Home workshop floor suggestions....

newmann
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Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop a wrench or hammer, will it not chip or crack? Looking for an alternative to the painted epoxy floor coatings which I haven't completely ruled out yet. As for the epoxy coatings, is there an absolute best product out there? I've used some in the past with good results, but looking for something better. Got about 700-750 sq. ft. to cover and want to do it before I drag all my crap back in there. It's only taken me 10 years to get around to finishing it....Blush

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MR. X
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4/27/2013 8:46am
I used Epoxy-coat , they have one of the thickest products , its a 2 part epoxy , it is easier to lay down with two people . While i was doing an internet search i stumbled across a garage forum where a female that works for epoxy coat said to mention her name when ordering to recieve free shipping which saved me a bunch , its worth searching for it or just mention that you read it on a forum somewhere .
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4/27/2013 9:02am Edited Date/Time 4/27/2013 9:04am
Why not just cut and stain your concrete floor to look like tile? Strength of concrete, look of tile.







Those are all finished concrete. Cheaper than tile, and stronger too. Well, it's probably not cheaper if you get into crazy designs like this:



Those nice tiles you see going into WalMart and other places like that aren't tile. It's concrete that's been stained and polished, then cut to LOOK like tiles.
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4/27/2013 9:11am
Here are some more pics. Specifically garages.











As you can see, you can get crazy with logos and decals too. lol

The Shop

4/27/2013 9:35am
My neighbor owns Swiss Trax. Check it out.
http://www.swisstrax.com/

Use it in my garage. Even have LED lights built into it where with keep my bike on its stand. Good enough for Jay Leno, good enough for me.
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4/27/2013 10:08am
Ceramic tile is probably one of the best, it is more flexible and forgiving than stained and sealed concrete. Stained and sealed concrete is so hard that dropping a large wrench can chip more easy than ceramic tile. I imagine you could color in the concrete chip areas to hide and I doubt over time you'll have many issues. Both applications will require a sealer and judging from the bikes you've built you'll probably want to cap that with multi layers of finish to both protect and add that high gloss pop. Unfinshed stained or unfinished tile will wear, soil and stains will tarnish both. Yet both need maintainance to keep the finish alive and dirt from embedding. High traffic areas will wear thin or completely away and then your'll need to remove (Strip) the finish and start over. The best practice is to keep it clean and address the wear with a scrub and recoat of another layer of finish. The great thing about a finished floor isn't just the look but with a 36" dust mop it's a breeze to knock out a garage.
The other advantage to tile compared to stained/sealed concrete is you can go white or briter, the stains are always darker and that can be a negative for working in a shop. You'll still need pads for your center stands as that will grind way at any floor covering.
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4/27/2013 10:15am
armorgarage.com, great industrial epoxy coat 100% solids.
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4/27/2013 11:33am
+1 for swisstrax or racedeck or similar. I just used this stuff on a portion of my garage and I'm itching to cover the whole thing with it. Its a cinch to install and super durable.

My garage was epoxied previously and I have to say...I wish I had done this stuff from the beginning.

http://www.racedeck.com/
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4/27/2013 11:43am
Keep in ind that the decking will hold any liquids under it if you spill ,say a beer gets tipped over ,then you get to pull the tiles up to clean underneath them .
4/27/2013 3:31pm
newmann wrote:
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop...
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop a wrench or hammer, will it not chip or crack? Looking for an alternative to the painted epoxy floor coatings which I haven't completely ruled out yet. As for the epoxy coatings, is there an absolute best product out there? I've used some in the past with good results, but looking for something better. Got about 700-750 sq. ft. to cover and want to do it before I drag all my crap back in there. It's only taken me 10 years to get around to finishing it....Blush

what's your budget? Ceramic will break if you drop a wrench on it, small wrench maybe not, med to big wrench for sure. hav eyou considered VCT tiles? Draw back is if you spill gas on the floor you need to clean it up quick. Inexpensive and you can do some nice designs. If you want a logo or number plate or something simple I can help you out.
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4/28/2013 11:29am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2013 11:31am
newmann wrote:
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop...
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop a wrench or hammer, will it not chip or crack? Looking for an alternative to the painted epoxy floor coatings which I haven't completely ruled out yet. As for the epoxy coatings, is there an absolute best product out there? I've used some in the past with good results, but looking for something better. Got about 700-750 sq. ft. to cover and want to do it before I drag all my crap back in there. It's only taken me 10 years to get around to finishing it....Blush

I am a tile contractor by trade for 23 yrs. so I will give you a few pointers. I would NOT put ceramic down in this situation, ceramic has a baked on glaze that will chip off fairly easily. If you really want a hard tile floor, I would go with a decent quality porcelain tile, that has a "through body" color, that way if it does chip it isn't as obvious. There are cheaper porcelain tiles out there that are glazed btw. Also if there is a hint of oil on the slab surface you will have to get it scarified or shot blasted to get it to have a proper bond. Personally I would go the stained concrete route, or epoxy. I wouldn't suggest VCT either, for the reasons suggested, gas and oil will destroy the adhesive. I tried VCT in my enclosed trailer, bad move Wink
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4/28/2013 11:40am
newmann wrote:
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop...
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop a wrench or hammer, will it not chip or crack? Looking for an alternative to the painted epoxy floor coatings which I haven't completely ruled out yet. As for the epoxy coatings, is there an absolute best product out there? I've used some in the past with good results, but looking for something better. Got about 700-750 sq. ft. to cover and want to do it before I drag all my crap back in there. It's only taken me 10 years to get around to finishing it....Blush

tmauto769 wrote:
I am a tile contractor by trade for 23 yrs. so I will give you a few pointers. I would NOT put ceramic down in this...
I am a tile contractor by trade for 23 yrs. so I will give you a few pointers. I would NOT put ceramic down in this situation, ceramic has a baked on glaze that will chip off fairly easily. If you really want a hard tile floor, I would go with a decent quality porcelain tile, that has a "through body" color, that way if it does chip it isn't as obvious. There are cheaper porcelain tiles out there that are glazed btw. Also if there is a hint of oil on the slab surface you will have to get it scarified or shot blasted to get it to have a proper bond. Personally I would go the stained concrete route, or epoxy. I wouldn't suggest VCT either, for the reasons suggested, gas and oil will destroy the adhesive. I tried VCT in my enclosed trailer, bad move Wink
I am a former board member of the PDCA (Painting Decorating Contractors of America) and have about 3k homes completed under my crazy blue collar life. I'm now a GC and run tile contractors on a variety of applications. Tmauto769 is dead on right. I would also recommend stain concrete or do a bad ass job of concrete prep (shot blast chemical clean PH balance test - top quality primer / 2 part epoxy) and use the best epoxy coating known to man. Everything else is BS. Concrete stain would be my first choice if your cool with Non uniform coloring. Saw cuts in the concrete are bad ass and diff colors stain and if you wanna get trick you can ease the edge of the saw cut with a diamond rounding tool on a grinder to make it look more pillow edge but you will be cleaning out the cracks more often too... Hope that helps.
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4/28/2013 11:42am
By the way one of the coolest looks is to black that ceiling out - mask and shoot it with flat black paint you will thank me later. White acoustic ceiling tiles looks like Wallmart cafeteria style crap.
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4/28/2013 1:20pm
I cant help with the cool factor but all my floor would require to be is

-is the color such that if I drop a small screw or spring I can find it easily.
-is the color such that it brightens the room thus making it easier to seewhat I'm working on
-can I sweep and/or mop it easily
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4/28/2013 2:46pm
Go with industrial grade dirt, holds up better then industrial grade ceramic tile, just ask the guy who actually finished your shop.
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4/29/2013 6:10am Edited Date/Time 4/29/2013 6:21am
MR. X wrote:
Keep in ind that the decking will hold any liquids under it if you spill ,say a beer gets tipped over ,then you get to pull...
Keep in ind that the decking will hold any liquids under it if you spill ,say a beer gets tipped over ,then you get to pull the tiles up to clean underneath them .
X2. The stuff is good for show but impossible to work on. I've got a 5x8 mat of the stuff that I park my Harley on. I was changing the oil in it one day, somehow fumble fucked the drain pan and spilled about a quart of oil on the mat. I had to pull the entire thing apart and clean it, 5 yrs later it still seeps a bit of oil when I step on it in the right place.
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newmann wrote:
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop...
Anyone use any industrial grade ceramic tile for a shop floor? Is there actually such a product and is it anymore durable that regular tile? Drop a wrench or hammer, will it not chip or crack? Looking for an alternative to the painted epoxy floor coatings which I haven't completely ruled out yet. As for the epoxy coatings, is there an absolute best product out there? I've used some in the past with good results, but looking for something better. Got about 700-750 sq. ft. to cover and want to do it before I drag all my crap back in there. It's only taken me 10 years to get around to finishing it....Blush

I'm building a new shop myself. I need some more square footage for the car projects I'm doing now. My old shop has a
standard concrete floor with a commercial grade epoxy coating. That shop is seven years old and the epoxy looks like new.
Before the epoxy, I had the black and white checkered tiles motif. Looked nice, but not very practical (cracked easy), and
was a PITB to keep clean. I have the stamped concrete others have recommended for my driveway and front porch. The
stuff seems to be pretty durable, but it has to be re-sealed periodically.

For my new shop, The plan is to use radiant heat in the floor and pour high psi pads for the heavies (CNC, lifts, etc.), and
finish with a two step light grey epoxy. This coating provide a little "give" which is good for settling and dropped tools. It's
also great for spills, pretty much everything wipes right up without staining. Also with the epoxy, you can add a clear coat
with sand for additional non slip.

dogger
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dogger315 wrote:
I'm building a new shop myself. I need some more square footage for the car projects I'm doing now. My old shop has a standard concrete...
I'm building a new shop myself. I need some more square footage for the car projects I'm doing now. My old shop has a
standard concrete floor with a commercial grade epoxy coating. That shop is seven years old and the epoxy looks like new.
Before the epoxy, I had the black and white checkered tiles motif. Looked nice, but not very practical (cracked easy), and
was a PITB to keep clean. I have the stamped concrete others have recommended for my driveway and front porch. The
stuff seems to be pretty durable, but it has to be re-sealed periodically.

For my new shop, The plan is to use radiant heat in the floor and pour high psi pads for the heavies (CNC, lifts, etc.), and
finish with a two step light grey epoxy. This coating provide a little "give" which is good for settling and dropped tools. It's
also great for spills, pretty much everything wipes right up without staining. Also with the epoxy, you can add a clear coat
with sand for additional non slip.

dogger
What name brand epoxy and is it a product that you apply yourself?

After seeing some of your bike projects, you've got to give us a little insight into what car projects you have in the works.
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4/29/2013 8:06am
Radiant heat...any of you guys have that in your shop/garage? It seems like it would be the way to go if you want to work year round. Ive worked in a shop with a good heater, but the concrete would give you frost bite if you were working on anything sitting on your backside.
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GHR wrote:
By the way one of the coolest looks is to black that ceiling out - mask and shoot it with flat black paint you will thank...
By the way one of the coolest looks is to black that ceiling out - mask and shoot it with flat black paint you will thank me later. White acoustic ceiling tiles looks like Wallmart cafeteria style crap.
GHR, While the flat black would be cool, I put 9 flourescent fixtures in there for a reason.Laughing Getting old and blind. I did go with somewhat of a darker color and matte finish for the upstairs media room. Starting to look pretty good....finally.
4/29/2013 9:21am
If price is not a problem look up Protect-all or oscodaplastic.com. It's put in kitchens where grease is a big problem. Also look into bitumen backed tiles like you see in entrance ways like Walmart.
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4/29/2013 10:41am
Sandberm wrote:
Radiant heat...any of you guys have that in your shop/garage? It seems like it would be the way to go if you want to work year...
Radiant heat...any of you guys have that in your shop/garage? It seems like it would be the way to go if you want to work year round. Ive worked in a shop with a good heater, but the concrete would give you frost bite if you were working on anything sitting on your backside.
How big is your shop? Do you have geothermal or plan to run it off an electric hot water tank?

My downstairs of my house is stained concrete with radiant heat, run off of an electric hot water tank, and it costs a LOT of money to keep it turned on in the winter.

My 60x40 shop has the same plumbing in the cement but has never been hooked up, waiting until I do the upgrade to Geothermal later this year and then it should be affordable to use it. This past winter I used 1 220 box heater like drywall guys use and it worked fine to keep my shop above 50 degrees while it was -20 outside. It wasn't cheap to run either so I tried to use it only during cold snaps and while I was working out there.
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4/29/2013 11:18am
I don't think I turned my heater on all winter long. A/C in the summer.....that bitch will be humming.
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4/29/2013 12:03pm
Newmann, I use a product sold by UCoatit. They offer commercial and residential grade
products in a kit you can apply youself. I recommend the AF Gloss with the grit additive
(at least in traffic areas), for better footing. The coating hold up well against weld and grinding
sparks, along with everything else I throw at it.

I'm on the road right now, when I get back I'll post some pictures of my vintage (1980), race car
project. Branching out into cars has required additional room for items like a rotiserie, two pole
lifts, larger paint booth and a bigger powder coat oven.

I also agree about the lighting. All the race shops I've been in have really bright lights. I use dozens
of 6 bulb flourescent fixtures that nearly cover the ceiling and I could still stand to have a little more.

The radiant heating I had in my shop in TN was natural gas powered. I had a large boiler
located in the mechanicals room (next to my compressor), that was seperate from the shop.
The main reason for radiant floor heating in my case is to eliminate open flames (pilot lights),
from gasoline and other flammable solvents. The heat is just like what you would have in your
bathroom at home; nice, even heating that maintains the shop at 68 degrees on the coldest
days. My new shop is 2500 sq ft with 12 foot walls, so quite a bit of volume. The good news
is I'm in a much warmer climate and will be using geothermal, so it should be easy and
inexpensive.

dogger

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