/2013 9:39am
Maybe Luongo will try to bring a USGP there.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Maybe Luongo will try to bring a USGP there.
Maybe Luongo is Legion.
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Law 131 wrote:
GuyB,

Info much appreciated.
DonM wrote:
And your apology to DC and MXSports for your unwarranted rant is coming when.......
Kiss my ass.
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Law 131 wrote:
GuyB,

Info much appreciated.
DonM wrote:
And your apology to DC and MXSports for your unwarranted rant is coming when.......
Law 131 wrote:
Kiss my ass.
That response proves your agenda...
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Law 131 wrote:
GuyB,

Info much appreciated.
DonM wrote:
And your apology to DC and MXSports for your unwarranted rant is coming when.......
Law 131 wrote:
Kiss my ass.
I don't know he has a legitimate post, you didn't have any issues slandering dc and mxsports, now you were proven wrong and you don't want to say anything about it, ignorance is bliss i guess.
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It blows my mind all these people that go out of their way to slam and discredit DC and MXSports...Have they forgotten who the other person was that was bidding to run the nationals?
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DonM wrote:
It blows my mind all these people that go out of their way to slam and discredit DC and MXSports...Have they forgotten who the other person...
It blows my mind all these people that go out of their way to slam and discredit DC and MXSports...Have they forgotten who the other person was that was bidding to run the nationals?
This^^
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MBBadgers and DonM,

You Bozo's simply haven't been paying attention.

You're fired.
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6/30/2013 10:10am Edited Date/Time 6/30/2013 10:11am
How about me? Am I fired, too? Or should I chalk up your original posts to Saturday night beer? Smile

Let's also point a finger at the MX media. Why is it that I have to spend time stirring this up to get to the truth?

Where are the MX journalists who should be digging around under this?

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