6D helmets selling fast

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Edited Date/Time 3/30/2013 1:29am
or they're just way behind on production, all sizes and colors backordered, earliest expected delivery is April. Thinking I might pull the trigger on one
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3/9/2013 7:06am
Looks like a smart move. Anything to absorb impact energy is pretty much a good thing.
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3/9/2013 7:12am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2013 7:12am
best part about the 6D helmets popularity will be the other MFG's trying to match their technology. Obviously patents will protect it for now, but it'll push the other mfg to develop similar or better technology and in the end, we consumers win with safer and cheaper gear.
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3/9/2013 7:47am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2013 3:53pm
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.

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3/10/2013 6:36am
I suspect they are just busy keeping up with Zach Bell Grinning
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3/10/2013 6:44am
Woohoo Woohoo Grinning
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mynewcr250 wrote:
best part about the 6D helmets popularity will be the other MFG's trying to match their technology. Obviously patents will protect it for now, but it'll...
best part about the 6D helmets popularity will be the other MFG's trying to match their technology. Obviously patents will protect it for now, but it'll push the other mfg to develop similar or better technology and in the end, we consumers win with safer and cheaper gear.
Like patents protected the Leatt? LOL People will rip off anything and others will sing their praises for doing so. Just flip the "shock absorbers" over and call it a revolutionary design. Or rearrange them in the shape of a thief....Shocked
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3/10/2013 10:29am
conwaymx wrote:
I suspect they are just busy keeping up with Zach Bell Grinning
Ouch!
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3/10/2013 12:55pm
I know a bit about this stuff... Helmets and Patents. I’ve designed a few helmets that made it to market and know the patent game to a certain degree.

Helmets are mostly designed to pass the standards tests and look good. Those are the main criteria.. Cost to mfg is considered as well. What 6D is looking to do is actually build a helmet that works well in real world impacts yet can still pass the standards tests.

Let me explain a few things: Traditional helmets have a EPS foam liner. To get the helmets to pass the tests the designer/MFG increases the density of the EPS foam so it can handle the drop tests. Increasing foam density effectively makes the helmet liners “hard”. The liner really doesn’t move much unless it’s a big impact. So, smaller impacts where a more cushy liner would have helped absorb the blow just get transferred to the riders head due to the hard EPS liner. The 6D product looks like it’s targeting this issue: The “shock absorbers” they have move fairly easily compared to the liner material. Thus, the shock absorbers help soften those smaller real world impacts that can cause concussions. And, when the shock absorbers bottom out on a bigger hit the harder liner is there to help. Thus, it’s a bit of a dual stage liner. It’s a smart idea. When we made bike helmets we were up in the 8-9 pound density area to pass tests. They were pretty darn hard. I had some 5 pound density samples that were really light but they wouldn't pass the tests.

Now, if the product gets wide market adoption there will be products that have this “dual stage liner” concept incorporated in them. I would need to look at the filings 6d made with the patent office, but I assume 6D will own the patent for the shock absorbers they designed used in combination with EPS liner. I don’t think they could patent the “dual stage” concept as it’s been done before in football helmets etc. However, it’s possible they could get something like that issues but it would be hard to protect. In other words, there is enough old patents in this area that anyone using that concept should be able to do so based on the past stuff (“Pryor art” in patent language).

So, it’s good there will be competition. You may think they are ripping off 6D but if you look at the patents in this area you'll find there are a ton of ideas done before. And, the competition will help bring down prices and introduce alternative designs that target this area (real world impacts vs. the tests). Certainly 6D has helped push the move to safer helmets. And if they play their cards right from a business perspective they should be able to capitalize on it.
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3/10/2013 7:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2013 8:03pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
Curious where you found a Small, since 6D says they won't be available anywhere until the summer. I'll likely need a small and want to try one. I asked Doc Brown, but he needs the DeLorean this week, so I won't be trying one that way.

Joking aside, if you did really try one, I would like to know which shop, so I can give them a call.
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3/10/2013 9:10pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
For what it is worth, I am pretty sure that the TLD helmets are "Made In China" as well.
3/10/2013 9:24pm
It's posts like PTshox's that keep me coming to this forum; poignant and insightful.

Interesting perspective on the testing protocol for helmets, sounds like it's time for a more dynamic test.
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3/10/2013 9:43pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2013 9:48pm
Unless something has changed in the past few months, Topkey Corp. out of Taiwan, China makes Troy Lee, One Industries and Simpson helmets. http://www.greatexportimport.com/s-topkey_corporation/16042
Shoei manufactures their own helmets and have since 1958. They are located in Tokyo, Japan.
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3/11/2013 8:50pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
RCC104 wrote:
Curious where you found a Small, since 6D says they won't be available anywhere until the summer. I'll likely need a small and want to try...
Curious where you found a Small, since 6D says they won't be available anywhere until the summer. I'll likely need a small and want to try one. I asked Doc Brown, but he needs the DeLorean this week, so I won't be trying one that way.

Joking aside, if you did really try one, I would like to know which shop, so I can give them a call.
My thoughts exactly, except the needing a small helmet part, my head is giant.
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3/12/2013 4:40pm
I've always wondered why you can't just have a gel packet as a sub lining inside the foam liner. Like a gel bag. Might make your head run hot. But in a crash it will give and allow some rotational movement. Would be cheaper too.
3/12/2013 5:34pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
Whats your point with the MADE IN CHINA remark?
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3/13/2013 12:39pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
Troy Lee is made in China as well.
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3/13/2013 1:32pm
The gel pack stuff was and is done in the foot ball helmet market.. I'd expect such designs to start to surface in this market though. That was my point above about competition. Hopefully we get some really cool stuff from a design/ safety stand point in the coming years. The hard EPS liner only needs to be updated.
3/13/2013 1:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2013 6:53pm
I'd rather spend the money on a Shoei or an Arai, i think the 6D's are ugly IMO. I would also think because of the dual liner absorber design it would be heavier and not vent as well as a traditional helmet.
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3/13/2013 2:07pm
I was looking to order one, but the price is a little steep.

The old Bell Helmet joke was "have a ten dollar head, then wear a ten dollar helmet"

I believe in that, but im not sure my melon is worth $745.00 right now, there's just a bunch of worthless crap in there anyway.

The 6D sure sounds logical, but are there any independent tests results for it yet? Is it really better than a traditional lid?

Shoei for me for the time being....
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3/13/2013 2:10pm
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan? Personally, it doesn't bother me where it was made, so long as it is with good materials and built to the correct standards. I would like it if a company actually manufactured (not just designed) helmets made in either the states or some European country but I don't know of any.
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socaldan wrote:
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan...
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan? Personally, it doesn't bother me where it was made, so long as it is with good materials and built to the correct standards. I would like it if a company actually manufactured (not just designed) helmets made in either the states or some European country but I don't know of any.
There is a huge difference in pride of workmanship between the Chinese and the Japanese.
The Japanese build quality stuff. Same cant be said for Chinese.
I have 3 TLD helmets. All three had little issues here and there...kinda fell apart. I never paid attention to where they were built but makes since there built in China.
I have also owned Shoei's...just bought a brand new one. And Ive owned Arai's. Both Japanese built and not even in the same league as the TLD's or any other Chinese helmet Ive ever seen.
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3/13/2013 2:59pm
750 dollars for a chinese made helmet? I don't care how great the ceo says they are, I'll stick with a tried and true Shoei. My head is one area that I'll let other people try the new fangled ideas and not-my-first-choice country of origin.
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3/13/2013 3:02pm
socaldan wrote:
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan...
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan? Personally, it doesn't bother me where it was made, so long as it is with good materials and built to the correct standards. I would like it if a company actually manufactured (not just designed) helmets made in either the states or some European country but I don't know of any.
Schuberth is made in Germany, not offroad designed though
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3/13/2013 3:15pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2013 3:17pm
Kevlar/Fiberglass 3/4 Helmet Made in Colorado $365.00 Yes they are predominately a law enforcement helmet maker but if a guy wanted to wear a 3/4 helmet here you go!!! http://estores.infront.com/superseer/item_info.asp?pid=1846 Shoot I'm old enough to remember the old SuperSeer goggles.
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3/13/2013 3:30pm
PTshox wrote:
The gel pack stuff was and is done in the foot ball helmet market.. I'd expect such designs to start to surface in this market though...
The gel pack stuff was and is done in the foot ball helmet market.. I'd expect such designs to start to surface in this market though. That was my point above about competition. Hopefully we get some really cool stuff from a design/ safety stand point in the coming years. The hard EPS liner only needs to be updated.
" The hard EPS liner only needs to be updated."

TLD and I think a few others already have dual density liners to address lower speed and higher speed impacts and in certain parts of the head liner. Go check out a Shoei or a TLD and you can visually see the dual density liners incorporated.
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3/13/2013 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2013 4:07pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
RCC104 wrote:
Curious where you found a Small, since 6D says they won't be available anywhere until the summer. I'll likely need a small and want to try...
Curious where you found a Small, since 6D says they won't be available anywhere until the summer. I'll likely need a small and want to try one. I asked Doc Brown, but he needs the DeLorean this week, so I won't be trying one that way.

Joking aside, if you did really try one, I would like to know which shop, so I can give them a call.
Fixed my post, It was misleading when I read your remark and I re-read it. I did not try the small as you and Geezer at the counter mentioned the small will not be out for a few months. I tried one on at Blackfoot motosports in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I work there. The comments that I made are the same as other people who tried them on, and the 3 that we have on the shelf are still there.... I also tried a Shoei, Arai and Troy lee at the same time and the 6 D does not fit my tall and skinny head. The Shoei fit me the best, but I already have one....
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3/13/2013 3:59pm
socaldan wrote:
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan...
Reading the post and comments got me wondering... does anybody know of a helmet manufacturer that DOESN'T have their helmets made in either China or Japan? Personally, it doesn't bother me where it was made, so long as it is with good materials and built to the correct standards. I would like it if a company actually manufactured (not just designed) helmets made in either the states or some European country but I don't know of any.
qtrracer wrote:
Schuberth is made in Germany, not offroad designed though
I have a new Schuberth and love it like a child.
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3/13/2013 4:06pm
three9zero wrote:
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei...
Tried one on at the shop today, did not fit me well at all and MADE IN CHINA. I wear a medium Troy Lee and Shoei, but the 6 D I would have to go small, I could spin it around and I could pull the top of the eye port almost to the tip of my nose. It felt like a cheaper Fox/HJC KBC style helmet, or one that uses one size of shell and just add padding for fit. Big let down as I had cash in hand.
motokiwi wrote:
Whats your point with the MADE IN CHINA remark?
Whenever possible I prefer to purchase products not made there, or any other country that provides cheap labour allowing corporations to manufacture products and cut labour costs, boosting their profits ,and destroying our economy here. You live in the USA, if you do not understand why you're part of the problem....

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