Tomac head plant....no neck brace

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Vinyard 1/27/2013 6:21pm
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RCC104 wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook regarding the crash... neck brace or not, the 6D definitely appears to have come through: [b][i]6D Helmets Great news that Eli's...
Just saw this on Facebook regarding the crash... neck brace or not, the 6D definitely appears to have come through:

6D Helmets

Great news that Eli's helmet did its job last night in Oakland and he had no issues from the impact to his head. The team reported that they were very happy with the performance of the helmet and that it just saved their season! Eli commented that he was "very impressed with the impact absorption" of his 6D!

Watch it real close..now ask yourself..if his neck was braced would he have flipped like that or had all that energy driven down into his skull? I think the latter.

Think about it
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Vinyard 1/27/2013 6:23pm
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GuyB wrote:
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE." Okay...
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE."

Okay, that's a Huffington post article that says he died of a head injury. I don't see a word in there about a neck brace.

I asked for data.
Vinyard wrote:
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually...
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually help I would be the first one to stand behind them, until then..it's just another marketing gimmick.
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I gave you 145 pages to go through that has independent reviewers saying the data is good.... I think your simply looking for an argument and...
I gave you 145 pages to go through that has independent reviewers saying the data is good....

I think your simply looking for an argument and don't care if your wrong. I'm not participating unless you can post some data of your own.
Independent data? It's posted on their website!!! Do you really think they'd post data that says their product is no good or adds very little value in terms of protection?

You can't be serious, can you?
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I think...you had a glorious two-day posting career.
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dehann 1/27/2013 6:39pm
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Cycle News did an article a few years ago that led me to buy an A-stars brace. They went so far as to test them on cadavers, so to say that there has been no research done is simply not true.

I'm sure alot of additional research has been done since this article was written. Wear one, don't wear one, whatever, but at least make an educated choice.

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/industry-news/2009/11/04/neck-protection-let-s-talk-about-it

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Crash82 1/27/2013 6:55pm
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Is Tomac okay? Looked like he hurt his leg or something? Hate to see that, he seems like a nice guy.
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MX45 1/27/2013 6:56pm
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Me thinks cushioning your head also helps cushion your spine when doing a lawn dart impression. Your head bone's connected to the neck bone...

I'd like to see more integrated safety gear, just like (some) neck braces are designed to work with (some) chest protectors. I think that is truly the key to the "next step" in rider protection. A "safety protection system" of sorts. There's a few "gaps" in today's safety equipment.

I know of a few ideas floating around, so maybe we'll see some new products in the future that fully integrate with other safety components to help reduce the overall risk of injury.
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flyinb501 1/27/2013 7:06pm
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Vinyard wrote:
neck braces are a scam..there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE...
neck braces are a scam..there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE.

i didnt see the crash but Eli Tomac is a world class athelete and when you're at that level, your body can take hits that most mortals cannot.
Idiotic statement of the day. Congrats.
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Mikexxx 1/27/2013 7:11pm
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He twisted his knee up...did nt you see him grabbing it...I bet he is done for the season
Jordan421 1/27/2013 7:22pm
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GuyB wrote:
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE." Okay...
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE."

Okay, that's a Huffington post article that says he died of a head injury. I don't see a word in there about a neck brace.

I asked for data.
Vinyard wrote:
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually...
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually help I would be the first one to stand behind them, until then..it's just another marketing gimmick.
It dosnt matter if there is data or not, its just a piece of mind that matters. I have broke my neck before(C-2) and after coming back form the injury, i started to wear the Leatt. So when I ride now, i know I am wearing somehting that someone produce to lower the risk of neck injuries.
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Kbach 1/27/2013 7:29pm
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Mikexxx wrote:
He twisted his knee up...did nt you see him grabbing it...I bet he is done for the season
Eli's all good, no need to call his season done.
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GuyB wrote:
I think...you had a glorious two-day posting career.
But he had such informative posts....why ya gotta be so clip happy?! Smile
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activeMX wrote:
I stopped wearing a neck brace this past year because I realized I have yet to see ANY hard data by any of these companies or...
I stopped wearing a neck brace this past year because I realized I have yet to see ANY hard data by any of these companies or magazines supporting their claims.

Who's to say Canard's crash last year would have been better or worse had he not been wearing a Leatt? Of course Trey and Leatt are going to point out the brace as having been a savior to Trey but again there is no data supporting this idea. It's not like a Hans device in car racing where you can show very strong data to support the usage.

I feel more comfortable not wearing one, especially now that I have put all the BS "what if" thoughts out of my mind.
You really can't be serious.
Black Diesel Bomber 1/27/2013 7:36pm
1/27/2013 7:36pm
Jordan421 wrote:
It dosnt matter if there is data or not, its just a piece of mind that matters. I have broke my neck before(C-2) and after coming...
It dosnt matter if there is data or not, its just a piece of mind that matters. I have broke my neck before(C-2) and after coming back form the injury, i started to wear the Leatt. So when I ride now, i know I am wearing somehting that someone produce to lower the risk of neck injuries.
this was the point of my post....does the neck brace really lower the risk of neck injury? In Eli's case, I believe he was better off not wearing a neck brace for this particular crash. I think a neck brace might have limited his range of movement just enough to prevent his "tuck and roll" and could have resulted in a broken neck. It's all about the angle of impact I guess...
vanillaice782 1/27/2013 7:39pm
1/27/2013 7:39pm
The leatt brace limits the range of motion in your neck. How would this not HELP to prevent you from breaking your neck? This is a dangerous sport, people will always find ways to hurt themselves bad but if it prevents your neck from snapping its worth the investment.
vanillaice782 1/27/2013 7:50pm
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this was the point of my post....does the neck brace really lower the risk of neck injury? In Eli's case, I believe he was better off...
this was the point of my post....does the neck brace really lower the risk of neck injury? In Eli's case, I believe he was better off not wearing a neck brace for this particular crash. I think a neck brace might have limited his range of movement just enough to prevent his "tuck and roll" and could have resulted in a broken neck. It's all about the angle of impact I guess...
Do you really think he had any amount of control over what his body was doing when he was crashing? I watched it again and he didn't tuck at all because he was moving fast enough that he had no control over his body. If you pile drive into a whoop head first a leatt brace is going to give you a better chance of preventing your neck from bending enough to break.
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GuyB 1/27/2013 8:04pm
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Mikexxx wrote:
He twisted his knee up...did nt you see him grabbing it...I bet he is done for the season
Wow, so many doctors here.
Black Diesel Bomber 1/27/2013 8:05pm
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this was the point of my post....does the neck brace really lower the risk of neck injury? In Eli's case, I believe he was better off...
this was the point of my post....does the neck brace really lower the risk of neck injury? In Eli's case, I believe he was better off not wearing a neck brace for this particular crash. I think a neck brace might have limited his range of movement just enough to prevent his "tuck and roll" and could have resulted in a broken neck. It's all about the angle of impact I guess...
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Do you really think he had any amount of control over what his body was doing when he was crashing? I watched it again and he...
Do you really think he had any amount of control over what his body was doing when he was crashing? I watched it again and he didn't tuck at all because he was moving fast enough that he had no control over his body. If you pile drive into a whoop head first a leatt brace is going to give you a better chance of preventing your neck from bending enough to break.
No he didn't have control...I'm sorry you don't get the concept that a brace could have limited the full flexion of his neck (tuck/roll) which would have transferred more force to his neck directly from the top of his head, versus his neck bending to max flexion allowing his body to roll over the top. If you don't understand it's not worth trying to explain it. Maybe one of these photoshop wizards can draw up a sketch for you to illustrate this.
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GuyB 1/27/2013 8:06pm
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GuyB wrote:
I think...you had a glorious two-day posting career.
Kbach wrote:
But he had such informative posts....why ya gotta be so clip happy?! Smile
It's my version of STFU noob. Smile

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Black Diesel Bomber 1/27/2013 8:06pm
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Mikexxx wrote:
He twisted his knee up...did nt you see him grabbing it...I bet he is done for the season
GuyB wrote:
Wow, so many doctors here.
Hahaaha, to me it looked like he just banged it hard on his bike during his bounce....probably just really bruised and sore.
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jeffro503 1/27/2013 8:14pm
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GuyB wrote:
I think...you had a glorious two-day posting career.
Kbach wrote:
But he had such informative posts....why ya gotta be so clip happy?! Smile
GuyB wrote:
It's my version of STFU noob. Smile
Hey Steve....if you get a chance this week , is there any way that you could possibly talk to Eli or his team? In all seriousness.....the way Eli hit his head was really bad. Wasn't a slap of sorts....but a full on lawn dart type digger......it was not an easy thing to watch. My first thoughts were " Christ I hope his neck and spine are ok". I wish Eli the best....and hopefully we get to see him next week.
queen of spodes 1/27/2013 8:29pm
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Hey Steve....if you get a chance this week , is there any way that you could possibly talk to Eli or his team? In all seriousness.....the...
Hey Steve....if you get a chance this week , is there any way that you could possibly talk to Eli or his team? In all seriousness.....the way Eli hit his head was really bad. Wasn't a slap of sorts....but a full on lawn dart type digger......it was not an easy thing to watch. My first thoughts were " Christ I hope his neck and spine are ok". I wish Eli the best....and hopefully we get to see him next week.
x2 - seconded on the Tomac interview.
vanillaice782 1/27/2013 8:39pm
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No he didn't have control...I'm sorry you don't get the concept that a brace could have limited the full flexion of his neck (tuck/roll) which would...
No he didn't have control...I'm sorry you don't get the concept that a brace could have limited the full flexion of his neck (tuck/roll) which would have transferred more force to his neck directly from the top of his head, versus his neck bending to max flexion allowing his body to roll over the top. If you don't understand it's not worth trying to explain it. Maybe one of these photoshop wizards can draw up a sketch for you to illustrate this.
If there was enough force to do what you're describing then without a neck brace he would be worse off. The purpose of the brace is to prevent your neck from hyper extending. That is what it does. If his neck would of hyper extended the brace would limit the range of motion and likely prevented an injury. I'm sure there are diagrams that can draw this out for you.
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GuyB 1/27/2013 8:40pm
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I stopped by rhe GEICO Honda trailer and got a, "He's in a meeting. I went to catch RV, and when I got back, it was, "He left, but he's okay."
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MX45 1/27/2013 8:54pm
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"The purpose of the brace is to prevent your neck from hyper extending. That is what it does."

Umm, and compression. That is (also) what it is designed to do.
vanillaice782 1/27/2013 8:56pm
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Here's a picture of the spine. If it gets forced too far forward or back it breaks and so does your spinal chord. Anything that prevents your chin from being forced down into your rib cage is potentially life saving. I'm not saving it will save your life but it could in the right situation and wouldn't you rather increase your chance of survival. I feel like I'm arguing with a child on why they should wear their seat belt.
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Sweendoggy 1/27/2013 9:10pm
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You guys are silly. Nobody said every time you land on your head your neck will break, but to say a neck brace does more harm than good is silly. Bending is far worse than a straight compression stress (esp if the compression is limited as in the case of a neck brace) Why do you think it is easier to "bend" things back and forth to break them rather than just pull them apart? Try pulling a pencil apart, or pushing it til it breaks...now bend it and SNAP. Do they increase the amount of "shock" impact to the helmet due to not being able to "tuck," maybe but I don't buy it, but do they hurt the rider's neck more by keeping it straight? Probably not... I'm a mechanical engineer, not just blowing smoke outta my ass, tho yes I COULD be wrong, but I think I have more to back up my claim than you "neck braces have no proof" people.
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kongols 1/27/2013 9:14pm
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RCC104 wrote:
Just saw this on Facebook regarding the crash... neck brace or not, the 6D definitely appears to have come through: [b][i]6D Helmets Great news that Eli's...
Just saw this on Facebook regarding the crash... neck brace or not, the 6D definitely appears to have come through:

6D Helmets

Great news that Eli's helmet did its job last night in Oakland and he had no issues from the impact to his head. The team reported that they were very happy with the performance of the helmet and that it just saved their season! Eli commented that he was "very impressed with the impact absorption" of his 6D!

Ouch, that`s bad. It`s good he`s alright.
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Slow450 1/27/2013 9:36pm
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Mikexxx wrote:
He twisted his knee up...did nt you see him grabbing it...I bet he is done for the season
While no crash is the same, often times when I go over the bars one or both of my legs smacks the bars enroute. I also sometimes hit terrafirma with my legs when I crash. If I had a season ending injury every time I rubbed a body part after crashing there's no way I would ride. Crashing a dirt bike hurts, doesn't mean anything.
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drmarkr 1/27/2013 9:41pm
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GuyB wrote:
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE." Okay...
Your assertion is, "...there is no DATA TO PROVE THEY DO ANYTHING, IN FACT THEY PROBABLY DO MORE DAMAGE BY HOLDING THE NECK IN PLACE."

Okay, that's a Huffington post article that says he died of a head injury. I don't see a word in there about a neck brace.

I asked for data.
Vinyard wrote:
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually...
The fact that there is no data supporting what they're claiming is enough in of itself. If there is something to prove that they do actually help I would be the first one to stand behind them, until then..it's just another marketing gimmick.
You're quite the bright one, aren't you? Home schooled??
mynewcr250 1/27/2013 9:47pm
1/27/2013 9:47pm
man watching that guy hit the ground head first and then seeing him BOUNCE really lets you know how hard he hit. hope all is well with him, he's was on a roll.

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