Is Villopoto racing a Dirt bike faster than anybody ever has

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It seems like every year the Factory bikes keep getting Faster and Faster. Ryan Villopoto of Today would probably be quite a bit Faster on his 2013 Factory bike then he was on his 2011 SX Championship machine. James Stewart who was in a League of his own in 2008 aboard his Supercross Championship KXF450, would probably be quite a bit off the pace if he was going against todays competition with that bike. Just makes you wonder how fast the riders are going to be 5 years from now.
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RM127 1/19/2013 5:44pm
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IMO I am the opposite, I believe today's bikes aren't that much better than older bikes like we are lead to believe.

Examples:

- YZ250F. Virtually the same bike since 06 besides the frame. Which has had some top finishes the last couple years with Sipes against all FI bikes!

-RMZ450. Same generation since 2008.

-My '13 250sx really isn't that much better than my 07 RM250

-05 Top 3 riders smoked everyone with two strokes

-06 MC got some good finishes on a two stroke.

-IMO '13 CRF450 is a step back from '12.

-08 CRF450 is still rated as one of the best honda's.
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josh8811 1/19/2013 5:49pm
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RM127 wrote:
IMO I am the opposite, I believe today's bikes aren't that much better than older bikes like we are lead to believe. Examples: - YZ250F. Virtually...
IMO I am the opposite, I believe today's bikes aren't that much better than older bikes like we are lead to believe.

Examples:

- YZ250F. Virtually the same bike since 06 besides the frame. Which has had some top finishes the last couple years with Sipes against all FI bikes!

-RMZ450. Same generation since 2008.

-My '13 250sx really isn't that much better than my 07 RM250

-05 Top 3 riders smoked everyone with two strokes

-06 MC got some good finishes on a two stroke.

-IMO '13 CRF450 is a step back from '12.

-08 CRF450 is still rated as one of the best honda's.
Agree...

OP... Look at the times of the 250F riders.. the 450's arent much faster..

It's riders that have pushed the speeds to where they are today.
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mx317 1/19/2013 6:07pm
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You don't think the suspension is better?
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RM127 1/19/2013 6:32pm
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You don't think the suspension is better?
That has been one of the improvements but its still minutely better.

Especial at the production level, the 06 sss suspension is still considered one of the best. With the air forks now, we will have to see how they compare.

I was more talking about the bikes as a whole. Its a give and take theory. They have gain power but so has weight. They say they handle better but the ergo are bigger and weird. They say the suspension is better but the weight cancels it out. Reliability is going up and down with certain bikes.

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toroP 1/19/2013 6:57pm
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THE_NOOB wrote:
It seems like every year the Factory bikes keep getting Faster and Faster. Ryan Villopoto of Today would probably be quite a bit Faster on his...
It seems like every year the Factory bikes keep getting Faster and Faster. Ryan Villopoto of Today would probably be quite a bit Faster on his 2013 Factory bike then he was on his 2011 SX Championship machine. James Stewart who was in a League of his own in 2008 aboard his Supercross Championship KXF450, would probably be quite a bit off the pace if he was going against todays competition with that bike. Just makes you wonder how fast the riders are going to be 5 years from now.
James 2008 Champ? You mean 2007, right?

2008, James was in league of his own, his home couch league.Wink
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I also think that even though they are probably not making more HP, it is probably better power than before. The tires are also getting better and better, but not huge gains overall with the bike. It is most likely the riders getting better as the biggest factor.
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RM127 1/19/2013 7:11pm
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I also think that even though they are probably not making more HP, it is probably better power than before. The tires are also getting better...
I also think that even though they are probably not making more HP, it is probably better power than before. The tires are also getting better and better, but not huge gains overall with the bike. It is most likely the riders getting better as the biggest factor.
Tires....

From what I have heard Bridgestones were the best by far. They dropped out a couple years ago. Dunlop came in and sucked for awhile. Now maybe they are the same level that bridgestones were.....
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The 4 strokes have definitely allowed the rider to push further than they have ever been able to. You can do things on a 250f and 450 that you couldn't do on a 2 stroke in my opinion.
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THE_NOOB wrote:
It seems like every year the Factory bikes keep getting Faster and Faster. Ryan Villopoto of Today would probably be quite a bit Faster on his...
It seems like every year the Factory bikes keep getting Faster and Faster. Ryan Villopoto of Today would probably be quite a bit Faster on his 2013 Factory bike then he was on his 2011 SX Championship machine. James Stewart who was in a League of his own in 2008 aboard his Supercross Championship KXF450, would probably be quite a bit off the pace if he was going against todays competition with that bike. Just makes you wonder how fast the riders are going to be 5 years from now.
if you combine missing more races due to injury i'd say yer right
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Hando 1/21/2013 3:43pm
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the drugs/healthcare side of it is getting better.

The bikes do get a bit better each year, maybe in terms of weight savings..
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Results, Results. Lap Times.To bad there was no fixed track. No Changes in 30 years, then we will know.
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I woulda said the generation was back to the 90s bikes, and I'll tell you all day about how my 92 RM125 was better than my 80s trails bikes, my 2003 CRF450 made that thing feel like it rode and handled like a spode, my 2006 KTM300 is so much nicer than the CRF and my brother's RMZ450 turns better than all of them!

Forgive my punctuation!

I do think the 2005 thing is just the best guys were on the two strokes, truth be told they went to 450s the next year and the results didn't change.

Really you have to look at the bikes themselves... Watch RV go across the table to table to double to triple section at A2... 250s couldn't have done that. Not possible. They woulda got across the tables, but that 2nd little hump before the triple wouldn't have been an option...

Same with the triple to triple onto table on the other straight. Not happening on a 2 stroke.

the 450s right now are ridiculous
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ford832 1/22/2013 6:38am
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You can debate the bikes but right now imo,RV is the new RC-and the "Fastest Man on the Planet"Smile
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I think RV has a crazy style where he rides the rear tire and it gets him extra bits of traction...I am also going on a limb here but he never did much amateur and then once pro he was instantly better than mike A and many others...is this somehow related to the 4 stroke, his crazy riding style and moving up and racing a 250f rather than an 80 or 125?

Just pure speculatiion opn my part but it was quite the transformation from getting his ass kicked week in and out by MA to smoking him every time-
mototed 82 1/22/2013 6:58am
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imo the progress is much more of a benefit in the 250 class , 450 not so much , maybe due to slightly better weight and handling they can go faster for longer though
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There's no doubt for me that RV#2 is the fastest rider on the planet.

But you can't compare RV#2 speed in 2013 to RC#4 speed ten years ago, for example. In 2013, tracks and bikes are faster than in 2000...

I think there're on the same level.
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Top End 1/22/2013 7:20am
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"Is Villopoto racing a Dirt bike faster than anybody ever has"

The Tomac Attack looks just as fast. The way he was riding last week was just jaw dropping.
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BD233 1/22/2013 7:23am
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450's and 250's are almost identical in supercross. I mean you only use 1/3 throttle on a 450 in SX. Motocross.... the 450 shines, but more speed equals more devastating crashes. IDK if the faster bikes are good or bad for the sport. Watching the guys pinned at Pala over the sand rollers is scary as hell. Poto is going about as fast as you can...no doubt.

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Outsider 1/22/2013 7:31am
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A better question would be, what would happen if RC and RV raced each other at the same point in their careers? I think they're pretty even but RC more consistent. That would be something to see!
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TDeath21 1/22/2013 7:47am
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In my opinion, Villopoto is basically Carmichael with a lot of injuries.
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450's and 250's are almost identical in supercross. I mean you only use 1/3 throttle on a 450 in SX. Motocross.... the 450 shines, but more...
450's and 250's are almost identical in supercross. I mean you only use 1/3 throttle on a 450 in SX. Motocross.... the 450 shines, but more speed equals more devastating crashes. IDK if the faster bikes are good or bad for the sport. Watching the guys pinned at Pala over the sand rollers is scary as hell. Poto is going about as fast as you can...no doubt.
the guys on the 250f's this year were going almost as fast as the 450's during the outdoors. i think the 450 is almost a waste for the pro's.
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rcm406 1/22/2013 7:56am
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I still say pure speed, Stewart still is and was the fastest. I mean, he close to RV's times right now with a torn ACL. I will say James in 2007 was the fastest I've seen anyone go on a SX track and in 2006 RC and James was the fastest I've seen on a MX track and yes I've seen everyone race up close and personal.
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Cook441 1/22/2013 8:00am
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A better question would be, what would happen if RC and RV raced each other at the same point in their careers? I think they're pretty...
A better question would be, what would happen if RC and RV raced each other at the same point in their careers? I think they're pretty even but RC more consistent. That would be something to see!
I think you nailed it....RC was always able to find the speed no matter who challenged (including arguably the fastest man on the planet)...it wasnt always pretty but he did it.... the clinker is he would get up from Damn near anything and still comeback and not only finish the race but damn near win it....He won every outdoors championship he signed up...thats two 30 minute motos all summer long for ten years...matter of fact was Glen Helen shoulder injury battling James when he didn't need to the only DNF? Animal pure animal no I'd say RV is hauling for a number of reasons but RC was the fastest dude on two wheels over that ten year period-
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Cook441 1/22/2013 8:02am
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I still say pure speed, Stewart still is and was the fastest. I mean, he close to RV's times right now with a torn ACL. I...
I still say pure speed, Stewart still is and was the fastest. I mean, he close to RV's times right now with a torn ACL. I will say James in 2007 was the fastest I've seen anyone go on a SX track and in 2006 RC and James was the fastest I've seen on a MX track and yes I've seen everyone race up close and personal.
not outdoors my friend it was RC outdoors It doesnt matter the year shoot he was leading the series when he retired...Smile Indoors 2007 prolly right...but these kids are hauling these days too partly becuse of the progression that James lead with his scrubbalicous ways
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I think last year, RV and Reed were the fastest we've ever seen. I don't think RV is back to that level yet though (and neither is Reed obviously).
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Cook441 1/22/2013 8:29am
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I think last year, RV and Reed were the fastest we've ever seen. I don't think RV is back to that level yet though (and neither...
I think last year, RV and Reed were the fastest we've ever seen. I don't think RV is back to that level yet though (and neither is Reed obviously).
Indoors I think that James's scrub completed the last little bit of tenths you could squeeze outta a track, CR was able to pick up the scrub easier than RC thats why RC was 3 tenths off many times...outdoors is different I remeber James trying to scrub a jump on RC and he just old school pinned it flat landed and took the win. There should almost be two threads indoor and out...last year Reed and RV were hauling the mail but once again I think these guys are all just riding as fast as the track will allow which is in a huge part James's invention/discovery of tenths shaved.

I do think on certain tracks (like the slippery one at A2...RV's style of stearing with the rear gives him a tenth here or there and the guys leaning on the front are slightly disadvantaged..my 2 cents
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Derpin' DJ 1/22/2013 9:27am
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KDub said on the pulpmx show last night that Villopoto has the quickest corner speed he has ever seen. That's gotta be saying something
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Of course they're faster....

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Derpin' DJ wrote:
KDub said on the pulpmx show last night that Villopoto has the quickest corner speed he has ever seen. That's gotta be saying something
that's a pretty damn good compliment.

reminds me of when RC said James was going as fast as possible the year he retired.

times change.

RV is easily the fastest RIGHT NOW and within the last few years. people saying that James is STILL the fastest is pure comedy.

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