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Edited Date/Time 4/26/2013 8:13am
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Don't penalize city kids for riding dirt bikes

11:15 AM EDT, April 25, 2013

The latest attack on Baltimore City children of color, exacerbated by Del. Shawn Tarrant's bill aimed at dually penalizing our youth for riding recreational off-road vehicles — both through the courts and the Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration — is a good example of why we need to fully dissect the hundreds of bills affecting the lives of area residents coming from Annapolis each year and challenge those officials who have shown that they don't have our best interests at heart ("Email address to report on illegal dirt bikes," April 18).

While I understand the nuisances these vehicles can bring average citizens when traveling on the roads and highways, I also understand the frustrations of our youth who are merely trying to project their energies into something positive and possibly financially beneficial in the future. And while we know that kids will be kids, the delegate's approach of penalizing these youth through not only the criminal justice system, but via the MVA by suspending their licenses before they ever obtaining the age of eligibility, is itself both criminal and unconstitutional — in my humble opinion.

This egregious bill mandates that my office target these offenders and mandates that I report such behaviors and convictions. And while I am obligated by my oath to do such, I don't believe these efforts protect the lives of the citizens of Baltimore but rather unfairly ruin the lives of young black children who are left without the options of recreation with the elimination of recreation centers and absolutely no outlet for their childish inhibitions.

While I have great respect for the new police commissioner and his preventive approach at eliminating the illegal usage of these vehicles, I believe his department should take it a step further in lobbying the city for a specified alternative destination where these children can take their vehicles and ride. Surrounding counties not only allow for the storage of the vehicles in their garages but also have designated tracks for these dirt bike riders to go and practice their craft.

So instead of trying to criminalize the childish behavior of our children, city officials would be better served by creating innovative outlets for these young folks to legally participate. We cannot keep penalizing children of color and expect them to advance in life when they are beginning adulthood with extensive criminal, and now vehicular, records due to the lack of compassion and forward-thinking policies of adult legislators who are elected to represent their interests.

Frank M. Conaway Sr., Baltimore

The writer is clerk of the Circuit Court for Baltimore City.
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I think every inner city should have a MX park for the kids to ride on. Next up ObamaBikes Smile
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4/25/2013 9:47am
Fuck it, lets just let these ppl run wild at age 12 and see what they are up to by age 20.

Why they dont load up their trucks and make the hour and half drive to budds creek is beyond me.

I guess its easier to make excuses than take action against criminals....
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4/25/2013 9:53am
" I believe his department should take it a step further in lobbying the city for a specified alternative destination where these children can take their vehicles and ride"

I am no lawyer here but two things come to mind.. #1, if they wanted to ride at a track, they would. Unless you are going to designate a public street so they can display their "talents", they won't show. #2, insurance.. duh. Nothing would be more rewarding as a tax payer to be shelling out tax dollars to insurance and inevitable law suits from accidents to guys parading on stolen motorcycles.
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4/25/2013 9:56am Edited Date/Time 4/25/2013 9:57am
I think every inner city should have a MX park for the kids to ride on. Next up ObamaBikes Smile
You beat me to it. It's amazing that an adult could see no harm in kids riding DIRT bikes on public roadways without any kind of license or insurance. I won't even mention where they get their bikes because then I would be called racist.

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Gotta love how she keeps pointing out how this is affecting the lives of the black youth. Funny how no one ever cared about all the riding areas being closed that the white kids frequented.
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He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
4/25/2013 10:39am
They should be punished for riding on the roads. Just like you get tickets for speeding or not wearing a seatbelt. It's for their own safety. Imagine if they aren't punished, and several die from accidents with cars/trucks/buses/semis, or pedestrians are hit. It's just not safe to ride that like on public roadways. Way to many variables with other people. On a MX track, everyone is doing the same thing, going in the same direction. You don't have redlights and intersections on a MX track. If these kids are not into doing jumps and riding on dirt that's fine too, but designate an abandoned parking lot or something for them to safely do their pop-a-wheelies.
4/25/2013 10:43am
Everyone broke laws as a kid even as an adult, but it wasn't with a total disregard for authority and the well being of others.

If they want to ride on the streets fine, but when someone plows over one of them because they are riding a wheelie through a red light or stop sign, there should be legal and insurance coverage for the car/truck driver.
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mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up my truck and drive to the track..... Its not rocket science.
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mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
bangmyhead wrote:
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up...
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up my truck and drive to the track..... Its not rocket science.
you assume they have cars, money and a job to drive 73 miles.
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4/25/2013 10:59am
This is just the opposite from a certain Chicago politician, Mary Flowers. She wants all ATV/Motorcycling barred for anyone under the age of 16 in the entire state, even on private property.
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bigborefan wrote:
This is just the opposite from a certain Chicago politician, Mary Flowers. She wants all ATV/Motorcycling barred for anyone under the age of 16 in the...
This is just the opposite from a certain Chicago politician, Mary Flowers. She wants all ATV/Motorcycling barred for anyone under the age of 16 in the entire state, even on private property.
They should have lunch...
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4/25/2013 11:14am
mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
bangmyhead wrote:
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up...
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up my truck and drive to the track..... Its not rocket science.
MBBadgers wrote:
you assume they have cars, money and a job to drive 73 miles.
If they don't, that's unfortunate. However, while pointing the finger of blame at no one for that, if they can't ride legally, then they go without. Period.
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4/25/2013 11:22am
Baltimore is a stink hole. I lived there for a while and found out they had a nice, city run bmx/skate park so I took my kids there, once. The park was a first class facility. However, between kids telling my kids that my kids were going to let them borrow their bikes, and 200 lb gangsta chicks threatening to "kill my white ass" for sitting in the only shady spot available while watching my kids, we left after about 20 minutes. I have no sympathy for them. They have no appreciation for what is given them, and would turn a dream park into a shithole in about 20 minutes.
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4/25/2013 11:29am
MBBadgers wrote:
you assume they have cars, money and a job to drive 73 miles.
But they can afford a $5K MX bike which is a novelty item right?

Anybody defending this is truly off your rocker.
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MBBadgers wrote:
you assume they have cars, money and a job to drive 73 miles.
JeepnMike wrote:
But they can afford a $5K MX bike which is a novelty item right?

Anybody defending this is truly off your rocker.
I'm not defending, the bikes are stolen, most likely, simple as that.
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"Surrounding counties not only allow for the storage of the vehicles in their garages but also have designated tracks for these dirt bike riders to go and practice their craft."

Absolutely false. Maryland's attitude towards OHV use is something like Goebbel's attitude was towards non-aryans. There is no county or state land open to OHV's within 130 miles of Baltimore, and at that we have roughly 4 miles of public trails along the WV border. Some private tracks exist but are several hours away.

Two schools of thought here. The riding in the streets is BS and needs to be stopped. These assholes are constantly causing traffic accidents and most of those bikes are stolen to boot. On the other hand though, there is nowhere reasonably close to ride your dirtbike in this state. Liberals have created this problem by closing virtually all public land to OHV use, suddenly they realize they've "disenfranchised" a minority group (big no-no) and now something needs to be done about it.
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4/25/2013 12:03pm
JeepnMike wrote:
But they can afford a $5K MX bike which is a novelty item right?

Anybody defending this is truly off your rocker.
What kind of truck did you own when you were 10-16 years old? Not all bikes cost 5K either. I had 2 parents and they had no interest in taking me somewhere to ride so I rode where I could. Fields,roads,parking lots never hurt anyone except myself when I crashed or got caught/fined. They are kids having fun, not defending damaging others property but still feel they should be able to enjoy riding a bike somehow. That's all.
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4/25/2013 12:07pm
Another question for you. Of the Wheelie Boyz, how many are actually kids? Every video I have seen is grown adults.
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mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
Did you just show up to the party? You either have a bleeding heart or some " white guilt" going on. I'm sure the dood who got pulled from his car and beat because some hoodrat ran a red light and broadsided him on a dirtbike. I bet he doesn't share your "feeling sorry".
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bangmyhead wrote:
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up...
No where to ride? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Budds creek is 73 miles away from baltimore, I live 60 miles from Milestone when i wanna ride i pack up my truck and drive to the track..... Its not rocket science.
MBBadgers wrote:
you assume they have cars, money and a job to drive 73 miles.
If they don't, that's unfortunate. However, while pointing the finger of blame at no one for that, if they can't ride legally, then they go without...
If they don't, that's unfortunate. However, while pointing the finger of blame at no one for that, if they can't ride legally, then they go without. Period.
You would think that it is common sense, but i guess common sense isnt so common anymore.......
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4/25/2013 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2013 12:44pm
mxpappy711 wrote:
What kind of truck did you own when you were 10-16 years old? Not all bikes cost 5K either. I had 2 parents and they had...
What kind of truck did you own when you were 10-16 years old? Not all bikes cost 5K either. I had 2 parents and they had no interest in taking me somewhere to ride so I rode where I could. Fields,roads,parking lots never hurt anyone except myself when I crashed or got caught/fined. They are kids having fun, not defending damaging others property but still feel they should be able to enjoy riding a bike somehow. That's all.
These kids (edit Not sure why i used kids the few that i have seen are in their late teens to 20's) are hurting themselves, their children, pedestrians and motorist on the roads.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/anger_over_dirt…

You are a F*cking idiot if you're defending these morons
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mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
Did you just show up to the party? You either have a bleeding heart or some " white guilt" going on. I'm sure the dood who...
Did you just show up to the party? You either have a bleeding heart or some " white guilt" going on. I'm sure the dood who got pulled from his car and beat because some hoodrat ran a red light and broadsided him on a dirtbike. I bet he doesn't share your "feeling sorry".
I work with inner city kids. Have for the last 30 years, some are great kids who can't get a break through no fault of their own. Some are A-holes too. Guess all "white" kids are good where you live? No "trailer park" rat ever beat up an innocent person in your world. No bleeding heart no white guilt, just like kids riding bikes if they want to. All kids. Again not defending any criminal activity especially by adults. I feel sorry for children of" Meth heads" too not just "hood rats". They are all kids.
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newmann wrote:
Gotta love how she keeps pointing out how this is affecting the lives of the black youth. Funny how no one ever cared about all the...
Gotta love how she keeps pointing out how this is affecting the lives of the black youth. Funny how no one ever cared about all the riding areas being closed that the white kids frequented.
Nope, just like we get "Black History Month" shoved down our throats...when is "white history month"?

Or how about the TV commercial for blackpeoplemeet.com (or something like that) who thinks I'd be called a racist for starting "whitepeoplemeet.com"?
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Compared to the top 15% I can't catch a break either, still doesn't allow me to steal a Bugatti Veyron and drive it on my local interstate like I was drifting on the Autobahn Wink

That article is laced with inverse racism and falsehoods candy coated with ceative wording to persuade you to his point of view, which is wrong. Sure, there's a bigger underlying problem, but thugs riding dirt bikes ILLEGALLY on the street, and wrecklessly, isn't the solution.
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4/25/2013 1:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/25/2013 1:22pm
Here's what the guy was reacting to. Interesting stat: cops say 30% of bikes are stolen. But being dirt bikes, maybe they just aren't tracing them very well...

Northwestern District commander says bikes "are terrorizing our city streets"

By Justin George, The Baltimore Sun

6:50 PM EDT, April 17, 2013




Police have taken a new step in their the battle to remove illegal dirt bikes and their freewheeling riders from the streets of Baltimore, creating an email address where residents can report the bikes anonymously.

"All the way around, it's a menace, and we have to take some action," said Maj. Johnny Delgado, the commander of the Northwestern District, who launched the initiative.

Riding dirt bikes in the city limits is against the law, as is storing them in a house or a shed with gasoline, police said. They are asking people to email dirtbikes@baltimorepolice.org if they have information on riders or where the bikes are stored.

In recent years, a growing number of teens and young adults have taken to riding dirt bikes through the city streets, popping wheelies and performing other tricks at high speeds that have caused fatal car accidents. Videos of the rides, where riders sometimes taunt police to chase them, can be found on YouTube.

This year, The New York Times featured several riders in an online pictorial called "Popping Wheelies in Charm City," and filmmaker Lotfy Nathan released a documentary entitled the "12 O'Clock Boys" that received attention at film festivals including the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas.

Locally, dirt bike riders have been seen in Northwest Baltimore holding rallies and rides on an area of Reisterstown Road that abuts Druid Hill Park, Delgado said, where spectators can sit on a hill and watch.

"It's all over YouTube, and it's a danger to our city," said Lt. Craig Hartman, commander of the Baltimore police regional auto theft task force. "The way they ride is a danger to the public. I'll be honest, a lot of these riders are looking for attention. That's why they're on YouTube. … That's why they want police to chase them."

On Sunday, police responded to the 1600 block of N. Ellamont St., where they found a man lying in the middle of the street who had been shot, bleeding from his head to his knees. Police said the victim had been riding his dirt bike when someone wearing a white shirt shot him with a black handgun.

The state legislature also has addressed the issue of dirt bikes, passing a law this year sponsored by Del. Shawn Z. Tarrant, a Baltimore Democrat, that suspends driver's licenses for people caught driving illegal dirt bikes on highways.
Police estimate that almost 30 percent of seized dirt bikes are stolen. Police, prohibited from chasing the riders in high-speed pursuits, are concentrating on seizing the bikes. Police said dirt bikes seized will be impounded. Those legally owned with proper paperwork and registration would be returned to owners while bikes found to be stolen would be returned to their rightful owners or destroyed, police said.

Baltimore Sun reporter Erin Cox contributed to this article.
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newmann wrote:
Gotta love how she keeps pointing out how this is affecting the lives of the black youth. Funny how no one ever cared about all the...
Gotta love how she keeps pointing out how this is affecting the lives of the black youth. Funny how no one ever cared about all the riding areas being closed that the white kids frequented.
Exactly. You can paint it as a race issue, but where is it legal to ride off road vehicles on public streets anyway? I mean in terms of pure dirt bikes and four wheelers.
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mxpappy711 wrote:
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for...
He did not say he wants them on roads,only that if they have nowhere else to ride he feels they shouldn't be punished too harshly for doing so. He is right. You guys never broke laws as kids I guess. And how would you know if the bikes are stolen or not? How many bikes have you and your friends bought with a bill of sale? They could have been stolen too. They are kids with nowhere to ride and want to ride I would have done the same thing.
Some don't have parents who have trucks or drive at all. I feel sorry for them.
Did you just show up to the party? You either have a bleeding heart or some " white guilt" going on. I'm sure the dood who...
Did you just show up to the party? You either have a bleeding heart or some " white guilt" going on. I'm sure the dood who got pulled from his car and beat because some hoodrat ran a red light and broadsided him on a dirtbike. I bet he doesn't share your "feeling sorry".
mxpappy711 wrote:
I work with inner city kids. Have for the last 30 years, some are great kids who can't get a break through no fault of their...
I work with inner city kids. Have for the last 30 years, some are great kids who can't get a break through no fault of their own. Some are A-holes too. Guess all "white" kids are good where you live? No "trailer park" rat ever beat up an innocent person in your world. No bleeding heart no white guilt, just like kids riding bikes if they want to. All kids. Again not defending any criminal activity especially by adults. I feel sorry for children of" Meth heads" too not just "hood rats". They are all kids.
Now I'm curious just how far you're going to go with this... tell us about your work with inner city kids.
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4/25/2013 5:25pm
If they want to ride on the street they should start buying (stealing) vespas.
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All the wheelie boys can get f*cked.

Nothing but crims and stolen bikes.

& Whoever decided to have "Chino" wheeliing at the MEC (Im looking at you Matt Cook) - bad idea.

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