Championships over wins.

Uncleof2
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Edited Date/Time 4/16/2013 6:51pm
In 2005 and 2006 Ricky Carmichael won the supercross championships with out winning any of the last 5 races. Does anyone
think he could have won any of those races or was the Championship more important then the win. RV1 needs only to finish 4th
or better in the last 3 races to win the Championship. Does it make since to let someone by or fight to the end at every race. I
am not saying he didn't try his hardest to win this last weekend, but don't you think it would have been the smart choice to not
duke it out when a mistake could cost you a championship. Just my .02 cents worth. GoRV1!Woohoo
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As Villopoto knows from Jacksonville in 2011, anything can happen. If it were me, I'd do everything possible to wrap it up before Vegas, and only at the last race would I race for the championship. This is exactly what Villopoto did for both MX and SX in 2011. It was clear last night that Villopoto was going all out for the win, as was Dungey.
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Yeh yeh yeh we get it, he's your nephew and your proud, and yeh he will probably win the championship which is the bigger picture in all this. But Dungey had his number on saturday, no doubt about it.

Gotta give some credit to him as well. Well thats what your nephew did, perhaps you could take a page out of his book sometime.
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Let's hope he kicks ass at home this weekend Smile
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RV races smart...when he has to; but, it's pretty obvious...

He likes to Win & Winning pays.

The sticking point?

Titles REALLY pay.

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haydos25 wrote:
Yeh yeh yeh we get it, he's your nephew and your proud, and yeh he will probably win the championship which is the bigger picture in...
Yeh yeh yeh we get it, he's your nephew and your proud, and yeh he will probably win the championship which is the bigger picture in all this. But Dungey had his number on saturday, no doubt about it.

Gotta give some credit to him as well. Well thats what your nephew did, perhaps you could take a page out of his book sometime.
I have already given credit in another thread to RD5's straight up win over Ryan V. What I'm asking is was Chad Reed and James
Stewart really faster that RC in those wins or was RC trying to protect a championship and not riding all out. I know my nephew
better than most and I saw him racing for a championship and not for the win. Maybe, some of you old timers can tell us about the
races back in 05 and 06, were Chad Reed and James Stewart suddenly faster than RC. Ryan Dungey is a great champion and has earned everything he has accomplished, but I can't help thinking that RD5 can probrably win some more races this season
without being the fastest rider on the track.
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QUOTE[ RD5 can probably win some more races this season
without being the fastest rider on the track.]QUOTE

RD was the fastest rider last night, that is why he won. If you're suggesting RV was faster last night, you have blinders on.
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Uncleof2 wrote:
I have already given credit in another thread to RD5's straight up win over Ryan V. What I'm asking is was Chad Reed and James Stewart...
I have already given credit in another thread to RD5's straight up win over Ryan V. What I'm asking is was Chad Reed and James
Stewart really faster that RC in those wins or was RC trying to protect a championship and not riding all out. I know my nephew
better than most and I saw him racing for a championship and not for the win. Maybe, some of you old timers can tell us about the
races back in 05 and 06, were Chad Reed and James Stewart suddenly faster than RC. Ryan Dungey is a great champion and has earned everything he has accomplished, but I can't help thinking that RD5 can probrably win some more races this season
without being the fastest rider on the track.
Fair enough, we all see what we want i guess. I saw two guys going balls out and one came out on top, last week it was a different result, next week may be different again. Dont get into the faster rider on the track argument though, its far to close to the fastest man on the planet argument for mine and you will never get a clear consensus.

I cant tell you about 05 and 06 as my memory is a bit foggy. I can tell you though that in 03 RC beat Reed for the title, but Reed went on a run towards the end, RC wasnt on his level at the end of that series and got beat straight up numerous times, same thing happened on saturday night to your nephew.
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4/14/2013 11:01pm Edited Date/Time 4/14/2013 11:04pm
malachi177 wrote:
QUOTE[ RD5 can probably win some more races this season without being the fastest rider on the track.]QUOTE RD was the fastest rider last night, that...
QUOTE[ RD5 can probably win some more races this season
without being the fastest rider on the track.]QUOTE

RD was the fastest rider last night, that is why he won. If you're suggesting RV was faster last night, you have blinders on.
Missing the point. RD5 was the fastest rider on the track last night if winning and times are your only criteria. So you are saying
that Reed and Stewart were faster than RC in 06 and 05. Do you think that if RV1 was 10 points down in the Championship he
would have raced the same way he did last night. I agree I may have blinders on, but maybe not.
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4/14/2013 11:03pm
Chad Reed was straight up faster in 05 at 2 races off the top of my head San Diego and Daytona.
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did RV's uncle really just create a thread on here to discredit RD's win last night?
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Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and shout "who did that" when a fan boo's your nephew?
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smoker wrote:
did RV's uncle really just create a thread on here to discredit RD's win last night?
No, a win is a win, no matter how it happens. RD5 totally earned his win last night. I am just saying that RV1 is in championship
mode right now and he is not willing to risk that over a win which will affect the remaining races just like it has other Champions
like RC in 05 and 06 and even RV1's win in Las Vegas when he passed JS7 and left him in the dust in 09.
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Cigaro wrote:
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and...
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and shout "who did that" when a fan boo's your nephew?
I'll have to test that out this weekend Grinning Tongue
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Why can't you just say 'RD was the fastest last night', not 'RD was the fastest last night, but...'?
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Run RV2 Uncle... run for your life
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4/14/2013 11:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/14/2013 11:52pm
Cigaro wrote:
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and...
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and shout "who did that" when a fan boo's your nephew?
Cig never disappoints. Always gotta be the big shit talker from behind the key board.

So tell me Cig.....if you had the chance to stack away a cool million for a championship and add one more title to your career....what would you do? Go for fucking broke to win a race instead of take a 2nd and lose it all? Or go play it smart and take the wins you can get and walk away with all that extra money and the title?

From what i read above in uncle's post was....he gave credit to RD for running an awesome race. And you still talk shit. You always talk shit.....and will continue to talk shit ( from behind your keyboard ).

Pull your fucking head out of your ass for a minute and think before you type.

BTW....pretty sure after reading most of your posts.....your uncle is also your father. Go figure.
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Cigaro wrote:
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and...
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and shout "who did that" when a fan boo's your nephew?
Weird that you do not capitalize God and you do uncle. If you were my nephew I would have your back even though you are a
embarrassment to the family. I do go to the SX races, but I usually cheer for my nephew and could care less about those who
boo him. I'll have to ask him at dinner this week if he is embarrassed by my posts and if he is I will certainly respect his wishes
and post less frequently.
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4/14/2013 11:52pm Edited Date/Time 4/14/2013 11:55pm
Cigaro wrote:
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and...
Thk god you aren't my Uncle. I'd be embarrassed by some of your displays. By chance do you go to supercross races and turn around and shout "who did that" when a fan boo's your nephew?
AS64 wrote:
I'll have to test that out this weekend Grinning Tongue
Grinning Let me know what section you will be sitting in so I can sit in front of you and make the test valid.Tongue
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Why can't you just say 'RD was the fastest last night', not 'RD was the fastest last night, but...'?
RD5 was the fastest last night.
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4/14/2013 11:59pm Edited Date/Time 4/15/2013 12:00am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
Why can't you just say 'RD was the fastest last night', not 'RD was the fastest last night, but...'?
Uncleof2 wrote:
RD5 was the fastest last night.
Yep....and RV still has a 22 point lead in the championship.

There , I said it uncle....and I aint even related to him.

I would say it was smart racing by both RD and RV last night.
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Derpin' DJ wrote:
Why can't you just say 'RD was the fastest last night', not 'RD was the fastest last night, but...'?
Uncleof2 wrote:
RD5 was the fastest last night.
jeffro503 wrote:
Yep....and RV still has a 22 point lead in the championship. There , I said it uncle....and I aint even related to him. I would say...
Yep....and RV still has a 22 point lead in the championship.

There , I said it uncle....and I aint even related to him.

I would say it was smart racing by both RD and RV last night.
Times twoSmile
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4/15/2013 12:21am Edited Date/Time 4/15/2013 12:21am
there's no question that RV is faster than the rest, faster by quite a bit. How many wins did he just have in a row for crying out loud?

It would just be nice to not always have to attach an * to Dungey's accomplishments, especially by his main competition's relative, on a message board.
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smoker wrote:
there's no question that RV is faster than the rest, faster by quite a bit. How many wins did he just have in a row for...
there's no question that RV is faster than the rest, faster by quite a bit. How many wins did he just have in a row for crying out loud?

It would just be nice to not always have to attach an * to Dungey's accomplishments, especially by his main competition's relative, on a message board.
No * needed, and I apologize if it seemed like I was making an excuse. I just think people need to also realize that as the
season winds down the need for wins is not as crucial as the need to protect the championship points. RD5 is RV1's
closest competitor and I have great respect for him and his serious mx/sx skills. I know the Ryan's both know that. The
win last night was taken by RD5 and it was a fairy tale night for sure. I hope RV1 can have the same type of victory in
Seattle, but I am sure he will take a second or third if the situation dictates.
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haydos25 wrote:
Yeh yeh yeh we get it, he's your nephew and your proud, and yeh he will probably win the championship which is the bigger picture in...
Yeh yeh yeh we get it, he's your nephew and your proud, and yeh he will probably win the championship which is the bigger picture in all this. But Dungey had his number on saturday, no doubt about it.

Gotta give some credit to him as well. Well thats what your nephew did, perhaps you could take a page out of his book sometime.
Where did he bag on RD or not give credit?

His question was about championship strategy...

95% of the people on this board don't read a post before they respond.
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I'm an equal fan of both Ryans, I just want to see good racing, I'll be in Seattle next week and hoping for another great race. RV doesn't always have the best of luck in Washington.
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4/15/2013 1:38am Edited Date/Time 4/15/2013 1:39am
Uncleof2 wrote:
Weird that you do not capitalize God and you do uncle. If you were my nephew I would have your back even though you are a...
Weird that you do not capitalize God and you do uncle. If you were my nephew I would have your back even though you are a
embarrassment to the family. I do go to the SX races, but I usually cheer for my nephew and could care less about those who
boo him. I'll have to ask him at dinner this week if he is embarrassed by my posts and if he is I will certainly respect his wishes
and post less frequently.
Well seeing that a mod deleted my posts and since you're kin to one of the superstars, I can see why your comments about someones family stay up and see how things really work around here. Considering you're the Billy Mays of pushing the RV product here I'm sorry. I'm still not buying it. I'd hate for you to lose sleep over my opinion.
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Yes I do think Stewart was faster then RC in '06. RC dominated him in the art of racing, but pure speed I'll go with Stewart.


Dungey was the fastest in Minneapolis. Point situations reversed I believe the outcome would of been the same.
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In 2003 Reed peeled off six straight wins to finish out the series, in 2006 Stewart and Reed combined did the same thing. In 2003 the final point difference was seven, in 2006 it was two. In both cases that's way less than the difference between a bad start or a crash.

Now probably RC had figured out at some point that he had enough of a points cushion, and didn't push for wins when he may have otherwise done, but it's a risky strategy. I have no doubt that in those cases (and maybe now with RV), that if their closest competitor in the title is clearly faster on the night, that the decision between lay up and take the points vs going for the win is in their minds.

My guess is that most riders still want to win and giving up points voluntarily is not an easy decision, and maybe one that many don't even consciously think about in the heat of the battle.
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Good post Uncle of 2 and a question worth asking. I think RD was coming on like a freight train and would have passed RV anyway tho. In reference to RC I say yes he got into championship mode a couple of times and rode cautiously. A smart man would. I think there is a million dollar bonus on the line.
Most guys who disagree just want to stir up shit instead of answer the question.
Not that it means anything but my wife who has been going to MX races since 1983 with me, my sons, and now grandson and is absolutely "over it" at this point in her life. Happened to walk by the tv and watched for a second because she heard the crowd go nuts said "why did that guy let him past" when it happened and walked away. I asked her before I posted this what made her think that one guy let the other by and she said "he stood up and coasted for a second as the orange bike went past". She has no idea who is who and no interest in Sx at all. Fans of each rider will see what they want to see when it comes down to it.
Great race, thats for sure.
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Uncleof2 is just telling the truth....and in no way, shape, or form bagging on rd5. I was around RC in 2005, and These guys go into a different mode when a championship is on the line. Doesn't change their desire to win, but it does change some of the risks they'll take. Rd5 won that race, he finally got a decent start right behind rv2, but rv2 did not push the issue as if he had to in Minneapolis. It was gret racing, and we should all be thankful and appreciate that, just like uncleof2 was saying. People bagged on RC for "backing" into a championship....it's not backing in, it's racing at the appropriate level you have to to wrap it up.

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