swimming vs moto in terms of physical fitness

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that phelps dude is amazing. do you think swimming is harder than modern day moto? i must say that it might be closer than we thought. dude's in shape that's for goddam sure
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todder 8/13/2008 6:38am
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Pretty tough. I'm not a very good swimmer but after a 10 minute swim I'm just as tired as a 10 minute moto, breathing wise.
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bogdan912 8/13/2008 6:39am
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That dude is a fish.
TheWeapon 8/13/2008 6:41am
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I used to be pretty serious about swimming when I was in school....I think it's a different kind of fitness for sure. I could do hours of training, and although I felt drained, I was never anywhere near as sore as a day of racing would get me.

Nothing like driving home from a race and your quad cramps up....and when you stretch it out, your hamstring cramps....
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jmar 8/13/2008 6:42am
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bogdan912 wrote:
That dude is a fish.
Totally different type of fitness. No constant impacts on the body in swimming.

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brainbasket 8/13/2008 6:42am
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On the news today they said the guy eats 4,000 calories a day.
TheWeapon 8/13/2008 6:45am
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brainbasket wrote:
On the news today they said the guy eats 4,000 calories a day.
Yeah - that was insane! Lots of fried eggs and bacon and all sorts of crap for breakfast! John Daly uses the same diet.
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brainbasket 8/13/2008 6:48am
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Yeah but Daly's got a thyroid problem ....
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jbomx363 8/13/2008 6:49am
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brainbasket wrote:
On the news today they said the guy eats 4,000 calories a day.
On his olympic snippet they did, he said they WANT him to eat 8-10,000 calories a day! They showed his meals that he does eat and I dunno how he crams it in.

Dude is amazing.
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drmarkr 8/13/2008 6:52am
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Bob, I've done a few (thousand) miles in the pool training and racing tri's and it's a unique sport in that it requires a huge cardiovascular system, combined with very specific technical skills. Moto requires more strength, more balance and more "balls", but swimming is more aerobically demanding (i.e. done at a higher percentage of VO2max).


I will say that swimming is one of the best sports you can use to crosstrain for moto....it's just so technical that the average person that didn't grow up doing it, has a very difficult time picking it up later in life.


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Agree with everybody else that its comparing apples and oranges. I've done a little mulit-sport myself, and the whole swimming thing was a big eye opener for me. There's a lot of technique and physical demands involved in doing it "right". Lets just say that I found a new level of respect for what those guys/gals do.
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I would guess that Carmichaels training was just as intense as Phelps. Cycling, riding motos for hours a day, weight lifting, and diet.
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I know a couple of guys who swam in school and it seems like they have stayed in better shape than most even if they don't swim anymore.
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Hmm.....Can openener!
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jmar 8/13/2008 7:22am
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level wrote:
I would guess that Carmichaels training was just as intense as Phelps. Cycling, riding motos for hours a day, weight lifting, and diet.
The majority of RCs training was on the bike.
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Racer92 8/13/2008 7:22am
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No impact and no heat. No doubt swimming is incredibly demanding - but being completely immersed in water makes it much easier for the body to operate at peak levels.
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super rat 8/13/2008 7:27am
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Just look at some of the top MXer's, MC was a porker when he was at the top of his game, RC was a fat ass when he was killing it on 125's. You just don't see over weight guys at Olympics, because they are real athletes with finely tuned bodies.
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BobbyM wrote:
that phelps dude is amazing. do you think swimming is harder than modern day moto? i must say that it might be closer than we thought...
that phelps dude is amazing. do you think swimming is harder than modern day moto? i must say that it might be closer than we thought. dude's in shape that's for goddam sure
Swimming is excellent for cardio but cardio is a two part system.
1. the amount of O2 the lungs can take in and utilize.
2. the use of that O2 by the working muscles.

In 99 Pingree had been injured and used swimming for low impact training, at the same time I was working with Brandes utilizing MX training on and off the bike.
Brandes goes with Ping for a swimming workout and immediately calls me to say that he was out of shape. Ping could do 30 laps and Brandes could only do 5 before becoming fatigued. I explained it was not the same, the muscles used for MX/SX are different than swimming. First SX Brandes does well and is not fatigued, Ping did ok but was exhausted after the main.
Info: if you are injured and can swim for exercise and cardio it will be of benefit but will not utilize the muscles in the same way as MX/SX.
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jonjon714 8/13/2008 7:40am
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Let's see em swim 30 minutes plus 2....

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Dirty Britches 8/13/2008 7:49am
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I swim 3 days a week. My form sucks, but I work my body hard and it feels great.
My body can't take the pounding of mx or weights as much anymore at age 40 so I picked up swimming last winter. Yes, not doing it as a kid makes it hard to pick up as adult. I stuck with it and can now swim decent, but will never be real fast. I train at same time as local high schools and those 16 - 18 yr old kids humble my ass every single day. fuggers can go forever.
The hardest part for me was feeling comfortable in my new speedo.
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jonjon714 wrote:
Let's see em swim 30 minutes plus 2....

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eat an apple, then eat an orange, do they taste the same?
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super rat 8/13/2008 7:52am
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Go to an local cycling race then go to a local MX race then tell me where you see more fat asses. The proof is in the pudding.
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jonjon714 8/13/2008 7:54am
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jonjon714 wrote:
Let's see em swim 30 minutes plus 2....

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Dirty Britches wrote:
eat an apple, then eat an orange, do they taste the same?
It was joke there speedo britches...

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bogdan912 8/13/2008 7:56am
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How about those gymnasts...
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I saw a report a day or 2 ago that said Phelps swam over 5 miles in 1 day at the olympics. Amazing for sure.
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You cannot fake fitness in a Pool ,on a Bicycle or Running, You can fake it on a Motorcycle and coupled with some good excuses like I'm sick or my bike isn't right , You can get away with it and even have some supporters out of it all.
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cam767 8/13/2008 8:07am
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yeah it is completely different comparisons. Phelps couldnt hop on a mx bike and do 30 min plus 2 laps as hard as he could. Just like bubba couldnt jump in a pool and swim as hard as he could for 2 mins
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BobbyM 8/13/2008 8:22am
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I remember when we were over at hollywood hollys house a long time ago and he showed us a few training tips in the pool. he would jump in and clamor up the side and get out then just jump back in. if you can do this 10 or 20 times without dying you are in pretty good shape. i thought it was bull but i tried it and was beat after just a few. rodney used that technique after jim showed him i bet back at his pool
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leanin 8/13/2008 8:42am
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They are completely different. But, one of the things they have in common is that skills usually trump fitness in both. An overweight, out of shape MXer with excellent skills can ride MX faster than someone who is in excellent shape with average skills. The same is true for swimming. Its when the competitors have similar skillsets that the fitness make the big difference. I've been a fitness buff for 25 yrs and still get my butt kicked by guys 25lbs overweight at the MX track and in the pool by those with better skills.

I use to race mountain bikes, road bikes, running races and triathlons. But, nothing gets my heart rate up faster than racing MX. The guys I use to race bicycles with have a hard time believing MX can be so demanding but the heart rate monitor shows the effort.
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I think the only way to determine that would be v02 max and maybe heart rate. I'm not sure that it would ever work though because RC doesn't have the swimming skills and Phelps doesn't have RC moto skills.

Funny thing to me running is a higher heart rate for me but cycling is way more fatigue on the legs. I guess it really is apples and oranges.

Either way Phelps is a machine. Glad he's on the home team.
Dirty Britches 8/13/2008 9:26am
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bogdan912 wrote:
How about those gymnasts...
Now we're talking. That girl last night who fell off the beam and fell on her butt on floor routine is super hot! ahhh...young Italian girls

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