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11/21/2012 9:18am
Now we know why freestyle mx was created.....
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11/21/2012 9:25am
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Millsaps' mom made me rage so hard I wanted to punch a hole in the wall. She makes Tony Alessi look like Gandhi. -Grabbing riders by...
Millsaps' mom made me rage so hard I wanted to punch a hole in the wall. She makes Tony Alessi look like Gandhi.

-Grabbing riders by their chin guard, telling them they suck.
-Telling a crying 12 year old that some nonsense on the track is going to make him a better rider.
-Telling a 65cc rider to huck a triple that most big bikes wouldn't hit and feeling good about it.

I have no doubt that she has played a big part in Davi's succes, but MY GOD, do I understand that Davi doesn't want to talk to that woman at this point.
You know who Gandhi is? You were obviously not home schooled Tongue (Bring it on, Home Schoolers!)
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I am curious as to the "success rate of The MTF & other training facilities? How many Pro champions have they created? Wouldn't that be the true litmus test of whether they are a good place to send a rider?...............................
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That was a great episode!

That being said the only reason this is a topic is because it is his mom...mothers are suppose to be nurturing, affectionate, loving, tell you your doing a great job when you suck..etc...clearly after their divorce she had to take on the roll of provider, father, and mother. Probably not much time for her to be a mother. She became a motivator, driver, enforcer....

The part where he has not made sure his mother has seen her grandchild is really f-ed up and for that I blame Davi....put aside the hard feelings, or whatever the petty bullshit..

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11/21/2012 10:18am
I was kind of hoping they would talk more about all of Davi's health issues over the years. They talked about it in the teaser but the whole episode was just about his moto-mom instead. I think they showed the same footage of her over and over with a different voice-over.
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11/21/2012 10:19am
Fearo wrote:
Millsaps' mom made me rage so hard I wanted to punch a hole in the wall. She makes Tony Alessi look like Gandhi. -Grabbing riders by...
Millsaps' mom made me rage so hard I wanted to punch a hole in the wall. She makes Tony Alessi look like Gandhi.

-Grabbing riders by their chin guard, telling them they suck.
-Telling a crying 12 year old that some nonsense on the track is going to make him a better rider.
-Telling a 65cc rider to huck a triple that most big bikes wouldn't hit and feeling good about it.

I have no doubt that she has played a big part in Davi's succes, but MY GOD, do I understand that Davi doesn't want to talk to that woman at this point.
I expected much worse after watching the episode. Other sports are much much harder on kids. I'm not saying its right but she's tame compared to football-hockey coaches and parents.
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11/21/2012 12:26pm
Tracktor wrote:
I am curious as to the "success rate of The MTF & other training facilities? How many Pro champions have they created? Wouldn't that be the...
I am curious as to the "success rate of The MTF & other training facilities? How many Pro champions have they created? Wouldn't that be the true litmus test of whether they are a good place to send a rider?...............................
Barcia, although I believe he bailed before he won his first pro title...... Not for nothing though, how many different pro champions have there been since they started that? You could argue that Carmichael had his own facility and mom doing the training. Are you going to count him? Didn't they help train Dungey? I think its a great idea and concept except for the fact that was brought up in the first episode, if you mortgage your future on motocross stardom, what do you fall back on when it doesnt work, which in 99.95% of the time it doesn't........

The ski academy's produce very few Olympic champions but most of the kids that go there and train, go on to good colleges and get an education in the process. Facilities like MTF need a school component like that to really work, but it doesn't seem to be a big deal to the families who chase the dream....
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11/21/2012 12:43pm
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Villo was constantly beat by 800 as an amateur. Something always overlooked when giving the rider limitations type speeches.
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Villo was also consistently younger as an amateur. When you watch kids grow up, it's comical that people think of a 14 year old kid as...
Villo was also consistently younger as an amateur. When you watch kids grow up, it's comical that people think of a 14 year old kid as a fully developed adult. Some kids grow up a little faster, others a little slower. Motocross and gymnastics are the only two sports I can think of that treat 13 to 16 year old children as if they were adult, professional athletes and place the entire family's fortunes on their shoulders. It's pathetic and sick.

This sport needs to grow a pair and tell riders that they can't turn pro until they're 18 and that's all there is to it. Quit wimping out about it. Give these CHILDREN a chance to grow up at some sort of normal pace. And if you want a textbook example of how bad things go with acclaimed amateur "next greatest thing" riders' lives, you don't have to look any farther than the rider you mentioned. Mike Alessi was the can't-miss rider of the decade, and I'll bet he's barely making a living in the sport today.

I remember one National in '01 when David Bailey talked about that. He said he thought riders would actually become better at their sport if they started a little later. He said, "I'm getting a little tired of seeing 5 year olds riding out of semis at Loretta's".
18 and High School Diploma before a fresh rider lines up in a professional supercross or motocross race.
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11/21/2012 12:47pm
I'm wondering if Troy got or at least tried to get Jason Lawrence to do one of these episodes this season....that would be pretty awesome to see him featured on the season finale.
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11/21/2012 1:31pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 1:34pm
I only met Coach Wooden once, he was walking across the street in Encino on his way to church. All I could think to say was "Hey Coach". He replied, "Morning boy's". I never played Basketball, but I always admired his coaching style.

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11/21/2012 2:12pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 2:13pm
I coached soccer for 12 years. I guess I was doing it all wrong.
There is soo much win in this...

All is far in love and war... and football you are at war.

Fuck setting a example, brawl it out and show who is really the winner!

Not being sarcastic either, sometimes people just need to fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkdGfqFMv0w&feature=player_embedded

(it didnt let me quote the video)
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Great post, thanks stillwelding, Coach Wooden one of if not the greatest coach of all time, an admirable and inspirational man.
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11/21/2012 2:30pm
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Now we know why freestyle mx was created.....
Kid's rebelling against their parents, while still being able to ride for a living. Haha.

I wanted to say, I'm not totally a product of this insane system, but in a smaller way I was. Before I did FMX from 2000 until today, I raced professionally for 2 years. Getting to that point, my dad spent most of his inheritance from his father who passed, and sacrificed so much time and energy to get me to the point where I could make a living at this. There was many times during my amateur racing when I could not stand my dad, for the usual mini parent reasons.

Now that I'm 31, and can look back...I'm just now going to start school and work towards a career. Which most kids did just after high school, and it's pretty overwhelming. I did get to see and experience a lot of the world. But don't have anything financially to really show for my MX career. The bottom line is, there are days I wish my dad would have just been like, you know what, I'm better off putting my money towards your education, than your racing. I wouldn't be stuck 10 years behind.

But I think the parents love it more than the kids, most times.
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To clear some things up:
The dad walked out and left them to fend for themselves. The dad is not in the picture of the daughter and that is the main issue between her and Davi. If you have ever talked to the man, you know why. He has a relationship with Davi because Davi is "famous." He does not treat his other son well either. There is way more to this story that both sides, out of respect for each other, did not go into, so people should take the show as it is and not think too much into it. Colleen worked VERY hard to get her kids where they are today. She has one kid as a top pro, another in med school, and the youngest is one of the nicest kids ever. Her tough love I am sure caused issues with her kids, but it obviously sets them on the right path for life. Say what you will, but 3/3 kids turning out like that...5/5 if you count Martin and Bryan who she also helped raise, is almost unheard of, especially given the hand they were dealt. She still lives in a barn. She made sure her kids never went without while she did. If you have ever met her, you know this is true.

As for her training technique: you try to keep teenage boys with raging testosterone and IQs of Forrest Gump in-line. You have to be tough on them. Also, people say she is a hardass. She is, but she is the first one to take in a kid who does not have money and she does free camps to military people and camps for benefits. You ask any kid who has been to MTF what they think of her, then you can determine whether she is too tough. They have incredible respect for her, and it is not out of fear, it is out of admiration of how she transforms them into a better rider and a better person. You can't go off a show. That is like saying The Situation from Jersey Shore is actually a chick magnet. She may have grabbed that kid's helmate, but when he did the start right she gave him a huge pat on the back and he felt great about himself.

As for MTF, Colleen is very adamant that the kids get home-schooled. She has build a classroom and has a full-time tutor. She corrects their English 24/7 and makes them disciplined. She is always looking for ways to enhance their education as much as possible, but come on... do you really think any of those kids, with a few exceptions, are going to go to college? To ride motocross you have to be borderline mentally challenged and have ADHD out the butt! This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back and do that if they don't make it. It is the honest truth. There is nothing wrong with blue collar, they make the world go round. At least they have learned what dedication and hard work mean.

I would have taken the challenge to punch Davi. Every boy should know how to fight. How else are they supposed to protect their women and their wallet (not women from their wallet...well maybe)? If you do not know how to fight, you are not a real man.
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This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back and do that if they don't make it. It is the honest truth. There is nothing wrong with blue collar, they make the world go round. At least they have learned what dedication and hard work mean.

besides the rest of the silliness in your post, this is where you lost me. if you truly feel that way then you are part of the reason of the "every rider can be a Villopoto if they put their mind to it" mentality.

"teenage boys with raging testosterone and IQ of Forrest Gump"
that is the exact problem with forcing kids into amateur racing and out of school. what a fucking farce.

congrats.
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[b]This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back...
This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back and do that if they don't make it. It is the honest truth. There is nothing wrong with blue collar, they make the world go round. At least they have learned what dedication and hard work mean.

besides the rest of the silliness in your post, this is where you lost me. if you truly feel that way then you are part of the reason of the "every rider can be a Villopoto if they put their mind to it" mentality.

"teenage boys with raging testosterone and IQ of Forrest Gump"
that is the exact problem with forcing kids into amateur racing and out of school. what a fucking farce.

congrats.
oh please. It was an exaggeration meant to be funny. Not everyone can be a Villopoto, but if you do not try how do you know? Not too many kids are forced into racing. They love it. All I was saying is that MTF encourages education. You can always go back to school. Your body can't take motocross forever. I am sorry if you did not find the humor in the post. I have been around these boys all my life, more than most. I am just speaking from experience. Sorry if I offended you, but I was just trying to show a different perspective and clear up some questions people had about the background of MTF and the family.
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11/21/2012 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 3:45pm
To clear some things up: The dad walked out and left them to fend for themselves. The dad is not in the picture of the daughter...
To clear some things up:
The dad walked out and left them to fend for themselves. The dad is not in the picture of the daughter and that is the main issue between her and Davi. If you have ever talked to the man, you know why. He has a relationship with Davi because Davi is "famous." He does not treat his other son well either. There is way more to this story that both sides, out of respect for each other, did not go into, so people should take the show as it is and not think too much into it. Colleen worked VERY hard to get her kids where they are today. She has one kid as a top pro, another in med school, and the youngest is one of the nicest kids ever. Her tough love I am sure caused issues with her kids, but it obviously sets them on the right path for life. Say what you will, but 3/3 kids turning out like that...5/5 if you count Martin and Bryan who she also helped raise, is almost unheard of, especially given the hand they were dealt. She still lives in a barn. She made sure her kids never went without while she did. If you have ever met her, you know this is true.

As for her training technique: you try to keep teenage boys with raging testosterone and IQs of Forrest Gump in-line. You have to be tough on them. Also, people say she is a hardass. She is, but she is the first one to take in a kid who does not have money and she does free camps to military people and camps for benefits. You ask any kid who has been to MTF what they think of her, then you can determine whether she is too tough. They have incredible respect for her, and it is not out of fear, it is out of admiration of how she transforms them into a better rider and a better person. You can't go off a show. That is like saying The Situation from Jersey Shore is actually a chick magnet. She may have grabbed that kid's helmate, but when he did the start right she gave him a huge pat on the back and he felt great about himself.

As for MTF, Colleen is very adamant that the kids get home-schooled. She has build a classroom and has a full-time tutor. She corrects their English 24/7 and makes them disciplined. She is always looking for ways to enhance their education as much as possible, but come on... do you really think any of those kids, with a few exceptions, are going to go to college? To ride motocross you have to be borderline mentally challenged and have ADHD out the butt! This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back and do that if they don't make it. It is the honest truth. There is nothing wrong with blue collar, they make the world go round. At least they have learned what dedication and hard work mean.

I would have taken the challenge to punch Davi. Every boy should know how to fight. How else are they supposed to protect their women and their wallet (not women from their wallet...well maybe)? If you do not know how to fight, you are not a real man.
"To ride motocross you have to be borderline mentally challenged and have ADHD out the butt!"

I have to disagree with many of the points you have tried to make. Although I have no issues with what I saw from Colleen. I had pee wee football coached worse and my mom always told me if it isn't broken, either to bike or you, you better finish or we are done.
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Feel bad for Davi with that Budds Creek crash. That section is sick. If you misstime it, you really get pounded. It's just such a deep chasm. It's not so bad if you're at C class speed, but at pro speed it's just nasty.
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You can disagree. That is fine! I have worked with these kids and grew up with them. When I say mentally challenged I mean things like kayaking off roof into a pool. As for ADHD... that is undeniable!! PeeWee Coaches are way worse. They are out for themselves because they look good if the team does good. They are out for the win, not the well-being and development of each player. In motocross, the coach does not really matter unless you are talking about Eldon and trainers like that. Most of the motocross coaches honestly want the best for each rider, not the glory that is in for themselves (although there ARE exceptions.... BIG ones.)
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Torco1 wrote:
I'm wondering if Troy got or at least tried to get Jason Lawrence to do one of these episodes this season....that would be pretty awesome to...
I'm wondering if Troy got or at least tried to get Jason Lawrence to do one of these episodes this season....that would be pretty awesome to see him featured on the season finale.
oh man that would be brilliant
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Feel bad for Davi with that Budds Creek crash. That section is sick. If you misstime it, you really get pounded. It's just such a deep...
Feel bad for Davi with that Budds Creek crash. That section is sick. If you misstime it, you really get pounded. It's just such a deep chasm. It's not so bad if you're at C class speed, but at pro speed it's just nasty.
He is going to kill it this season. So excited to see him back on a Suzuki. He is killing it in the whoops again. He is going to be so fun to watch this season if he can stay healthy!
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That was a great episode! That being said the only reason this is a topic is because it is his mom...mothers are suppose to be nurturing...
That was a great episode!

That being said the only reason this is a topic is because it is his mom...mothers are suppose to be nurturing, affectionate, loving, tell you your doing a great job when you suck..etc...clearly after their divorce she had to take on the roll of provider, father, and mother. Probably not much time for her to be a mother. She became a motivator, driver, enforcer....

The part where he has not made sure his mother has seen her grandchild is really f-ed up and for that I blame Davi....put aside the hard feelings, or whatever the petty bullshit..
yep unfortunately for Davi he lost both parents when they divorced

but we don't know all the details so maybe the bullshit isn't petty... but yeah it kinda seems like he's holding the kid for an emotional ransom.. but again I don't know the details
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11/21/2012 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 11/21/2012 4:18pm
oh please. It was an exaggeration meant to be funny. Not everyone can be a Villopoto, but if you do not try how do you know...
oh please. It was an exaggeration meant to be funny. Not everyone can be a Villopoto, but if you do not try how do you know? Not too many kids are forced into racing. They love it. All I was saying is that MTF encourages education. You can always go back to school. Your body can't take motocross forever. I am sorry if you did not find the humor in the post. I have been around these boys all my life, more than most. I am just speaking from experience. Sorry if I offended you, but I was just trying to show a different perspective and clear up some questions people had about the background of MTF and the family.
it takes a lot to offend me and you did not. also, i am the first to pick up humor and i didn't find any in that post.

as i wrote on the second page, sure the kid "wants" to race and be a champ, but the parent's are responsible for their well being. taking them out of school and taking out multiple mortgages to go racing and hope little junior is the next RV is not the best lesson in life a kid can learn. and when it comes time to quit and go to school... have fun paying those school loans because you sure as shit didn't earn a scholarship being home-schooled at In-Your-Dreams-Raceway. then again, maybe that over-supportive parent will take out another mortgage to pay for Junior's college degree...

my .02

ps... nothing but respect to the riders/families that do make it, it takes a lot to get there. unfortunately, there are massive amounts of families that realize to late that it isn't going to happen.
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I think it's crucial for racers to maintain education. Let's get real- it's a hardscrabble world.Travis Pastrana found time to get a college education. He's a guy who has had a full schedule for some time now.

Millsaps says he was overwhelmed by his Mom wanting too much. I can understand that, but I also try and picture Ryan Dungey making that same statement. I can't see Dungey saying too much had been expected of him..
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it takes a lot to offend me and you did not. also, i am the first to pick up humor and i didn't find any in...
it takes a lot to offend me and you did not. also, i am the first to pick up humor and i didn't find any in that post.

as i wrote on the second page, sure the kid "wants" to race and be a champ, but the parent's are responsible for their well being. taking them out of school and taking out multiple mortgages to go racing and hope little junior is the next RV is not the best lesson in life a kid can learn. and when it comes time to quit and go to school... have fun paying those school loans because you sure as shit didn't earn a scholarship being home-schooled at In-Your-Dreams-Raceway. then again, maybe that over-supportive parent will take out another mortgage to pay for Junior's college degree...

my .02

ps... nothing but respect to the riders/families that do make it, it takes a lot to get there. unfortunately, there are massive amounts of families that realize to late that it isn't going to happen.
exactly go to a school and ask kids what they want to do for a job and most will probably say a video game tester or vet or a fucken astronaut.. Sure it's good to encourage these 'dreams' but don't mortgage your family's future on it (emotional and financial)
most kids don't know shit about the chances of becoming or what it takes to become these.. Adults are supposed to though

oh and on all the yelling and 'motivating' that would do the exact opposite for me.. the more someone yells at me to do something the less I'm going to do it ask the teachers at my high school haha

oooow I'm such a badass
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I think it's crucial for racers to maintain education. Let's get real- it's a hardscrabble world.Travis Pastrana found time to get a college education. He's a...
I think it's crucial for racers to maintain education. Let's get real- it's a hardscrabble world.Travis Pastrana found time to get a college education. He's a guy who has had a full schedule for some time now.

Millsaps says he was overwhelmed by his Mom wanting too much. I can understand that, but I also try and picture Ryan Dungey making that same statement. I can't see Dungey saying too much had been expected of him..
Interesting you make the comparison to Dungey, because from what I have seen and read over the years, Dungey wasn't really pushed quite the way Millsaps was. If for no other reason than Minnesota gets cold and that would have made him take some time off.
There's a lot of psychology behind all of this and it is interesting to watch, I understand the sacrifice of the parents and I also understand how those racers must feel. Balance is important.
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To clear some things up: The dad walked out and left them to fend for themselves. The dad is not in the picture of the daughter...
To clear some things up:
The dad walked out and left them to fend for themselves. The dad is not in the picture of the daughter and that is the main issue between her and Davi. If you have ever talked to the man, you know why. He has a relationship with Davi because Davi is "famous." He does not treat his other son well either. There is way more to this story that both sides, out of respect for each other, did not go into, so people should take the show as it is and not think too much into it. Colleen worked VERY hard to get her kids where they are today. She has one kid as a top pro, another in med school, and the youngest is one of the nicest kids ever. Her tough love I am sure caused issues with her kids, but it obviously sets them on the right path for life. Say what you will, but 3/3 kids turning out like that...5/5 if you count Martin and Bryan who she also helped raise, is almost unheard of, especially given the hand they were dealt. She still lives in a barn. She made sure her kids never went without while she did. If you have ever met her, you know this is true.

As for her training technique: you try to keep teenage boys with raging testosterone and IQs of Forrest Gump in-line. You have to be tough on them. Also, people say she is a hardass. She is, but she is the first one to take in a kid who does not have money and she does free camps to military people and camps for benefits. You ask any kid who has been to MTF what they think of her, then you can determine whether she is too tough. They have incredible respect for her, and it is not out of fear, it is out of admiration of how she transforms them into a better rider and a better person. You can't go off a show. That is like saying The Situation from Jersey Shore is actually a chick magnet. She may have grabbed that kid's helmate, but when he did the start right she gave him a huge pat on the back and he felt great about himself.

As for MTF, Colleen is very adamant that the kids get home-schooled. She has build a classroom and has a full-time tutor. She corrects their English 24/7 and makes them disciplined. She is always looking for ways to enhance their education as much as possible, but come on... do you really think any of those kids, with a few exceptions, are going to go to college? To ride motocross you have to be borderline mentally challenged and have ADHD out the butt! This is the best chance many of them have. They would have most likely had a blue-collar job without motocross, so they can always go back and do that if they don't make it. It is the honest truth. There is nothing wrong with blue collar, they make the world go round. At least they have learned what dedication and hard work mean.

I would have taken the challenge to punch Davi. Every boy should know how to fight. How else are they supposed to protect their women and their wallet (not women from their wallet...well maybe)? If you do not know how to fight, you are not a real man.
Thank you for the explanation. It's nice to hear te other side of it as I assumed it was not as bad as it seemed on tv
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where do you see this show? Any links? excuse my ignorance
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Motodave15 wrote:
There is soo much win in this... All is far in love and war... and football you are at war. Fuck setting a example, brawl it...
There is soo much win in this...

All is far in love and war... and football you are at war.

Fuck setting a example, brawl it out and show who is really the winner!

Not being sarcastic either, sometimes people just need to fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkdGfqFMv0w&feature=player_embedded

(it didnt let me quote the video)
I absolutely hate the sports = war analogy. Comparing sports to war is the same as comparing oranges to bulldozers. Losing in a football game means you go home and feel bad for a few hours/days. Losing in a war means you go home in a box. Simple. And yes, I take that statement literally. I've had too many friends who have served/are currently serving not to.

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