Who knows what is up with EMX 125 class?

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Would like to learn more about the year bikes they're racing and the series in general.
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The Rock wrote:
Would like to learn more about the year bikes they're racing and the series in general.
In short, a developmental series that is age restricted to help develop younger riders. It is confined to Europe to keep costs down. There is also a EMX2 class for 250f's.

http://www.motocrossmx1.com/?type=News&newsID=2937 There's is under the UEM section. Same track and same day as MX1 and MX2. Sometimes EMX2 also.
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As much as people bag the World GP's, this is a great innovation and a step in the right direction for the sport. MX Sports, and AMA pro racing have dropped the ball in this respect. Some great racing in the EMX 125 class.
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newmann 4/15/2013 7:16am
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What 125 class? To listen to the powers that be, there is no interest.....

Good thing TM, KTM and Husky aren't listening. That was some pretty cool racing out at the Glen. Seeing the Vital crew manning a 2 stroke effort warmed the heart....Smile
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GrapeApe 4/15/2013 7:17am
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Last weekend out of 38 riders it was all KTM's and Yamaha's, with 4 Suzuki's and 1 TM thrown in. I would guess that all but 4 bikes were 2013's.

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newmann 4/15/2013 7:20am
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SwapperMX wrote:
As much as people bag the World GP's, this is a great innovation and a step in the right direction for the sport. MX Sports, and...
As much as people bag the World GP's, this is a great innovation and a step in the right direction for the sport. MX Sports, and AMA pro racing have dropped the ball in this respect. Some great racing in the EMX 125 class.
No doubt the AMA skullphucked the sport in a big way. Between them and the Japanese mfgs. tactics to prevent DC and MX Sports from bringing the 125's back to the top level of the sport it is pretty despicable. But I bought a 2 stroke and it was a KTM. Doing my part, as little as it may be.
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SwapperMX, I really don't think we've dropped the ball at all. Unlike Europe, America has a huge schedule of major amateur motocross events that fill the spot that EMX is trying to become, with classes for Schoolboys and two-strokes -- something Europe did not have until they started working on this new system.

Loretta Lynn's and all it's Regionals and areas
Florida Mini O's
AMA Spring Classic at Freestone
Mammoth Mountain
World Mini GP
Mill Creek Spring race
Oak Hill
RCU SX at Daytona
Baja Brawl
Ponca City
FMF Spring Classic at Comp. Edge
And more...

And Newmann, thanks for the support but there is simply no time to add a 125cc class for kids to the current Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship and make it all fit in one day. It's a big part of why the WMX doesn't fit right now either.

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DC 4/15/2013 7:32am
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Racer X had a Two-Stroke effort out there courtesy of Husqvarna at the Glen as well. His name was Blake Savage and he actually won.

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newmann 4/15/2013 7:35am
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DC wrote:
Racer X had a Two-Stroke effort out there courtesy of Husqvarna at the Glen as well. His name was Blake Savage and he actually won. DC...
Racer X had a Two-Stroke effort out there courtesy of Husqvarna at the Glen as well. His name was Blake Savage and he actually won.

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Two thumbs up.Smile
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DC 4/15/2013 7:42am
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And the bike looked and sounded so good I might go out and get one!

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burn1986 4/15/2013 9:55am
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I think what people are looking for is some pro involvement. There is some amatuer stuff for sure, but no headway has been made in any pro arena in the US by the AMA or MXSports.
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burn1986 wrote:
I think what people are looking for is some pro involvement. There is some amatuer stuff for sure, but no headway has been made in any...
I think what people are looking for is some pro involvement. There is some amatuer stuff for sure, but no headway has been made in any pro arena in the US by the AMA or MXSports.
And there probably wont be anytime soon. Dying a slow death.......
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DC wrote:
Racer X had a Two-Stroke effort out there courtesy of Husqvarna at the Glen as well. His name was Blake Savage and he actually won. DC...
Racer X had a Two-Stroke effort out there courtesy of Husqvarna at the Glen as well. His name was Blake Savage and he actually won.

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Ha. Yes he did. Looked good out there!
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mccread 4/15/2013 10:45am
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Brilliant idea by YS. Loved watching a full line up of 125s on the old school hard pack italian track.

EMX2 is very competitive as well.

Both classes are a great breeding ground for future talent and it allows the MXGP teams to see the riders first hand.
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DrSweden 4/15/2013 11:16am
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DC wrote:
And the bike looked and sounded so good I might go out and get one!

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That's the spirit!!!Woohoo
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Brilliant idea by YS. Loved watching a full line up of 125s on the old school hard pack italian track. EMX2 is very competitive as well...
Brilliant idea by YS. Loved watching a full line up of 125s on the old school hard pack italian track.

EMX2 is very competitive as well.

Both classes are a great breeding ground for future talent and it allows the MXGP teams to see the riders first hand.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has seen it developing for years but Luongo is just copying Bernie in the 4 wheels. These classes are a stepping stone the way Formula 3000 or GP2 is for F1 and it is working. Past 125 and EMX2 chmps are now getting podiums in MX2 and guys like Tixier are getting factory seats when they graduate. While the age rule is hurting them right now, getting rid of the "fluff" in the class, if it stays the same like everything in life the younger ones who are not affected by it at the moment (those to young to ride EMX2 currently) will never really be affected by it. At that point it will be status quo. If you don't have what it takes by the age of 23 in lower Formula racing (MX2) you probably never will. Get out of the way and let someone with a higher potential ceiling show what their worth.
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The Rock 4/15/2013 12:17pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
Last weekend out of 38 riders it was all KTM's and Yamaha's, with 4 Suzuki's and 1 TM thrown in. I would guess that all but...
Last weekend out of 38 riders it was all KTM's and Yamaha's, with 4 Suzuki's and 1 TM thrown in. I would guess that all but 4 bikes were 2013's.
It is those four bikes that I am interested in learning what model year they are.
Thomas Jefferson 4/15/2013 12:22pm
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SwapperMX, I really don't think we've dropped the ball at all. Unlike Europe, America has a huge schedule of major amateur motocross events that fill the...
SwapperMX, I really don't think we've dropped the ball at all. Unlike Europe, America has a huge schedule of major amateur motocross events that fill the spot that EMX is trying to become, with classes for Schoolboys and two-strokes -- something Europe did not have until they started working on this new system.

Loretta Lynn's and all it's Regionals and areas
Florida Mini O's
AMA Spring Classic at Freestone
Mammoth Mountain
World Mini GP
Mill Creek Spring race
Oak Hill
RCU SX at Daytona
Baja Brawl
Ponca City
FMF Spring Classic at Comp. Edge
And more...

And Newmann, thanks for the support but there is simply no time to add a 125cc class for kids to the current Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship and make it all fit in one day. It's a big part of why the WMX doesn't fit right now either.

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DC, I've always been a fan of everything that is Coombs, but... no.

You can not compare schoolboy 1 at Oak Hill to an event run in conjunction with a major professional series, on the same day, and televised.

Unless the factories start sponsoring schoolboy 1 riders, and they add a schoolboy 1 class to about 8 of the 12 AMA outdoor rounds. THEN, it'd be a good comparison.


To answer the OP's question, there are Suzukis, (theyre still sold everywhere but the US), Yamahas (a bunch with the vdlaar kit) and a sea of Orange bikes. Couple Kawasakis out there, too. come to think of it, only Honda is not being represented.

that might explain why honda is GIVING away those hunk of shit CRF150s for an experimental series this year, too.
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Mr. Jefferson, thanks, but I was just trying to explain that we have many opportunities for young riders to get together and race together that do not exist in Europe on a regular basis. I did not mean to compare Oak Hill to Trentino, Italy, but rather the EMX2 series to the de facto amateur circuit we have here in the states. What they are doing in Europe is great, don't get me wrong, but we have enough major amateur races around the calendar that a class at the pro nationals is not necessary for the factories and potential sponsors to see them.

And I would guess that there are likely more youth and amateur riders in America with factory backing than there are in Europe right now.

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The Rock 4/15/2013 1:00pm
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Thomas Jefferson wrote:
DC, I've always been a fan of everything that is Coombs, but... no. You can not compare schoolboy 1 at Oak Hill to an event run...
DC, I've always been a fan of everything that is Coombs, but... no.

You can not compare schoolboy 1 at Oak Hill to an event run in conjunction with a major professional series, on the same day, and televised.

Unless the factories start sponsoring schoolboy 1 riders, and they add a schoolboy 1 class to about 8 of the 12 AMA outdoor rounds. THEN, it'd be a good comparison.


To answer the OP's question, there are Suzukis, (theyre still sold everywhere but the US), Yamahas (a bunch with the vdlaar kit) and a sea of Orange bikes. Couple Kawasakis out there, too. come to think of it, only Honda is not being represented.

that might explain why honda is GIVING away those hunk of shit CRF150s for an experimental series this year, too.
So you can buy 2013 125 two strokes outside the US with the exception of Honda? For those of you that weren't familiar with the Vlaar kit (I wasn't) here you go

On the CRF150 subject I will never forget the reaction the father of a young rider that I was helping back in 2008 when he got drilled for close to two grand when his son's CRF150 shelled. The cost of racing and this economy is not healthy for our sport long term. BTW I have a firm grasp of the obvious with the previous sentence, eh? Smile
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burn1986 4/15/2013 1:02pm
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Landonious217 wrote:
And there probably wont be anytime soon. Dying a slow death.......
"Dying a slow death........" Are you talking about the grass roots sport of MX or 125s only?
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Landonious217 4/15/2013 1:42pm
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Landonious217 wrote:
And there probably wont be anytime soon. Dying a slow death.......
burn1986 wrote:
"Dying a slow death........" Are you talking about the grass roots sport of MX or 125s only?
Mx..... the sport has left it's roots. Some here think of mx like its F1 and 4 strokes are some modern marvel of technology that can't be matched.
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2 strokes are recession proof, 4 strokes are not... err something along those lines. Wink

You protect your nest egg (young talent) by keeping them in the sport financially. It also helps that many kids in Europe get financial backing from small outfit teams or shops from their prospective countries going abroad. It's not to expensive to support young Claudio when you're not having to pay to rebuild a 4 stroke motor every few weeks. It's a cheap investment that puts your shop/company out there and if it doesn't work out the supporters are not out 10's of thousands of dollars. National pride also helps secure some sponsor $ too I would assume.
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GuyB 4/15/2013 3:54pm
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Oh boy. Here we go again.

Take a tour around various global Suzuki sites (I've posted links to them before, but don't have the time or patience to make the rounds again), and tell me where they're being sold around the world?

Some of you are letting your passion for the old days get in the way of common sense and/or reality.
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Barrett57 4/15/2013 4:04pm
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The Rock wrote:
It is those four bikes that I am interested in learning what model year they are.
I had an ex EMX125. It was a 2008 rm125, sold new in 2011. It was sold to me after the british gp in 2011. I'm pretty sure it had a lot of parts taken off and replaced for stock before I bought it.

The thing riped! It had rm144 carved into the exhaust, but it was a 125 when I had it.







twosmoke30 4/15/2013 5:38pm
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what the sport needs is a true pro feeder class, and the EMX fits it, most of the guys that come up have a couple options.

1. get onto the big teams (most spots of which are already taken or will be taken by young up and comers)
2. hope they can scrape enough money together to make it to all the rounds, and pray for their bike to hold together
3. Get decent sponsors and still pray the bike holds together for more than a couple races
4. move to 450's because all they really need is suspension and a laptop and you're pretty much set
5. not race in the big leagues, and get a real job to support their local pro effort
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SwapperMX 4/15/2013 5:49pm
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Well, this kicked off. Thanks for the reply DC. I know the amateur scene is massive in the US, but to have 125's racing at the AMA nationals again would be something else. Maybe one day, we can only hope.
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The Rock 4/15/2013 6:38pm
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GuyB wrote:
Oh boy. Here we go again. Take a tour around various global Suzuki sites (I've posted links to them before, but don't have the time or...
Oh boy. Here we go again.

Take a tour around various global Suzuki sites (I've posted links to them before, but don't have the time or patience to make the rounds again), and tell me where they're being sold around the world?

Some of you are letting your passion for the old days get in the way of common sense and/or reality.
Au contraire Pierre. A lot of us are aware the sport's survival isn't based on just what happens at the pro level. Ask your board members if the racer count is increasing or decreasing at the local level.

I'm not sure about outside CA but out west it doesn't bode well for the sport's long term health the vet and senior classes are the biggest portion of the riders. If things don't change in the near future two stroke afficianados won't be the only ones wishing for the good old days.
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GuyB 4/15/2013 6:48pm
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Michael, I'm talking about a very specific instance where people are spreading urban myths about two-strokes being widely available in other countries, but not here. It's B.S.
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Au contraire Pierre. A lot of us are aware the sport's survival isn't based on just what happens at the pro level. Ask your board members...
Au contraire Pierre. A lot of us are aware the sport's survival isn't based on just what happens at the pro level. Ask your board members if the racer count is increasing or decreasing at the local level.

I'm not sure about outside CA but out west it doesn't bode well for the sport's long term health the vet and senior classes are the biggest portion of the riders. If things don't change in the near future two stroke afficianados won't be the only ones wishing for the good old days.
In 2003, 125 Novice Oklahoma/Texas Regional Pro Circuit Series I was lining up with full gates every weekend. At least 3 of the 5 rounds we had to run first moto qualifiers. Swan had something like 76 bikes signed up for 125 Novice and Whitney something like 68. It was before AMA sanctioning and the Novice advancement rule but even Intermediate had 25-35 guys. You can combine classes and give guys 10 laps instead of 5 and you still won't get full gates nowadays.

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