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davidex400 3/4/2013 11:55am
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The official should never have talked to RV until the race was finished. He made 2 very questionable passes in this race and should have been...
The official should never have talked to RV until the race was finished. He made 2 very questionable passes in this race and should have been docked. Ive raced SX before and trust me you can see the flags there easier than an outdoor race. He knew what he was doing. Whether or not the pass happened before or after the flag he took advantage of a situation with a downed rider. To me that is very low.
he was more aware of the yellow fag rule then stewart apparently. no matter how dumb or unsaf you think te rule is, he took advantage of it and you cant blame him. hes paid to win. the 1st penalty i dont know if what he got was fair or not, havent decided myself
The Roooster 3/4/2013 12:07pm
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Nobody is saying that RV wasn't fastest guy of the night, even Stewart gave him huge props in his interview talking about how amazing RV rode. That is not the point. Having some rules, following them and being consistent is very much the point.
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BigDaddyG 3/4/2013 12:35pm
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BigDaddyG wrote:
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
newmann wrote:
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line...
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line, they'll have to be enforcing stop and go penalties and not after the race penalties. They fucked up as usual.
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point which was the correct thing to do since there was a restart. The 2nd incident is a non issue since there was nothing illegal done per the rule book. James should have protected his line instead of taking a break.

RV messed up, knows he messed up, was penalized for it and now we should move on. Haters are just hatin'!
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burn1986 3/4/2013 2:06pm
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Aw man, I thought this would be a 2-stroke slam on the AMA! Oh we'll, wrong thread.

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panic revver 3/4/2013 2:20pm
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RonSkj wrote:
The fastest guy won. The split second you clowns are whining about, made no difference. The out come would have been the same.
Ok what will the finishing order of the field be next week? Split seconds never matter in SX, right?
panic revver 3/4/2013 2:21pm
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BigDaddyG wrote:
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
newmann wrote:
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line...
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line, they'll have to be enforcing stop and go penalties and not after the race penalties. They fucked up as usual.
BigDaddyG wrote:
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point...
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point which was the correct thing to do since there was a restart. The 2nd incident is a non issue since there was nothing illegal done per the rule book. James should have protected his line instead of taking a break.

RV messed up, knows he messed up, was penalized for it and now we should move on. Haters are just hatin'!
Who got the points for that first race you speak of?
Idiots just be idioting?
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BigDaddyG wrote:
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
So if you're disqualified for breaking a riders leg during the 1st part of the race. You are ALLOWED to race the restart according to you and still can manage to take a top 5 ...

There is only 1 thing I can say about you ...
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Crush 3/4/2013 2:41pm
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Ryan Villopoto: "They originally told me, we’re going to dock you after the race. And I’m like, whoa, well you’re restarting so start me now… so...
Ryan Villopoto:
"They originally told me, we’re going to dock you after the race. And I’m like, whoa, well you’re restarting so start me now… so then they said okay, yeah, yeah, they must have mis-said what they were originally going to do, and ended up changing it. That was good because whatever happened during the race it’s not like I was stuck with winning and then getting docked. So that was good."
That is fuckin unbelievable....

Clearly being penalised at the start is no where near the same as being docked at the end

RV - Hey man, What the fuck?!

AMA guy - Yeah ok...

That just means they didn't engage the rules properly twice... pathetic...
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THE_NOOB 3/4/2013 2:51pm
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RV won the race fair and square, NO! amount of whining on this Board is going to change a thing. If you don't like it, instead of watching the Daytona Supercross this Saturday, maybe you can catch an episode of Desperate Housewives instead, since Supercross gets your Panties in a BunchSmile
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RonSkj 3/4/2013 3:00pm
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RonSkj wrote:
The fastest guy won. The split second you clowns are whining about, made no difference. The out come would have been the same.
panic revver wrote:
Ok what will the finishing order of the field be next week? Split seconds never matter in SX, right?
Just sayin, 3 laps after "the pass" RV had 3 1/2 seconds on JS.

And next week, I don't know the order, but it will start with RV 1st..
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RonSkj 3/4/2013 3:14pm
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RonSkj wrote:
The fastest guy won. The split second you clowns are whining about, made no difference. The out come would have been the same.
panic revver wrote:
Ok what will the finishing order of the field be next week? Split seconds never matter in SX, right?
RonSkj wrote:
Just sayin, 3 laps after "the pass" RV had 3 1/2 seconds on JS. And next week, I don't know the order, but it will start...
Just sayin, 3 laps after "the pass" RV had 3 1/2 seconds on JS.

And next week, I don't know the order, but it will start with RV 1st..
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Titan1 3/4/2013 3:28pm
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BigDaddyG wrote:
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
newmann wrote:
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line...
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line, they'll have to be enforcing stop and go penalties and not after the race penalties. They fucked up as usual.
BigDaddyG wrote:
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point...
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point which was the correct thing to do since there was a restart. The 2nd incident is a non issue since there was nothing illegal done per the rule book. James should have protected his line instead of taking a break.

RV messed up, knows he messed up, was penalized for it and now we should move on. Haters are just hatin'!
Sorry dude, but your logic is way off.

the point of the 3 spot penalty is the POINTS that are lost because of it. To assess the penalty at the restart no points are lost...if the assess it at the end of the race, he loses points.

He was the fastest guy on the track and was going to win...so to assess him a 3 position penalty at the restart didn't penalize him at all, it just gave him some passing practice. To assess him a 3 position penalty at the end of the race, means he only gets 4th place points, rather than 1st place points...and THAT is a penalty!
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72kiteboarder 3/4/2013 3:28pm
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BigDaddyG wrote:
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
newmann wrote:
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line...
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line, they'll have to be enforcing stop and go penalties and not after the race penalties. They fucked up as usual.
BigDaddyG wrote:
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point...
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point which was the correct thing to do since there was a restart. The 2nd incident is a non issue since there was nothing illegal done per the rule book. James should have protected his line instead of taking a break.

RV messed up, knows he messed up, was penalized for it and now we should move on. Haters are just hatin'!
BigDaddyG, Your whole 2 races thing is about the stupidest thing I have ever read in regards to racing.
Trickassmarks 3/4/2013 3:31pm
3/4/2013 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2013 3:32pm
So villopoto made them backflip their decision.........What exactly are they there for?
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72kiteboarder 3/4/2013 3:36pm
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So, conceivably, if a rider jumps on a red cross in the future, his team mate can play hurt, get the race stopped so the offender can be penalized mid-race instead of post race?

Great precedent the AMA set with this oneWhistling
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malachi177 3/4/2013 3:45pm
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The AMA needed to set an example and dock RV three positions from the first infraction. Doesn't matter if its a RE-start, it's the same race. If they would've docked RV those three spots at the end of the race, there would be no more "grey" area and the riders would be a lot more concerned about the flags.
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dak446 3/4/2013 3:47pm
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malachi177 wrote:
The AMA needed to set an example and dock RV three positions from the first infraction. Doesn't matter if its a RE-start, it's the same race...
The AMA needed to set an example and dock RV three positions from the first infraction. Doesn't matter if its a RE-start, it's the same race. If they would've docked RV those three spots at the end of the race, there would be no more "grey" area and the riders would be a lot more concerned about the flags.
I said this previously in one of these stupid threads. How can the sport be safe when they don't follow the rules set forth to protect downed riders?
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malachi177 3/4/2013 3:51pm
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dak446 wrote:
I said this previously in one of these stupid threads. How can the sport be safe when they don't follow the rules set forth to protect...
I said this previously in one of these stupid threads. How can the sport be safe when they don't follow the rules set forth to protect downed riders?
I agree dak.

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GuyB 3/4/2013 3:55pm
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kongols wrote:
Ryan Villopoto: "They originally told me, we’re going to dock you after the race. And I’m like, whoa, well you’re restarting so start me now… so...
Ryan Villopoto:
"They originally told me, we’re going to dock you after the race. And I’m like, whoa, well you’re restarting so start me now… so then they said okay, yeah, yeah, they must have mis-said what they were originally going to do, and ended up changing it. That was good because whatever happened during the race it’s not like I was stuck with winning and then getting docked. So that was good."
Crush wrote:
That is fuckin unbelievable.... Clearly being penalised at the start is no where near the same as being docked at the end RV - Hey man...
That is fuckin unbelievable....

Clearly being penalised at the start is no where near the same as being docked at the end

RV - Hey man, What the fuck?!

AMA guy - Yeah ok...

That just means they didn't engage the rules properly twice... pathetic...
You can listen to it on the homepage. It's fragmented, but sounds a little less confusing there.
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Yeah just listened... Really like that format btw...

I still think they should have just penalised him a position for each move at the end of the race, he ends up 3rd. Doing it on the restart is not really a penalty, it's a slight impedance, and not consistent to what they've done in the past. If they knew what consistency was tho they'd be on the way to learning about credibility.

I just posted on your FB, I think when you click back a slide, it starts another audio loop? felt like I was hearing double...?
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jasonv43 3/4/2013 4:04pm
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newmann wrote:
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line...
How was it two races? Were points awarded after the first three laps? It was a restart, nothing more. If they try to play that line, they'll have to be enforcing stop and go penalties and not after the race penalties. They fucked up as usual.
BigDaddyG wrote:
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point...
The race was stopped and they lined back up. Essentialy that could be like a second race. Either way, they assesed the penalty at that point which was the correct thing to do since there was a restart. The 2nd incident is a non issue since there was nothing illegal done per the rule book. James should have protected his line instead of taking a break.

RV messed up, knows he messed up, was penalized for it and now we should move on. Haters are just hatin'!
Titan1 wrote:
Sorry dude, but your logic is way off. the point of the 3 spot penalty is the POINTS that are lost because of it. To assess...
Sorry dude, but your logic is way off.

the point of the 3 spot penalty is the POINTS that are lost because of it. To assess the penalty at the restart no points are lost...if the assess it at the end of the race, he loses points.

He was the fastest guy on the track and was going to win...so to assess him a 3 position penalty at the restart didn't penalize him at all, it just gave him some passing practice. To assess him a 3 position penalty at the end of the race, means he only gets 4th place points, rather than 1st place points...and THAT is a penalty!
Bingo! Titan gets it right, why can't the AMA?

On a side note. If RV wins the title this year do we put a red flag next to his name?Pinch
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davidex400 3/4/2013 4:39pm
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this really blows, because now if rv wins people will be counting the points he
"shoulda" lost in st louis....
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RealityZ 3/4/2013 5:00pm
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I'm an RV fan but, the AMA clearly screwed up twice

RV passed between a red flag and the downed rider, there is no grey area there.
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davidex400 3/4/2013 5:07pm
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yep, lets keep this going shall we? idk what you saw the second time, but having a yellow WAVING and a red cross STATIONARY was the flaggers fault, not villopoto's. many of you would have done the same thing. he caught stewart napping and dove on it asap. next!
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dazzlindino wrote:
should be a green flag after any yellows or medic flag indicating that the race is back on from that point and that point only...
A very good idea.
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davidex400 wrote:
yep, lets keep this going shall we? idk what you saw the second time, but having a yellow WAVING and a red cross STATIONARY was the...
yep, lets keep this going shall we? idk what you saw the second time, but having a yellow WAVING and a red cross STATIONARY was the flaggers fault, not villopoto's. many of you would have done the same thing. he caught stewart napping and dove on it asap. next!
He admitted he saw both flags.
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dazzlindino wrote:
should be a green flag after any yellows or medic flag indicating that the race is back on from that point and that point only...
TerryK wrote:
A very good idea.
lol... I just had a similar idea in another thread!
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davidex400 3/4/2013 5:26pm
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davidex400 wrote:
yep, lets keep this going shall we? idk what you saw the second time, but having a yellow WAVING and a red cross STATIONARY was the...
yep, lets keep this going shall we? idk what you saw the second time, but having a yellow WAVING and a red cross STATIONARY was the flaggers fault, not villopoto's. many of you would have done the same thing. he caught stewart napping and dove on it asap. next!
TerryK wrote:
He admitted he saw both flags.
then just take the damn points off already and be done. point is both flags shouldnt have been in one guys hands, if it were me id abide by the one waving, as rv did.
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Maybe the officals need to review incidents after the race, and then hand down a penalty if one is warranted.

I don't believe RV's first penalty should have been enforced on the restart. Should have been enforced after the race was completed, unless it was a black flag situation.
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BigDaddyG 3/4/2013 6:13pm
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It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the...
It makes sense. They essentialy had 2 races and the assessed the penalty after the race that it happened in. To asses the penalty st the end of the 2nd race wouldn't have been fair or made sense. The AMA did the right thing.
KlootZak wrote:
So if you're disqualified for breaking a riders leg during the 1st part of the race. You are ALLOWED to race the restart according to you...
So if you're disqualified for breaking a riders leg during the 1st part of the race. You are ALLOWED to race the restart according to you and still can manage to take a top 5 ...

There is only 1 thing I can say about you ...
Your scenerio is a bit exaggerated there, ass hat, and not what I said.

I said ESSENTIALLY it was like having 2 races.....not that they HAD 2 races. There was a restart that they assesed the penalty on and that was the correct thing to do. Had there been no restart then yes they could have assesed the penely then if there had been a penalty worthy of taking points. Predicting the future and what they might have done is a waste of time. . But since they had the restart that was the correct place and time to dock him.

Bottom line is RV was penelized for his actions and the fuckin' cry baby vitards (first time I ever used that) who seem to know more about racing, the rules and what the racers should have done, have their pantys in a bunch because RV has everyones #. Sad part is 1/2 of the whiners probably don't even ride. Shame

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