Is Olympic scoring cool in MX yet?

The Rock
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Edited Date/Time 6/6/2013 5:39pm
At the professional level the answer would be no.

If we are concerned about the Joe Blows of the world understanding our two moto format wouldn't the easiest most logical thing to do is implement Olympic scoring like they use at 99.9 percent of MX tracks in the US? This would be beyond easy to implement and would help the guys in the booth, people at the race and at home to very easily calculate overall positions.
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tobz
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6/5/2013 2:24am
Fuck me. Really?
Chili
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6/5/2013 2:31am
I can't believe I always seem to manage to race at the 00.1% of the tracks that use the current scoring system.
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6/5/2013 4:09am
Well, this guy doesn't really care about joe blow, and his girlfriend, and their lack of understanding in this sport.
I'm kinda tired of everything being wrong with us, and how we need to change for the noob fan and his dollar.

They want to know what's up, they want to be part of it, let them figure it out.
6/5/2013 4:27am
Wtf is the "olympic scoring" system? I googled it, and I don't understand how that would be incorporated into mx. Speaking of Joe blow and his girlfriend, they were standing right beside me at muddy creek. I wanted to fucking backhand him and tell her to take her ass home.

The Shop

6/5/2013 4:29am
fuck joe blow, scoring is easy to understand for a 3 year old.
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6/5/2013 5:05am
Score how they like, I just wish they would bring wrestling back to MX.
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6/5/2013 5:37am
wtf is olympic scoring? i think that if joe blow wants to get into mx, then joe blow caan either like mx the way it is, or he can go die. like how hard is it to understand the two moto format?
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6/5/2013 7:47am
"Olympic scoring" is the way most local races do the results.

-At a local race a 2-2 beats a 1-3. Both are 4 points but the 2-2 gets the overall since the second moto finish is better.

-At an AMA national a 1-3 beats a 2-2. The nationals score on points. A 1-3 is 45 points (25+20) and a 2-2 is 44 points (22+22).

At least twice a year MXA copies and pastes their rant in the magazine on how the nationals need to use "olympic scoring".
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6/5/2013 7:52am
Are helmets cool in MX anymore?

The way some people post, makes me think they don't wear helmets.
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6/5/2013 8:09am
IWreckALot wrote:
Are helmets cool in MX anymore?

The way some people post, makes me think they don't wear helmets.
^^^^THIS^^^^^
6/5/2013 8:33am
B.S ANYWAY

a 1-3 beats a 2-2 anyday in my book, you hit the top step and that in itself carries a reward and should not be trumped by being 2nd twice, as good as it is being consistently there or there abouts it is not as good as being 1st - racing is about winning end of f'ing story
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I grew up racing in the eighties, and a 2-2 beat a 1-3 then. I had a hard time understanding the change. But, now that I am not stupid anymore, I get it, and it's better. A win should carry more weight over a 2nd. A win should carry more weight over 2nd than a 2nd over a 3rd too. THe win should always be 'worth more'.
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6/5/2013 8:49am
B.S ANYWAY a 1-3 beats a 2-2 anyday in my book, you hit the top step and that in itself carries a reward and should not...
B.S ANYWAY

a 1-3 beats a 2-2 anyday in my book, you hit the top step and that in itself carries a reward and should not be trumped by being 2nd twice, as good as it is being consistently there or there abouts it is not as good as being 1st - racing is about winning end of f'ing story
no it doesn't at 99% of tracks, 2nd moto should break the tie, 2nd beats a 3rd. it's been scored this way since mx started, lowest score wins and 2nd moto breaks tie.
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6/5/2013 9:00am
IWreckALot wrote:
Are helmets cool in MX anymore?

The way some people post, makes me think they don't wear helmets.
Oh they wear helmets trust me. Just a bunch of clueless people that wear orange helmets.
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6/5/2013 10:46am
The Rock wrote:
At the professional level the answer would be no. If we are concerned about the Joe Blows of the world understanding our two moto format wouldn't...
At the professional level the answer would be no.

If we are concerned about the Joe Blows of the world understanding our two moto format wouldn't the easiest most logical thing to do is implement Olympic scoring like they use at 99.9 percent of MX tracks in the US? This would be beyond easy to implement and would help the guys in the booth, people at the race and at home to very easily calculate overall positions.
Does the average Joe Blow really care about the OA?

Glen Helen is not 99.9 percent of MX.
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6/5/2013 11:07am
I have never raced a MX in over 40 years that didn't use Olympic scoring. What tracks have you guys raced at that didn't use it?
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6/5/2013 11:08am
The GP's are considering going to a 'Qualifying race' and a single Main.. just so typical rednecks sitting at home can understand it watching tv. But as much as it pains me to say this - It does make for easier TV coverage.
6/5/2013 11:52am
The only way I agree is if your championship points are given for your overall finish. 1st overall 25 points, 2nd overall 22 points and so on.

I think it would be stupid to have someone score more points than another individual and not beat them for an overall. To me that's even more confusing than what we have now. "So why did Rider A get second overall even though he scored one more point than rider B who got first overall?"
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6/5/2013 1:36pm
Chili wrote:
I can't believe I always seem to manage to race at the 00.1% of the tracks that use the current scoring system.
Chili, believe it or not, back in the day, in Manitoba we used olympic scoring, as did everyone else. I believe (i could be wrong) it was the ama that came up with the current point system. I still prefer the olympic scoring system better to this day and wish the pro level would use it. I still think it is the fairest system to use. Of course I turned 50 this year so maybe I am just a miserable old prick now, so.....
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6/5/2013 2:03pm
"Olympic" scoring system? What event in the Olympics uses two motos? Or even two of anything that would be scored similar to moto? Any Olympic event that has two "heats" (i.e. Slalom skiing) uses combined time to determine the winner.
6/5/2013 2:09pm
DownSouth wrote:
"Olympic scoring" is the way most local races do the results. -At a local race a 2-2 beats a 1-3. Both are 4 points but the...
"Olympic scoring" is the way most local races do the results.

-At a local race a 2-2 beats a 1-3. Both are 4 points but the 2-2 gets the overall since the second moto finish is better.

-At an AMA national a 1-3 beats a 2-2. The nationals score on points. A 1-3 is 45 points (25+20) and a 2-2 is 44 points (22+22).

At least twice a year MXA copies and pastes their rant in the magazine on how the nationals need to use "olympic scoring".
Thanks for the clarification. So the way I have understood it at the local level for years has an official name? wtf.... Also I don't read MXA I think Jody is a self righteous prick.
6/5/2013 2:09pm
IWreckALot wrote:
Are helmets cool in MX anymore?

The way some people post, makes me think they don't wear helmets.
fader418 wrote:
Oh they wear helmets trust me. Just a bunch of clueless people that wear orange helmets.
u mean motocross action.....
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6/5/2013 5:40pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2013 6:53pm
The Rock wrote:
At the professional level the answer would be no. If we are concerned about the Joe Blows of the world understanding our two moto format wouldn't...
At the professional level the answer would be no.

If we are concerned about the Joe Blows of the world understanding our two moto format wouldn't the easiest most logical thing to do is implement Olympic scoring like they use at 99.9 percent of MX tracks in the US? This would be beyond easy to implement and would help the guys in the booth, people at the race and at home to very easily calculate overall positions.
As long as they pay points per moto they won't
Olympic scoring might sound simpler to understand, but try explaining this to "joe blow"

Lets say RV went 1-8 at hang town he would get 38 championship points and 9 "Olympic style points"
And Barcia went 4-4 an collected 36 championship points with 8 "Olympic style points" (obviously the lower score the better with the Olympic system)


Now try and explain to Joe Blow that after the first round in which Barcia beat RV, RV is now higher on the championship table!

I read the same complaints all the time over at MXA, if my memory serves me right they put something on their website complaining about the point system a while ago.

Those guys are the grumpy old ment that walked to and from school uphill both ways, in the snow with no shoes!

The magazine is a joke, they are he most bias media in the sport, they are so in bed with the Glen Helen guys it's rediculous!
They always used to praise the nationals and slam the GPs organizers.
When Glen Helen lost the national, and picked up the GP, Jody started slamming MX sports but started hailing Luango's organization and basically calling him a visionary.
The second Glen Helen lost the GP, MXA went straight back to slamming the GPs organizers.

MX Sports could cure cancer and MXA would say they did it wrong, the pill has side plates that are too small and doesn't have grab handles.

Sorry to turn this into a MXA rant, Rock I know you are buddies with those guys. But they need to realise there is a whole different MX world beyond the Glen Helen fence line!
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6/5/2013 5:59pm
tobz wrote:
Fuck me. Really?
This!

I was about to post something about how I thought Vital was bad, then I posted in the RXonline comments under the observations, this place seemed sane... For a minute
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6/5/2013 6:41pm
Should be like best whip contest and just have the crowd txt in who they think should win.
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6/6/2013 2:14am Edited Date/Time 6/6/2013 2:18am
Can't think of an easier system for determining overall positions and after searching for MXA's article I found this.
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6/6/2013 3:17am
I like Olympic scoring.

I wiould give RV a 9.9 in difficulty, and a 9.5 in execution.
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6/6/2013 4:20am
The current system works fine, and the round results will always correlate with the championship points handed out, unlike the "Olympic" system
I also must always race in the 0.1% of tracks that use the same system as the pros
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6/6/2013 8:31am
The only gripe I have about the current system is there are ties. I get it that it makes the points chase closer but (for me anyway) 1st overall should get more points than anyone else. As it is a 2-1 beats a 1-2 for the "overall" but both riders earn the same amount of points, so two guys can go out there and have an epic battle and trade moto wins, but the guy on the second step gets the same amount of points as the guy on the top step. Did you fuckin win or not ? If you won, you should get the most points, no ties on any given day. Sorry but for me winning the overall means you should get the most points, not just a cooler trophy and the top step of the podium. Oh and fuck Joe Blow average fan, he's the same reason we have the stupid ass semi-permament number system, but thats a whole nuther thread Laughing
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So at the end of the season, the guy with the fewest points wins the Championship?

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