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I think for me and my riding style, a years racing on either would be close cost wise. I am not a revver and I am easy on my bikes. Barring a blown motor, I think the cost is close for me anyway.
I ride off road, so for me, i prefer a 2T on a tight technical course and a 4T on a faster more open trail.
Now, a 400CC 2T would be something to look at IMO.
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/MXA-HUSQVARNA-FOCUSES-ON-…
He even went back and edited most of his posts to try and cover his tracks a little without looking too obvious.
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#1. KTM 300 xc
#2. KTM 300xcw
#3. KTM 250 sx
#4. KTM 350 sxf
#5. YZ 250
#7.KTM 250 xc
#8 KX 250f
#9 KX450f
***RMZ 250's have been poplular this season too...we just got them 2 weeks ago and have sold 3.....
Until we drop the price of the Japan bikes, the KTMs sell more than all 3 Jap brands combined, Kawi now leads the way in Jap stuff,and it's what I currently ride......
My next bike will be a 150 sx BTW
Really, you think that the average rider out there, the C grade rider and rec riders have ZERO point of reference in the debate about two and four stroke bikes ? Your serious about that.
The actual demographic that purchases the majority of bikes?
For the average bloke a four stroke is easier to ride than a two stroke. For the average bloke changing oil once or twice a month and filling up with fuel straight from the bowser is easier than pre mixing two stroke on the go, every time you ride.
As you agree with for the average person, C grader and Rec rider 100 hours would be achievable from either.
These are the target for the manufactures, Pro Racers and Top Amateur racers will ride what ever they have to, to be competitive and the bikes they race as still in a lot of regards, worlds away from what we purchase and are ridden at the limit. They have no care for how long an engine lasts, it is not their concern.
The guys who the cc V cc two V four debate really affects is the fast amateur with no support and probably a lot of B grade Amature racers. That is the demographic where the 250F really hurts people, not so much a 450, I would be surprised if there were many B rider who could ride a 450 at the rev limit for long!
But then again can you not ride a 250 two stroke against 250Fs in Amateur racing in the U.S ? So really the whole debate is a waste of time.
Two strokes and four strokes can both be purchased both new and used, they can be ridden and raced against each other in every class of racing apart from AMA Pro.
Sure some manufactures do not build them any more, but hey, pick another color and move on.
Ride what you want.
I have an orange 350 Four Stroke and a Yellow 250F, thinking myself of selling up the 250F and getting a 125 or 250 two stroke, type of bike I ride does not bother me as long as I am having fun.
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Did that sum this BS up?
Meanwhile average Joe goes to track with whatever, but maybe with a lesser feeling he's connected to racing, which kind of makes weekend riding/racing a bit less as an experience?
Something is fucked up, and nothing points in a sane direction (for me at least)...
Kerry Hook. Man could that guy fly a bike with style. Fearless. The more cold beer and pizza he ate during the day, the harder it was to catch him. Lol.
The goon in pursuit on my shiny new 94.
How stupid does that shit sound NOW?
Screw the production rule and replace if with a production% rule. Your homologation number should be based on a percentage of your sales not a flat rate at 500 (or is it 400?). That away manufacturers like TM, Aprilia, Husqvarna, Gas Gas, Husaberg, Beta and others can meet a realistic homologation number and still race. That would allow production of two strokes in smaller numbers also meaning the Japanese won't have to make HUGE productions runs on them. Of course, they will if they sell like hot cakes.
Anyone ever notice they never made a smaller casing with a bigger bang, or is it just me?
They are already putting a little dent in the road bike market, and support racing.
sounds crazy, but it sounded crazy when a "piano manufacturer" in Japan made an MX bike to compete with the European brands. Hell, the first Suzuki MX bike was a CZ clone. It just takes your average motocross redneck a little longer to adapt to change.
I rented and an Elantra 3 years ago, and I was impressed. Good solid car and drove nicely. Went like like a bat out hell too. Not that I EVER had it over the speed limit.
seen the hyundai genesis? rear wheel drive, 6 speed, leather, brembo brakes, turbo, 250+hp for under 25K.
Someone post the "meanwhile in Japan" photo...
From what I remember, I edited two posts after you had responded. I changed "so many" to "several" in one, and I removed the word "all" from another. I was not trying to cover my tracks, but simply trying to make my point clearer, because you had misinterpreted what I meant.
I am not a "four stroke lover" by any means. I have gone back and forth between two and four strokes a few times and accept that both bikes have their own strengths and weaknesses. I also think they each have a place in the sport, at least at the amateur level. I have stated before that I support most of your two stroke philosophies. I just feel that a lot of the negativity people express towards four strokes on this board is unwarranted and a lot of the time untrue.
Arguing over the Internet is stupid, so I think we should put this little pissing contest to bed. As I said in that other thread, we have both made our points. We are never going to change each other’s mind, so should agree to disagree and move on.
I think some need to remember that Kawasaki, Suzuki and Honda are running businesses, not services to the sport of motocross. I understand why some think these manufacturers are shooting themselves (and the sport) in the foot long term (and I agree with this myself to a certain extent), but they all continued to produce two strokes after releasing their four stroke models. After a few years they stopped, which I can only assume was because they were not selling and it didn't make financial sense to continue. Maybe it is time they re-evaluated this decision, but, personally, I do not really know.
I often feel that the “general tone” of the board makes out the entire motocross community hates four strokes and ride them only because they are all that is available and because it is necessary to be competitive under the current rule structure. I realise some feel this way, but when I am at the track, at least, it seems most are happy with the bike they have elected to ride and have few complaints. Maybe I am wrong, but I would guess that is the case throughout the motocross community at large.
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