AMA National MX Purse Money?

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I worked one of the merch trailers at Indy SX a few years back. At the end of the night, we were told our trailer sold over 40K in merchandise and the 2nd trailer was just under 40K. I think, we were paid $150, a shirt and entrance inside after opening ceremonies. Had to be back in trailer before end of main to sell another 45 minutes or so. I laughed and told my wife, I probably made more than a night show participant!
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6/6/2013 7:29pm Edited Date/Time 6/6/2013 7:55pm
Mr. Info wrote:
Lets put this to rest. Guys the tracks pay a set contract fee with increases every year and those with a womens race in the past...
Lets put this to rest. Guys the tracks pay a set contract fee with increases every year and those with a womens race in the past paid a little more. The more tickets you buy does not go to the purse. A small part goes to MX Sports and the rest to the track. And other than a few outside vendors that can't conflict with those of MX Sports thats the only money they make besides parking. And by that I only mean the cars. And those with passes do not pay for parking. At some tracks the equipment is part the tracks and also rented. Help to operate them is also paid for except some tracks who are paid by MX Sports or are volunteers. Sound equipment needs to be rented and installed and that cost the track. Water at some tracks has to be paid for and also the porta potties. Some tracks bring in bleechers for people to sit. Those tents for Press and the private groups, some are paid by the groups and some by the track. Some tracks have to install extra phone lines and internet access which the track pays for. In California they charge for Highway Patrol and Sherriff or Police at the event. Security is also paid for by the track. The TV coverage is also paid in part by each track. There is no money the track makes for having it on TV and losing those ticket sales to those that stay home to watch it. Guys most of the tracks are happy to break even. After you do it for a few years you can figure out how to save a dollar or two but its not a get rich endevor for the tracks. Hangtown did great this year with their crowd, Muddy Creek looked good but the way they keep the camera's down could not tell at Colorado but Dave there has not done well in years past and that adds up. Pala lost money and as did Elsinore, thats the chance you take if you want the race. I really don't think anyone from MX Sports on down to Elsinore would do this just for the love. Its about business and to see a bigger purse something has to shrink on one side to go up on the other. If you just keep looking for places you can get the money from instead of putting on a good race anywhere are you really helping the sport or just making money. Its not Nascar, Pro Football or the NBA so don't expect it to get bigger. Walk around and ask people you don't know if they watched the Pro Motocross Championships on TV or plan on going to watch a local race. I bet 95% or better ask you what your talking about. Its for those who eat, sleep and breath dirt bikes and any type of bike racing. We crossover from dirt to roadracing to Nascar to Formula 1 to Drag Racing because we feel it and understand it. The guy standing next to you at In and Out could care less. And one thing Glen Helen had to deal with as did Pala and Elsinore. The Industry. I will say most f them don't buy tickets they are given them. Those are lost sales to the track. And I know from Glen Helen we gave away a SHIT LOAD. The sport has not grown really that much if any at all. I can remember Nationals at Saddleback and times when they turned riders away. No fancy banners and arches and flames and fireworks. Its Motocross and its in the dirt. I don't need all of that I just want a real race on a real track. I think thats all we ask for. Its not Supercross. Its racing for Men and a few tough women not the Circus.
1 question for DC. If you tell someone they have to pay an amount already reached ahead of time and then say its a donation? If it is and they don't pay are they skipping out on a payment on a bill. I thought a donation amount was the choice of the person making it. Am I wrong on this one? Just asking because I can.
Seriously Ray?


"Let's put this to rest....... no wait, let me ramble on and say what I need to say and then ask DC one more question to try to get him to answer differently as he has before because I have a serious boner for him."

Another thing, you say - "Its Motocross and its in the dirt. I don't need all of that I just want a real race on a real track. I think thats all we ask for." - You are wrong! who are "we"? have you not been around here for the last few weeks? If it isn't live, on a channel that we already have or streaming on the internet for the world to see then the sport is going backwards. You are a CORE enthusiast. You want the sport to cater to what you want, not the masses. If the sport is ever going to grow and the riders are EVER going to get paid it needs to be done and in places differently than it has been.

The only thing that is going to make you happy is if DC goes away, Glen Helen has 8 of the 12 nationals. We bring Saddleback and Carlsbad back for a doubleheader at each. Oh yeah, maybe we can get you to announce? One race a year will be on the "Wide World of Sports" and we can all wait until cycle news comes on thursday to find out who won last week. Maybe, we can have a 900 number we can call get results if we are super antsy on Sunday night?

"Let's put it to rest" - affuginmazing.
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Regis I don't announce anymore, Glen Helen is doing fine without the Pro Motocross Championships, And no I don't want DC to go away and have never said that just think about the sport not the dollar and thats my opinion. And as for TV, I love being able to watch the races from around the country because I enjoy it but the person next door could care less. And the local race here in SoCal it should not be shown on local cable so more people would go to the race itself and the track make a little more money. Whats wrong with that? When another track says no more and another says no more and its because of the cost and the series goes to 10 from 12 or goes to flat race tracks. You see what the GP's are like and whats going on there. Hey I have never said one time I hate Davey and I don't I just don't agree same as you don't agree with me. Nobody has to like my opinion but until the laws or the site manager say enough I will voice my opinion. Just like in Washington if someone is a threat to there opinion they are wrong. No because its just an opinion like thier's but just like in Washington the people in power will try to discredit them or try to find a way to make them go away. Because you or Davey or anyone else don't like it does not make it wrong or make it right it only makes it my opinion. If more people think your right its your way, more people think its right it then my way. So who's really right or wrong. Look at life from the other side after your gone. You left friends and family but your opinion now means nothing, same for me. I don't need a tree, street or statue to be planted, named or made for me to feel like I meant something. If my kids feel I did to them thats all that really matters, this don't really mean squat. What are you looking for? I tell you what Regis, invest you brains and money and by a piece of land and have a National. Oh I will come I love the South I have family there and I will tell you what I thought and you tell me how much you made and then tell me I am wrong.

I want a bigger purse for the riders but it's never going to be Nascar Money. Why, 98% of the people don't care about MX. Only us diehards do. And you can't keep milking the same cow all day because it runs dry.
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Mr. Info wrote:
Regis I don't announce anymore, Glen Helen is doing fine without the Pro Motocross Championships, And no I don't want DC to go away and have...
Regis I don't announce anymore, Glen Helen is doing fine without the Pro Motocross Championships, And no I don't want DC to go away and have never said that just think about the sport not the dollar and thats my opinion. And as for TV, I love being able to watch the races from around the country because I enjoy it but the person next door could care less. And the local race here in SoCal it should not be shown on local cable so more people would go to the race itself and the track make a little more money. Whats wrong with that? When another track says no more and another says no more and its because of the cost and the series goes to 10 from 12 or goes to flat race tracks. You see what the GP's are like and whats going on there. Hey I have never said one time I hate Davey and I don't I just don't agree same as you don't agree with me. Nobody has to like my opinion but until the laws or the site manager say enough I will voice my opinion. Just like in Washington if someone is a threat to there opinion they are wrong. No because its just an opinion like thier's but just like in Washington the people in power will try to discredit them or try to find a way to make them go away. Because you or Davey or anyone else don't like it does not make it wrong or make it right it only makes it my opinion. If more people think your right its your way, more people think its right it then my way. So who's really right or wrong. Look at life from the other side after your gone. You left friends and family but your opinion now means nothing, same for me. I don't need a tree, street or statue to be planted, named or made for me to feel like I meant something. If my kids feel I did to them thats all that really matters, this don't really mean squat. What are you looking for? I tell you what Regis, invest you brains and money and by a piece of land and have a National. Oh I will come I love the South I have family there and I will tell you what I thought and you tell me how much you made and then tell me I am wrong.

I want a bigger purse for the riders but it's never going to be Nascar Money. Why, 98% of the people don't care about MX. Only us diehards do. And you can't keep milking the same cow all day because it runs dry.
Run dry? I don't know. You keep milking the same topics.

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7 years later.....hows everyone feeling?
is it bigger then 2013?
i was at pala national yesterday. there were a decent amount of fans. i will say theres good points on both of these sides of this thread. i just read all of them. 1. let the fans closer to the track. stop making mx like supercross. we go to both for different reasons. i cant feel the roost at supercross, that feeling at a national will make u feel like a kid again with your dad back at the races when you were growing up, and thats coming from a 31 year old depressed git 6000 miles from his pops but still, it did it.
2. are they still paying to get on TV? has any of these programs like GOLD helped with coverage? if we have to pay to get it on tv to just keep the main sponsors and keep it afloat? so be it, then money needs to be allowed to be made elsewhere for the privateers. if your gonna charge them for pit passes and parking for their vans how dare you dont allow them to sell merch? thats pathetic and penny pinching imo.
3. no excuses for not dropping the numbers, even if they are low, maybe then others will step in or people will donate to the privateers.
4. riders union needs to happen....way too many sports that are just as "unpopular" compared to nascar that are grossing way better pay checks. the surfing point was a great point, and the fella who originally posted it had great points, may not have the insider knowledge but at the end of the day great points that need to be addressed rather then " you try and do it and stop hating on DC for breathing"
5. industry check - bikes have doubled in price, incomes have not, how do they expect the younger ones to do it? i grew up riding and racing locally, always loved it, when i was 21 i had to sell my bike as my parents were moving back to the UK and i stayed here....so it was big boy life. i judt bought a bike this year, used 2015 250f for 4000$. it took me ten years to get back into it, and its not just the bike, the truck etc, granted yes part of it is on me to make the $ and sort my life, but i mean you can get into a lot of other exciting stuff for a 1/10th of the price.
6. im not buying any of this stuff of teams are not making money racing. bollocks. they wouldnt do it if there wasnt money in it. obviously some have differences like f1 segio got a drive because he brought a sponsor to the team none the less hes still getting paid fat weather he makes 5th or 20th.
7. the community....we need to do better. if we want the change, and the riders are not able to unionize, we need to do something then to make it happen. we cant boycott, but we can do something. make a spectators group, raffle off stuff from present and past pros, money goes to best finishing privateer that night or something. theres always gonna be the factory guys with money, and the winners should make more, and usually the factory guys are the fastest, but the payout for the lower guys is pathetic, and i think making the class only 10 riders would make it more boring. lap traffic is excellent drama, and theres still good battles outside the top ten.
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I have never understood why riders and teams can't sell merchandise, it seems asinine to me

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10/12/2020 10:02am
rucka356 wrote:
I have never understood why riders and teams can't sell merchandise, it seems asinine to me

Because DC and the Moto Tees guys are in bed together.
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10/12/2020 11:07am
rucka356 wrote:
I have never understood why riders and teams can't sell merchandise, it seems asinine to me

piscokid wrote:
Because DC and the Moto Tees guys are in bed together.
Red bull doesnt, and most top riders have a website you can buy stuff.
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10/12/2020 3:07pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2020 3:11pm
Some enterprising company/ sponsor/ agent could name their deal insisting on purse naming rights.
IMO SX is a more targeted demographic and would come 1st.

Major tradional sport sponsors won’t be happy about their low ratings.
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I think considering that most national tracks had limited spectators, long time sponsors are pulling out, and teams like Jgr have been unable to find a sponsor that it is unrealistic to expect any purse increases any time in the next year or two.
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JustMX wrote:
I think considering that most national tracks had limited spectators, long time sponsors are pulling out, and teams like Jgr have been unable to find a...
I think considering that most national tracks had limited spectators, long time sponsors are pulling out, and teams like Jgr have been unable to find a sponsor that it is unrealistic to expect any purse increases any time in the next year or two.
Yes because it's been shown in the past that if they have good years of spectators they increase the purse Laughing Laughing
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Look MX Sports made a lot of adjustments fees to hold a National. Concessions had to be made to honor contracts already in place. And budgets were made last year before any virus was known. Yes fewer rounds and overall in a shorter year less purse money for everyone this year by 3 rounds. From MX Sports to track promoters to riders less was made but that’s 2020 for almost all of us. But remember if it wasn’t for the tracks handing out the purse money out of their revenue after all their other costs I’m not sure where it would come from. I hope it continues to keep coming but still think it needs to be looked at on the basis of big salaries versus small or no salary to help the true privateers.
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