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11/14/2012 2:03pm
You are correct this is not doctoring or lawyering, and those professions are paid based on the work that they do. Supercross and motocross athletes should...
You are correct this is not doctoring or lawyering, and those professions are paid based on the work that they do. Supercross and motocross athletes should get paid based on what they do and that is sellout stadiums. Maybe not sell out all venues but I think we can agree there's enough revenue to do something about the problem. It's just like the Walmart comparison, Walmart employees do not pack stadiums. Riders do..


Let's ask this; let's say 5 dollars was added to the price of every Supercross tickets and that money went straight to the riders for some sort of fund ,who here would have a problem with that?
Pay ATTENTION................. The Walmart family comparison was about, the Walton family could change the quality of their employee's life's, but they don't. Not because the money's...
Pay ATTENTION.................

The Walmart family comparison was about, the Walton family could change the quality of their employee's life's, but they don't. Not because the money's not there, but they don't have too. It had nothing to do with Walmart employee's..... Savy.


IMO... Your attitude of entitlement is part of the problem. I have a tip for you. If the riders don't like the money they make, then they can get off their asses and go do something about it. Learn how to brand yourself, market yourself, stop acting like punks.

Oh and if that doesn't work for you, there's always...... " Stop being a pussy and hold it WFO and win some races ". Everyone has the same opportunity to go wide open. Just win baby.
DING DING FUCKING DING. If your gonna complain about how much you make in a sport YOU chose to practice then you should quit. If Joe Blow is making 15mil a year and stomps your ass every year you have no right to complain about the 700k you make a year. Hold it WTFO like Joe Blow or STFU. Everyone in this country wants something for nothing... There's a word for it... Oh wait these red necks say those are African Americans... Nvm... But if the best in the sport are making the dough and you think you deserve even half of what they get and your a 10th place guy you are stupid. THE BEST GET PAID THE BEST. It's not JS7, RD5, CR22, or RV2's fault they kick everyone else's ass.

Like JS7 said in an interview with ESPN E60...."racing pays good... Wait no WINNING pays good"

BOOM BOOM BOOM click, clack. Are you still alive?
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11/14/2012 2:07pm
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make money for the riders without even touching felds profits, your continued nonsense and babbling isn't going to change the facts, there's money to be had and the riders need their fair share quit making excuses!

You don't have their financial information either yet you're trying to say they're completely broke. Give it up and find another pot...
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11/14/2012 2:09pm
This episode had me thinking of Broc Hepler and his decision to quit racing and go back to school. I guess he saw the writing on the wall and thought better of it.
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11/14/2012 2:12pm
Ding ding, LOL.

That's a wonderful post full of nothing but nonsense
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11/14/2012 2:15pm
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make...
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make money for the riders without even touching felds profits, your continued nonsense and babbling isn't going to change the facts, there's money to be had and the riders need their fair share quit making excuses!

You don't have their financial information either yet you're trying to say they're completely broke. Give it up and find another pot...
An adult conversation about someone's pay in something they chose to do? Sounds like none of our business to me. Only kids nosey into someone else pay.

You should sell your gear at cost because you are over charging the racers... Help fix the problem by helping them spend less on equipment in return will keep more money in their pocket.

I don't work at mcdonalds because it doesn't pay enough... THEY HAVE THE SAME CHOICE. Quit ur bitchin. If the riders are bitchin they need to quit and take up a diff profession. IT'S A CHOICE WE HAVE HERE IN MERICA! THE LAND OF THE FAAAREEEEE!
11/14/2012 2:18pm
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make...
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make money for the riders without even touching felds profits, your continued nonsense and babbling isn't going to change the facts, there's money to be had and the riders need their fair share quit making excuses!

You don't have their financial information either yet you're trying to say they're completely broke. Give it up and find another pot...
Your very easy way? You assume people will pay the extra no problem. In case you haven't realized this our country is a world of fucking hurt and it is getting worse day by day. Maybe if you watched something other than this board you would have a clue on the fiscal cliff and what companies are doing to prepare. But let's say the people ( You and I) pay it. How do you know that their insurance or rent or anything else isn't going to increase for 2013...like say by a $ or $$ or $$$$? You don't. Again you have no fucking idea what situation they are in financially. If the riders need to make more money then go get a fucking job that pays more if they can find it.

I didn't say they were broke or even insinuate that dumbass (yes I resorted because...well because I can and you are a dumbass)
11/14/2012 2:18pm
The fact is you don't how much money they net but you want us to believe they are raking it in. Prove it or STFU. I'm...
The fact is you don't how much money they net but you want us to believe they are raking it in. Prove it or STFU. I'm not making excuses for them or anyone else. I can see taking $2.50/person out of their pockets...the question is why would they? Are the racers not going to show up? Of course they will and therein shows one of your many flaws in this debate. How much of every purchase do you give back to your customers?


My desire to call you stupid...hey STUPID I said you were either stubborn or stupid but I guess your answer proves you are STUPID. With that I am out. These arguments never turn out well.
Well we do know Supercross makes bank relative to the outdoors.

We do know that there is a pay disparity amongst the riders.

We do know the riders risk their lives infinitely more than Felds other shows. (Monster Trucks, Fmx)

We do know the other moto show Feld puts on (Nuclear Cowboys) pays EVERY rider participating in the show.

We do know that without the riders SX would be nothing.

If Feld had some social responsibility they would sort out a descent minimum payment for those that make the night show..


WHY DONT DAVE PRATER AND TODD JENDRO come on here and voice their opinion? They run the show, go straight to the top..
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11/14/2012 2:23pm
"You should sell your gear at cost because you are over charging the racers... Help fix the problem by helping them spend less on equipment in return will keep more money in their pocket. "

That's just SMART!

Actually, I do help the riders who want to wear protection! Dainese and others charge $250 to $400+ for a suit that has higer impact rating. AND I OFFER A LIFETIME WARRANTY! So, THANK YOU for noticing!

"An adult conversation about someone's pay in something they chose to do? Sounds like none of our business to me. Only kids nosey into someone else pay. "

So, in your eye's. How do you solve the problem? Oh, right! Just bury your head in the sand! AND HOLD IT WFO!!

S M A R T

"something for nothing"- you have LESS than a clue! I think I understand what CR meant about computards! I don't post much, thank god! The SMART is overwhelming!
11/14/2012 2:27pm
The fact is you don't how much money they net but you want us to believe they are raking it in. Prove it or STFU. I'm...
The fact is you don't how much money they net but you want us to believe they are raking it in. Prove it or STFU. I'm not making excuses for them or anyone else. I can see taking $2.50/person out of their pockets...the question is why would they? Are the racers not going to show up? Of course they will and therein shows one of your many flaws in this debate. How much of every purchase do you give back to your customers?


My desire to call you stupid...hey STUPID I said you were either stubborn or stupid but I guess your answer proves you are STUPID. With that I am out. These arguments never turn out well.
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Well we do know Supercross makes bank relative to the outdoors. We do know that there is a pay disparity amongst the riders. We do know...
Well we do know Supercross makes bank relative to the outdoors.

We do know that there is a pay disparity amongst the riders.

We do know the riders risk their lives infinitely more than Felds other shows. (Monster Trucks, Fmx)

We do know the other moto show Feld puts on (Nuclear Cowboys) pays EVERY rider participating in the show.

We do know that without the riders SX would be nothing.

If Feld had some social responsibility they would sort out a descent minimum payment for those that make the night show..


WHY DONT DAVE PRATER AND TODD JENDRO come on here and voice their opinion? They run the show, go straight to the top..
Really? How much more does SX make over MX?
There is a pay disparity between the 3rd string linebacker and the starting quarterback too.
Yes they risk their lives and they race knowing full well what the risks are.
I don't know that all of them get paid but maybe when they set that up they negotiated that...how much do they pay every rider? I know nothing about Nuclear Cowboys but do they all make the same amount?
Yes SX would be nothing without the riders....what would the riders do without SX?
Doesn't everyone get paid if they make the night show? What is decent pay for 2 practices and at least a 10 minute race?

Dave and Todd probably know they don't have to and why would they subject themselves to that shitstorm?
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11/14/2012 2:28pm
motokiwi; TRUST ME! It isn't worth the effort!
11/14/2012 2:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 2:29pm
Your very easy way? You assume people will pay the extra no problem. In case you haven't realized this our country is a world of fucking...
Your very easy way? You assume people will pay the extra no problem. In case you haven't realized this our country is a world of fucking hurt and it is getting worse day by day. Maybe if you watched something other than this board you would have a clue on the fiscal cliff and what companies are doing to prepare. But let's say the people ( You and I) pay it. How do you know that their insurance or rent or anything else isn't going to increase for 2013...like say by a $ or $$ or $$$$? You don't. Again you have no fucking idea what situation they are in financially. If the riders need to make more money then go get a fucking job that pays more if they can find it.

I didn't say they were broke or even insinuate that dumbass (yes I resorted because...well because I can and you are a dumbass)
Are you Dave Prater of Todd Jendro? You seem awfully passionate about sx finances for someone who does not have a vested interest.

FYI monster trucks make more than sx and they have economies of scale because they can use the same dirt / stadium the next week for the other show... there is NO FUCKING WAY they are not making bank.
11/14/2012 2:37pm
Your very easy way? You assume people will pay the extra no problem. In case you haven't realized this our country is a world of fucking...
Your very easy way? You assume people will pay the extra no problem. In case you haven't realized this our country is a world of fucking hurt and it is getting worse day by day. Maybe if you watched something other than this board you would have a clue on the fiscal cliff and what companies are doing to prepare. But let's say the people ( You and I) pay it. How do you know that their insurance or rent or anything else isn't going to increase for 2013...like say by a $ or $$ or $$$$? You don't. Again you have no fucking idea what situation they are in financially. If the riders need to make more money then go get a fucking job that pays more if they can find it.

I didn't say they were broke or even insinuate that dumbass (yes I resorted because...well because I can and you are a dumbass)
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Are you Dave Prater of Todd Jendro? You seem awfully passionate about sx finances for someone who does not have a vested interest. FYI monster trucks...
Are you Dave Prater of Todd Jendro? You seem awfully passionate about sx finances for someone who does not have a vested interest.

FYI monster trucks make more than sx and they have economies of scale because they can use the same dirt / stadium the next week for the other show... there is NO FUCKING WAY they are not making bank.
Nope I am neither. I am just a guy that can see the forest through the trees. I am passionate about finding out the finances that all of those in the know know. velocity says they are making bank as are you, well prove it. Do we just go on your word? Who are you? Again for the really slow people, I did NOT say they weren't making money. If they weren't making money they would probably close fucking shop. See genius's that's how it works in the real business world. Companies that are successful stay open, companies that aren't, close. Economics 101. Hell even the home schooled racers probably get that concept.

How do you know how much Monster Trucks make?
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11/14/2012 2:40pm
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This episode had me thinking of Broc Hepler and his decision to quit racing and go back to school. I guess he saw the writing on...
This episode had me thinking of Broc Hepler and his decision to quit racing and go back to school. I guess he saw the writing on the wall and thought better of it.
Imo hepler retired because of the injuries. I remember how his family let him live a somewhat normal life, even being a top amateur. They pushed him with his education and to have a normal life even while being a top amateur. I think it was DC or racer x that said families with thoughts of going pro should watch how the Hepler family operated when broc was amateur.
Also, this episode had me thinking of the 18 year old age rule, that was shelved before it even had a chance. 18 to turn pro would allow these kids to finnish basic school and to mature a little more. I think this would help them in the long run.
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11/14/2012 2:41pm
I know; they're making enough to do something about the problem.

What forrest are you seeing, with your INSIGHT, all I see is DESERT!!!
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11/14/2012 2:52pm
"You should sell your gear at cost because you are over charging the racers... Help fix the problem by helping them spend less on equipment in...
"You should sell your gear at cost because you are over charging the racers... Help fix the problem by helping them spend less on equipment in return will keep more money in their pocket. "

That's just SMART!

Actually, I do help the riders who want to wear protection! Dainese and others charge $250 to $400+ for a suit that has higer impact rating. AND I OFFER A LIFETIME WARRANTY! So, THANK YOU for noticing!

"An adult conversation about someone's pay in something they chose to do? Sounds like none of our business to me. Only kids nosey into someone else pay. "

So, in your eye's. How do you solve the problem? Oh, right! Just bury your head in the sand! AND HOLD IT WFO!!

S M A R T

"something for nothing"- you have LESS than a clue! I think I understand what CR meant about computards! I don't post much, thank god! The SMART is overwhelming!
Yeh you damn right I'm a computard that's making more money than all these riders ur saying deserves something for nothing... Maybe they should become a comoutard!

But anyways bro your opinion about this is better than everyone else's opinion. EVERYONE STOP. this shit is over gearhead is theonly person on here that is entitled to an opinion... (Drop mic)

Ef you and ur lifetime warranty that your so generously giving.
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11/14/2012 2:56pm
I know; they're making enough to do something about the problem.

What forrest are you seeing, with your INSIGHT, all I see is DESERT!!!
Yeh they all took a risk and are struggling to make ends meet let's tell those ppl who are atleast making ends meet by just a strand to take another risk and boycott feld and not race and not get paid for a substantial amount of time not knowing if they willgt anything better. I mean they have so much money they can afford to take a season off.

Ah shit... My bad for the opinion again.
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11/14/2012 2:57pm
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This episode had me thinking of Broc Hepler and his decision to quit racing and go back to school. I guess he saw the writing on...
This episode had me thinking of Broc Hepler and his decision to quit racing and go back to school. I guess he saw the writing on the wall and thought better of it.
This is an approximation how small the sign is that racing does not pay, since the start.


This isn't like human trafficking or even WalMart employees who are hired employees. These guys are contractual athletes based on performance and winning. No wins = no pay. It sucks yes. Parents whom should know better put the kids in the middle of this when they should also recognize education is more important. They don't so here we are. It is up to the parents to look out for their children. Allow me to remind everyone, our own sport has done this to itself. How early can kids start racing and under some sort of contract? 65cc's? I have been saying it for years. There is no Amateur in amateur racing.

Do you know how to make a million dollars in racing? -- Start with Two Million Dollars.
11/14/2012 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 3:11pm
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make...
You resorting to STFU and other childish remarks only shows your limited ability to have an adult conversation. I showed a very easy way to make money for the riders without even touching felds profits, your continued nonsense and babbling isn't going to change the facts, there's money to be had and the riders need their fair share quit making excuses!

You don't have their financial information either yet you're trying to say they're completely broke. Give it up and find another pot...
No, you have shown a way to spend other peoples money. Would I pay $5 more so the riders get more? Nope. I have done my part to support racers and racing. From 1976 on I have bought 26 brand new motocross bikes and for every one of those bikes I have bought tires top ends chains sprockets etc etc , I have also bought Helmets boots pants goggles etc etc. Then there are AMA cards SRAC cards GNC, NMA , RMXA etc cards and then entry fees etc etc. I even won a few bucks here and there but I bet I am still in the hole about 150K over 35 years and the reason I never made any money was I JUST WASNT GOOD ENOUGH plain and simple.
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11/14/2012 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 3:11pm
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a fight that doesn't need to be fought!

Your comment isn't CLEAR!

Just for #$*ks sake, LETS PRETEND; that feld in FACT profited 15 mil last year. Are you then able to manage something for the riders? If not, are you yourself willing to pay an extra $2.50 per SX ticket?

If the answer to those questions is ANYTHING but yes, You're high on CRACK! Quit pretending to support the sport!

Lostboy, you supported the Industry and Manufacturers. I don't see how you supported the riders. Your logic suggests; since you didn't "make it", why should I help anyone else. What's worse is the money you spent, was on YOURSELF! For your racing habit! I can't even believe you tally like that!

If that's how you want to roll, GREAT! I think that sucks!
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11/14/2012 3:02pm
Greatest sport in the world and all the ball chasers get all the money.
11/14/2012 3:13pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 3:17pm
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a...
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a fight that doesn't need to be fought!

Your comment isn't CLEAR!

Just for #$*ks sake, LETS PRETEND; that feld in FACT profited 15 mil last year. Are you then able to manage something for the riders? If not, are you yourself willing to pay an extra $2.50 per SX ticket?

If the answer to those questions is ANYTHING but yes, You're high on CRACK! Quit pretending to support the sport!

Lostboy, you supported the Industry and Manufacturers. I don't see how you supported the riders. Your logic suggests; since you didn't "make it", why should I help anyone else. What's worse is the money you spent, was on YOURSELF! For your racing habit! I can't even believe you tally like that!

If that's how you want to roll, GREAT! I think that sucks!
Who pays the riders ?? The industry and maunfacturers!!
Damn you are thick
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11/14/2012 3:21pm
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a...
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a fight that doesn't need to be fought!

Your comment isn't CLEAR!

Just for #$*ks sake, LETS PRETEND; that feld in FACT profited 15 mil last year. Are you then able to manage something for the riders? If not, are you yourself willing to pay an extra $2.50 per SX ticket?

If the answer to those questions is ANYTHING but yes, You're high on CRACK! Quit pretending to support the sport!

Lostboy, you supported the Industry and Manufacturers. I don't see how you supported the riders. Your logic suggests; since you didn't "make it", why should I help anyone else. What's worse is the money you spent, was on YOURSELF! For your racing habit! I can't even believe you tally like that!

If that's how you want to roll, GREAT! I think that sucks!
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11/14/2012 3:22pm
Man, that is depressing...

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11/14/2012 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 3:36pm
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a...
I'm sorry but the "detractors" are only willing to make excuses. It's clear, you don't care about the sport as much as you do fighting a fight that doesn't need to be fought!

Your comment isn't CLEAR!

Just for #$*ks sake, LETS PRETEND; that feld in FACT profited 15 mil last year. Are you then able to manage something for the riders? If not, are you yourself willing to pay an extra $2.50 per SX ticket?

If the answer to those questions is ANYTHING but yes, You're high on CRACK! Quit pretending to support the sport!

Lostboy, you supported the Industry and Manufacturers. I don't see how you supported the riders. Your logic suggests; since you didn't "make it", why should I help anyone else. What's worse is the money you spent, was on YOURSELF! For your racing habit! I can't even believe you tally like that!

If that's how you want to roll, GREAT! I think that sucks!
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Who pays the riders ?? The industry and maunfacturers!!
Damn you are thick
Clearly, you either have memory retention issues or are just to evolved for this discussion. Do you even read the posts? You keep burping garbage out of the side of your neck!

THICK- tell me about it!


"Would I pay $5 more so the riders get more? Nope."

Nevermind; bitter minds and selfishness are the most important traits here!

$ 5 frick'in dollars and I'm the lunatic! Total garbage!

I'll take my opinion and hopes for a better tomorrow.
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11/14/2012 5:15pm
Wow, this thread is heading into the toilet. What is it about threads? Around 5-7 pages they always wind up in verbal sparring about who or who not is stupid.
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11/14/2012 6:07pm
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DING DING FUCKING DING. If your gonna complain about how much you make in a sport YOU chose to practice then you should quit. If Joe...
DING DING FUCKING DING. If your gonna complain about how much you make in a sport YOU chose to practice then you should quit. If Joe Blow is making 15mil a year and stomps your ass every year you have no right to complain about the 700k you make a year. Hold it WTFO like Joe Blow or STFU. Everyone in this country wants something for nothing... There's a word for it... Oh wait these red necks say those are African Americans... Nvm... But if the best in the sport are making the dough and you think you deserve even half of what they get and your a 10th place guy you are stupid. THE BEST GET PAID THE BEST. It's not JS7, RD5, CR22, or RV2's fault they kick everyone else's ass.

Like JS7 said in an interview with ESPN E60...."racing pays good... Wait no WINNING pays good"

BOOM BOOM BOOM click, clack. Are you still alive?
That is the most vitarded thing I have read. Name any other sport where only the top 5 make money? Name another sport that is as dangerous as moto? These guys are way underpaid period....
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11/14/2012 6:50pm
Maybe I should not have said riders union. They need somebody or organization to represent them before they throw their leg over the bike without insurance and with some kind of compensation for being the show. The riders need to come together before the racing begins. Yes, Jeremy might have been able to get it done...But ? that time has passed.

Lets be a part of the solution, not the problem. Maybe Racerx,Transworld, Motocross action have something to say?
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11/14/2012 7:21pm
mellonhs wrote:
DING DING FUCKING DING. If your gonna complain about how much you make in a sport YOU chose to practice then you should quit. If Joe...
DING DING FUCKING DING. If your gonna complain about how much you make in a sport YOU chose to practice then you should quit. If Joe Blow is making 15mil a year and stomps your ass every year you have no right to complain about the 700k you make a year. Hold it WTFO like Joe Blow or STFU. Everyone in this country wants something for nothing... There's a word for it... Oh wait these red necks say those are African Americans... Nvm... But if the best in the sport are making the dough and you think you deserve even half of what they get and your a 10th place guy you are stupid. THE BEST GET PAID THE BEST. It's not JS7, RD5, CR22, or RV2's fault they kick everyone else's ass.

Like JS7 said in an interview with ESPN E60...."racing pays good... Wait no WINNING pays good"

BOOM BOOM BOOM click, clack. Are you still alive?
fader418 wrote:
That is the most vitarded thing I have read. Name any other sport where only the top 5 make money? Name another sport that is as...
That is the most vitarded thing I have read. Name any other sport where only the top 5 make money? Name another sport that is as dangerous as moto? These guys are way underpaid period....
Everyone is making moneyf they get into money paying positions 1st 2nd 3rd etc.. but the top 5 should make WAY more than a 10th place guy. For example... Boxing... When mayweather fought Ortiz he was guaranteed 25mil win lose or draw. Ortiz was guaranteed 2mil... The best get paid the best. Period. No need to feel sorry for Ortiz cuz he worked his ass off for that fight. Oh well he's not the best. The best get paid well for entertaining the fans of the sport... Not the guys in 15th place. And it will always be that way. And should. If you want more money in a 9-5 you do a better job and prove to your employer your worthy of a raise. Bitching won't get you a raise. It might actually get you laid off in the real world.
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11/14/2012 7:31pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2012 7:32pm
I always have thought a Riders Union would be good for the sport, Having said that, given the way contracts are treated and so easily thrown out and with teams that come and go on a whim it would make for some tough negotiating. It's a shame that such an awesome sport is such a circus act at the top level.
IMHO any rider that qualifies for a National shouldn't be struggling to get to the next event or worse yet passing the hat for medical.
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11/14/2012 7:52pm
All the pros would be making more money if the OEM's sold more than 65k dirt bike units a year. When they sold a million dirt units a year, all the OEM teams had 5-6 racers each and they all made good money. The sport has essentially killed itself with what everyone perceives as progress.

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