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But enough with the jibber jabber, this is my question. GuyB, Mattes, DC, and most every other industry guy do yall just not like two strokes?
I asked Chad Reed about them at an autograph session he said they were a thing of the past and four strokes were where it's at. I just get this vibe of negativity towards the two stroke in the industry.
It has been interesting to see Hyundai grow in Aus. The first car of theirs that I really remember was the Excel, they were cheap, super cheap compared to the cars in the same market for their time.
People in Aus were skeptical at first, but before long they were everywhere, cheap and proving to be reliable. Now the brand has a massive foothold in Aus, supplying cars to suit nearly every market. The Toyota Hiace once was the choice of Van for Aus MX Riders, it is quickly changing to the Hyundai iload over here.
Maybe a bike company out of Korea will be the company that steps up and follows KTM's line of thought and supplies MX bikes to suit everyone's likes, both two and four stroke, MX and Enduro/Trail.
If you don't have the money to purchase it and FIX it, DONT BUY IT. Go buy a CHEAPER two stroke and be happy. But most people want what is brand new just because they saw someone else with it. Not the factories fault you don't have the funds to fix and maintain your luxury item. There are cheaper options and you do have a choice to buy what you want.
I think its stupid for folks to argue the whole let it be equal displacement. Who cares? Do you think they fastest guys would even ride a two stroke? NOPE. They get paid to ride what their team supplies them, which is supplied by factory. And lets face it, four strokes are faster and an all around better bike. Tough for some to think of but its true.
What the Pros race doesn't determine what the public buys. Buy more two strokes and you will see what that does to the manufactures. Look at KTM in recent years.
I would love to see a two stroke series but we shouldn't change everything we have now just to accommodate it.
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The biggest blame would have to be on the general public and what they have purchased. They want whats fast and easy to ride. You can call it lazy but the public will always go with what the new hip thing is. And at the current moment four strokes are the best bikes to go fast on.
But your post above that about not needing equal displacement I don't agree with. Ok, say we end up with equal displacement and a Yamaha or KTM team comes along riding 2strokes...ya there is almost 0% chance they'll win right away (because no big names will ride for them) but then they develop the bike and spend much less on racing costs (compared to the 250f volatile rocketship motors) and have more and more money to play with and get good riders. Those good riders that end up on the bike could easily smoke the field.
Bottom line, racing could still be going on and amateurs could still be racing and spending a lot less to get out there and do it. It would benefit the entire industry all the way back to Japan and Austria. Not everyone is in to some taliban conspiracy shit, the current 4strokes are great bikes to go fast on but was it a good move? An actual step forward? I say no.
Pro teams spend more money, amateurs go from 80cc bikes to 250fs, etc...
problem solved
im not a fan of 4-strokes but the 450s aren't that bad..its the 250s that are killin the sport'
I dont agree.
What advances has the 4 st engine made, more hp and torque sure, but what else?
The Yam 250f engine is how old?
Maybe you see trick stuff from the pits, but I dont see it.
Just asking the obvious question. Don't expect an answer, though.
This.
How many top-ends can you do for $2100? A new piston every 25 hours using good fuel (we use 98 octane, 1:40), $150 per rebuild? Thats 14 top-ends for 350 hours of riding.
If you buy a second hand 2 stroke it will be cheaper after some TLC rather than a 4 stroke, which costs more.
I don't think anyone could have planned for how grossly the 4s would be marketed and take over, when the YZ400 began. It didn't take long to see the writing on the wall though, and the AMA jumped on board by changing the rules again to favor the 4s.
I wonder sometimes why MXA publishes some of this stuff, since they aren't fully committed to the 2-stroke cause. Either way, they have strengthened the 2stroke base and have helped sway some readers with their comments. MXA simply cannot be taken seriously.
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I love a good 450, but I can't do my own pistons or valves. Yeah I could go buy tools and hopefully not make a mistake putting it back together, but I never have.
I have regressed to a pair of 03 CR 250's and doing my own work again. I really like having the light weight underneath me again. My decision was a money based one, and I'm glad I did it.
New bikes are amazing, and if I was a rich guy I'd have a 10K bike, but I'm not, so it's back to what I can afford to maintain, ride and race. These 2 stroke 250's still give me my moto fix, and it feels good to hold a bike WFO again.
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I believe Jody put it this way too...
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