Should Bell have been allowed to race?

Slow wrote:

Asterisk ‏@Asterisk_USA
@oJAMEYo Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue. That decision is at the sole discretion if the AMA/FIM.

Slow wrote:

So i guess the test does'nt matter. Not up to the Dr up to the AMA!

Slow wrote:

Asterisk ‏@Asterisk_USA
@oJAMEYo Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue. That decision is at the sole discretion if the AMA/FIM.

ando wrote:

Interesting. If I interpret that tweet correctly, that is someone from Asterisk themselves saying they can't prevent a rider from continuing?

newmann wrote:

Speed Centers number 1 wow factor. KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS.....but it was Jake Bell, so all is good. LOL??

Slow wrote:

Asterisk ‏@Asterisk_USA
@oJAMEYo Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue. That decision is at the sole discretion if the AMA/FIM.

ando wrote:

Interesting. If I interpret that tweet correctly, that is someone from Asterisk themselves saying they can't prevent a rider from continuing?

Slow wrote:

Thats how i understand it.

Slow wrote:

Asterisk ‏@Asterisk_USA
@oJAMEYo Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue. That decision is at the sole discretion if the AMA/FIM.

Slow wrote:

So i guess the test does'nt matter. Not up to the Dr up to the AMA!

mooch wrote:

LoL...Does that mean for folks like Regis and Choppy who totally rely on others to tell them whether or not a person is knocked out (regardless...

LoL...Does that mean for folks like Regis and Choppy who totally rely on others to tell them whether or not a person is knocked out (regardless of how long that person is laying motionless on the track), must now depend on the AMA/FIM. Yeah, good luck with that!

Choppy wrote:

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross...

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross and Motocross National Series to inform me if the rider was or wasn't. Do you know who the Medical Director for the AMA supercross series is?

Choppy wrote:

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross...

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross and Motocross National Series to inform me if the rider was or wasn't. Do you know who the Medical Director for the AMA supercross series is?

zehn wrote:

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they...

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue."

And yes I know he is also the Medical Director of SX

Choppy wrote:

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross...

If I'm not at the race I rely on The Chief of Staff at the Asterisk Mobile Medical Center and Medical Director for the AMA Supercross and Motocross National Series to inform me if the rider was or wasn't. Do you know who the Medical Director for the AMA supercross series is?

zehn wrote:

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they...

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue."

And yes I know he is also the Medical Director of SX

Choppy wrote:

Who do you think the AMA consults with ? Hint: Medical Director of SX I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We...

Who do you think the AMA consults with ?

Hint: Medical Director of SX

I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We thought we could drive him to the hospital, but Bodnar refused to let us and made an ambulance take him. HE WOULD NOT LET US LEAVE THE RIG. If you think Bodnar would let a guy out of the rig that's not ok to leave you're on crack.

It seems like the only people that know and believe in Bodnar are people that have actually been at the highest level in one form or another and that's sad to me.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

I haven't read all of this BS, but has anyone who thinks he shouldn't have ridden asked why the team didn't give him the night off...

I haven't read all of this BS, but has anyone who thinks he shouldn't have ridden asked why the team didn't give him the night off? Neither Doc Bodner nor the FIM made him ride.

zehn wrote:

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they...

I don't want to get back into this discussion, but reread what you just quoted. "Dr. Bodnar has no authority to tell a rider that they cannot continue."

And yes I know he is also the Medical Director of SX

Choppy wrote:

Who do you think the AMA consults with ? Hint: Medical Director of SX I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We...

Who do you think the AMA consults with ?

Hint: Medical Director of SX

I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We thought we could drive him to the hospital, but Bodnar refused to let us and made an ambulance take him. HE WOULD NOT LET US LEAVE THE RIG. If you think Bodnar would let a guy out of the rig that's not ok to leave you're on crack.

It seems like the only people that know and believe in Bodnar are people that have actually been at the highest level in one form or another and that's sad to me.

ando wrote:

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info...

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info was on the AMMC website. This leads me to think that the AMA doesn't have a formal policy.

I wonder if an incident like Zach's had occurred during the main, would they invoke the assessment and consultation process?

Choppy wrote:

Who do you think the AMA consults with ? Hint: Medical Director of SX I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We...

Who do you think the AMA consults with ?

Hint: Medical Director of SX

I had a friend break his ribs and collapse his lungs. We thought we could drive him to the hospital, but Bodnar refused to let us and made an ambulance take him. HE WOULD NOT LET US LEAVE THE RIG. If you think Bodnar would let a guy out of the rig that's not ok to leave you're on crack.

It seems like the only people that know and believe in Bodnar are people that have actually been at the highest level in one form or another and that's sad to me.

ando wrote:

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info...

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info was on the AMMC website. This leads me to think that the AMA doesn't have a formal policy.

I wonder if an incident like Zach's had occurred during the main, would they invoke the assessment and consultation process?

Choppy wrote:

He's told people, and some of them even post here such as Lemoine and Peick that they wouldn't be racing. He's told people before that they...

He's told people, and some of them even post here such as Lemoine and Peick that they wouldn't be racing. He's told people before that they won't be on that line after hitting there heads, and regardless of what anyone says here or quotes here, I've seen it in person,(not a video) of him telling people NO and that means No.

FreshTopEnd wrote:

So, either they have no interest in his well-being or their investment in him, or the people closest to him and able to assess his situation...

So, either they have no interest in his well-being or their investment in him, or the people closest to him and able to assess his situation felt he was okay. I don't see any other alternatives.

ando wrote:

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info...

What's interesting is that when searching for policies on concussion management I couldn't find anything from the AMA, Feld, etc. The place I found useful info was on the AMMC website. This leads me to think that the AMA doesn't have a formal policy.

I wonder if an incident like Zach's had occurred during the main, would they invoke the assessment and consultation process?

Choppy wrote:

He's told people, and some of them even post here such as Lemoine and Peick that they wouldn't be racing. He's told people before that they...

He's told people, and some of them even post here such as Lemoine and Peick that they wouldn't be racing. He's told people before that they won't be on that line after hitting there heads, and regardless of what anyone says here or quotes here, I've seen it in person,(not a video) of him telling people NO and that means No.

Slow wrote:

So why the lie from asterisk on twitter?

Choppy wrote:

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality. If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and...

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality.

If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and he tells them NO. It's NO.

Choppy wrote:

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a...

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a bike early.

It bugs me that people think a man who watched a young man pass away at San Diego and has given more to the sport than almost anyone wouldn't make a call if he felt a rider was unsafe. It's almost disrespectful to me, and it's not about me being right or wrong it's about protecting a man who cares more about this sport than almost anyone.

I guess that's about it for me.

Choppy wrote:

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality. If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and...

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality.

If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and he tells them NO. It's NO.

Slow wrote:

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the...

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the series?
I wonder what the reaction would be? It's not really up to the Dr.

Choppy wrote:

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a...

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a bike early.

It bugs me that people think a man who watched a young man pass away at San Diego and has given more to the sport than almost anyone wouldn't make a call if he felt a rider was unsafe. It's almost disrespectful to me, and it's not about me being right or wrong it's about protecting a man who cares more about this sport than almost anyone.

I guess that's about it for me.

35smom wrote:

Don't be discouraged. You know the real deal. Doc Bodnar and his staff are amazing.
Are you referring to San Diego 2006?

Choppy wrote:

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a...

This is a team that has sat behind riders like Hahn when he had 2 horrible years, and Bogle and not pushed him back on a bike early.

It bugs me that people think a man who watched a young man pass away at San Diego and has given more to the sport than almost anyone wouldn't make a call if he felt a rider was unsafe. It's almost disrespectful to me, and it's not about me being right or wrong it's about protecting a man who cares more about this sport than almost anyone.

I guess that's about it for me.

35smom wrote:

Don't be discouraged. You know the real deal. Doc Bodnar and his staff are amazing.
Are you referring to San Diego 2006?

Choppy wrote:

Yeah.

35smom wrote:

Don't be discouraged. You know the real deal. Doc Bodnar and his staff are amazing.
Are you referring to San Diego 2006?

Choppy wrote:

Yeah.

35smom wrote:

I was there to watch Jason Lawrence race. Never forget that.

Slow wrote:

So why the lie from asterisk on twitter?

Choppy wrote:

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality. If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and...

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality.

If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and he tells them NO. It's NO.

Slow wrote:

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the...

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the series?
I wonder what the reaction would be? It's not really up to the Dr.

Choppy wrote:

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality. If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and...

It's not a lie. It's more a technicality.

If he calls the AMA and says this rider is unfit to ride or they ask him and he tells them NO. It's NO.

Slow wrote:

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the...

What if the Geico team owner goes to the AMA and tells them that if they don't let Bell ride they will pull out of the series?
I wonder what the reaction would be? It's not really up to the Dr.

Choppy wrote:

2 things. !. Do you think Mike Larocco would go against what Bodnar, a guy who he's seen in the past and has respect for would...

2 things.

!. Do you think Mike Larocco would go against what Bodnar, a guy who he's seen in the past and has respect for would say?
2. Do you Honestly think Geico would pull out of the series if they didn't let Bell ride after that crash, and do you think the AMA/Feld cares about other teams when they won't even mention MCR's sponsors on the broadcast?

Slow wrote:

So why the lie from asterisk on twitter?

mooch wrote:

Kinda confusing huh? Why would they bother tweeting that at this particular point in time? Is it a possibility that in hindsight, someone realized a questionable...

Kinda confusing huh?

Why would they bother tweeting that at this particular point in time?

Is it a possibility that in hindsight, someone realized a questionable decision may have been made. Now attempting to cover their asses while also muddying the waters on how that final determination is made.

Then again, it's all just a "technicality".

C.Worthy wrote:

Since some of the people on here think that they are doctors AND can 100% assess a downed rider from the comfort of their own couch...

Since some of the people on here think that they are doctors AND can 100% assess a downed rider from the comfort of their own couch I thought I'd do a little searching on here and found a VERY reliable post that is full of information that a lot of you couch doctors refuse to believe. Here is the link he posted as well just in case you'd like to further educate yourselves since a lot of you seem to think that going to school to become a doctor is pointless.

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/43/Suppl_1/i76.full?sid=6a95a58d-2291-41a7-ab84-777b804839eb

ando wrote:

Thanks, good info there. By the way this is all on the AMMC website. I have two questions about how the policy is implemented: 1. If...

Thanks, good info there. By the way this is all on the AMMC website.

I have two questions about how the policy is implemented:

1. If this happened during a main event, would they pull the rider off the track so they can conduct the assessment, and then let them return if all OK? The implication of course is that due to the nature of the race doing so will effectively relegate them to last place due to the time taken.

2. Does a rider have to submit to any testing or assessments?

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Fuck no what are they thinking? Dirt nap=head injury

Choppy wrote:

It was a hard day for me.