Monster being sued over girl's death

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seth505 10/22/2012 10:38pm
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So when exactly do we start taking responsibility for our own choices? Pre-existing condition or not the affects of high doses of caffeine are well known...
So when exactly do we start taking responsibility for our own choices? Pre-existing condition or not the affects of high doses of caffeine are well known by anyone who can read. It's terribly sad that this girl and many like her can't handle as much as the average American ingests, but why exactly is that the fault of an energy drink company? She could have just as easily been drinking a Coke or Dr Pepper when her heart gave out.

While we're on the subject how about a little damn parental guidance. You know what I'd do if my 14 year old daughter was downing Monster's? Slap that shit out of her hand and tell her to drink some water.
Same thing I said to a friend earlier today. Sounds like if she had several coffees the same thing would have happened. This is really a parenting issue if you ask me. Either way, sad she passed away.
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[img]http://www.sweetpoison.com/articles/92-aspartame-symptoms-FDA.gif[/img]
My son had real problems with Aspartame. During his pre-school and early school years he was hyper and displayed ADHD tedencies but he slept soundly at night, so we knew the hyperactivity thing didn't fit. To cut a long story short we finally tracked the cause down to Aspartame, cut it from his diet and hey presto, we had a different ( and much more easy for everyone to live with) kid. Problems at school stopped overnight and a hell of a lot less shouting from me. The poor little soul was much happier too, since, he was no longer getting into trouble for behaviour he couldn't really control.

At the same time as cutting it from his diet We cut it from ours too. If I ever drink a can of Diet Coke or such now, it makes me feel a little 'woosey' and vacant for a while. How many other 'problem' kids are suffering from this in the same way?
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ky_savage 10/23/2012 4:38am
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If a person can sue for getting burnt by hot coffee and health related issues from cigarettes, Monster doesn't have a chance. They say there may have been 4-5 more deaths from it this past weekend also. Prayers for all families involved.
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What the FDA allows in our foods is mind blowing. I will not touch aspartame. Just think of what Terry K's wife went through because of aspartame and didn't even know it until later.

Aspartame should be banned, clear and simple. The FDA is in bed with too much stuff and not protecting the people. No reason that some of the shit in our foods should be allowed. Most people don't have the time and know how to research what they are eating or drinking. Doesn't make them stupid. They are in the hussle and bussle of regular everyday life and expect that our government is protecting us to a certain degree.

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motogrady 10/23/2012 7:39am
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Just saw over at yahoonews, monster stock plummet's on the news.........
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It says on the can under supplement facts that it has caffeine in it .with her condition she had and her parents knew she couldn't have caffeine why let her drink and energy drink what gives u energy caffeine I feel sorry for there loss i do but y sue when it says there's caffeine in it my lil bro drinks like 4 a day and he's fine it has nothing to do with what's in the drink if u know u can't have certain things read the label
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Nicknku 10/23/2012 4:01pm
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Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening... Doesn't seem like a lot of sales especially when there almost 2 billion Cokes sold every day.
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S.Loyer 10/23/2012 4:07pm
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Nicknku wrote:
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening...
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening... Doesn't seem like a lot of sales especially when there almost 2 billion Cokes sold every day.
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
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What the FDA allows in our foods is mind blowing. I will not touch aspartame. Just think of what Terry K's wife went through because of...
What the FDA allows in our foods is mind blowing. I will not touch aspartame. Just think of what Terry K's wife went through because of aspartame and didn't even know it until later.

Aspartame should be banned, clear and simple. The FDA is in bed with too much stuff and not protecting the people. No reason that some of the shit in our foods should be allowed. Most people don't have the time and know how to research what they are eating or drinking. Doesn't make them stupid. They are in the hussle and bussle of regular everyday life and expect that our government is protecting us to a certain degree.
^^^ this.

Aspartame is linked to a 60% increase in brain tumors.....BRAIN TUMORS!
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Nicknku 10/23/2012 4:17pm
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Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening...
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening... Doesn't seem like a lot of sales especially when there almost 2 billion Cokes sold every day.
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That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there...
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
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Nicknku 10/23/2012 4:21pm
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Nicknku wrote:
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening...
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening... Doesn't seem like a lot of sales especially when there almost 2 billion Cokes sold every day.
S.Loyer wrote:
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there...
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
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I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
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S.Loyer 10/23/2012 4:26pm
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Nicknku wrote:
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening...
Anyone else surprised Monster has only sold 8 million energy drinks?? That was according to their public statement on this issue on ABC news this evening... Doesn't seem like a lot of sales especially when there almost 2 billion Cokes sold every day.
S.Loyer wrote:
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there...
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
Nicknku wrote:
I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
Then some one messed up in the PR.
I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that.

Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup, Supercross, Chad Reed, RV, FMX, BMX, Sno-X, Snowboard....8 Million drinks won't support that.
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That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there...
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
Nicknku wrote:
I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
S.Loyer wrote:
Then some one messed up in the PR. I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that. Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup...
Then some one messed up in the PR.
I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that.

Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup, Supercross, Chad Reed, RV, FMX, BMX, Sno-X, Snowboard....8 Million drinks won't support that.
Really? 8 million sold wouldn't support all that?
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It's a bunch of BS. For those on here that think energy drinks "should be banned". You going to ban coffee and espresso too?

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kev472 10/23/2012 6:32pm
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It's a bunch of BS. For those on here that think energy drinks "should be banned". You going to ban coffee and espresso too? [img]https://www.wikinvest.com/images/thumb/3/35/Caffeine_content.jpg/500px-Caffeine_content.jpg[/img]
It's a bunch of BS. For those on here that think energy drinks "should be banned". You going to ban coffee and espresso too?

Exactly millions of people have been consuming caffeine for years, when was coffee discovered like in the 13th century it appears,people have been drinking it for centuries and now all of a sudden caffeine gets a bad reputation
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Wisco322 10/23/2012 7:04pm
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Really sad. RIP.

That stuff tastes horrible, I honestly don't know how they sell so much of it.
The logo and the fact that it's called "Monster." I was one of those kids who had to have monster everything back in the day.. now it's ruling the mainstream. Monster this, Monster that, Monster sticker on your wiffle ball bat. It goes on. I remember it being a symbolic thing of someone who raced motocross... just like a fox sweat shirt or an alpinestars t-shirt. Making t-shirts and stickers have never worked so well at selling something in the history of marketing than it has for Monster..
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Th3Swami 10/23/2012 7:38pm
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sometimes people dont know they even have a condition til something pushes it over the limits.
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It's a bunch of BS. For those on here that think energy drinks "should be banned". You going to ban coffee and espresso too? [img]https://www.wikinvest.com/images/thumb/3/35/Caffeine_content.jpg/500px-Caffeine_content.jpg[/img]
It's a bunch of BS. For those on here that think energy drinks "should be banned". You going to ban coffee and espresso too?

kev472 wrote:
Exactly millions of people have been consuming caffeine for years, when was coffee discovered like in the 13th century it appears,people have been drinking it for...
Exactly millions of people have been consuming caffeine for years, when was coffee discovered like in the 13th century it appears,people have been drinking it for centuries and now all of a sudden caffeine gets a bad reputation
Thanks for posting. It has also been studied and proven the amount of "herbs" found in the drinks are so low as to be non-effective in their intent.

I also want to point out the both Redbull and Monster use the best sugars available. Not that cheap as high fructose corn syrup that others use. So in essence you could drink a Monster or Redbull as a sports drink similar to Cytosport Fast Twitch.

I also believe it states on the can that no more then 2 cans should be consumed in a 24 hr period.

Companies spends billions on research into how people can be made to: purchase, drink, eat and wear their products.
Monster happens to be very good at that in the energy drink dept.
That's where you need to start if you want to make a change.

Did you know that products found at eye level are more likely to be purchased? Why do you think companies fight and pay extra to have that shelf space?

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S.Loyer 10/23/2012 11:36pm
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Nicknku wrote:
I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
S.Loyer wrote:
Then some one messed up in the PR. I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that. Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup...
Then some one messed up in the PR.
I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that.

Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup, Supercross, Chad Reed, RV, FMX, BMX, Sno-X, Snowboard....8 Million drinks won't support that.
Nicknku wrote:
Really? 8 million sold wouldn't support all that?
How much money do you think comes off 8 Million cans?

How much money do you think it cost to be the title sponsor of Pro Circuit, Factory Kawi, Sign RC, Jeremy McGrath, Twitch, Chad Reed, all their other athletes outside of MX?
Then how much do you think it cost to be the title sponsor of Supercross?
The Canadian Nationals?
Everything else they sponsor?


8 Million cans.....Not a chance
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steveada 10/24/2012 4:58am
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More hysteria in the media. First of all, most of the stories only say she drank 2 cans of monster. It is true, but she drank 2 24 oz cans of monster, which is rediculous. Secondly, data from 2009 shows that there were almost 3500 ER visits due to caffeine toxicity that year in the US alone. Kind of makes the "34 adverse reactions to Monster" over however many years it has been around seem a little trivial. Caffeine is ubiquitous in our society, in many of the things we eat, drink, and in many medications. Just like anything else, people can and will abuse and over use it. Some people will eat too much, drink too much, exercize too much, sleep too much, gamble too much, play video games too much, have sex too much, etc etc... Just because one person can't control their drinking doesn't mean that anyone who drinks a beer is going to destroy their life. As far as aspartamine goes, again, like anything else, some people can have a bad reaction to it, it doesn't mean it is bad for everyone. Some people risk death by eating a peanut or taking a certain antibiotic, but that doesn't mean millions of other people can't safely eat peanuts or take that antibiotic. If you want to ban everything that a certain percentage of people are going to have an adverse reaction to, we would have zero medications, no bread, no dairy products, no vegtables, no meat, no sugar; nothing. The problem with things like aspartamine is that it becomes so pervasive in so many things that it becomes difficult to identify it as the source of your adverse reaction. It may take a long time to realize that those few pieces of gum you chew every day are the reason you feel horrible, even though millions of other people chew gum every day and have absolutely no problem with it.
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motogrady 10/24/2012 6:14am
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More hysteria in the media. First of all, most of the stories only say she drank 2 cans of monster. It is true, but she drank...
More hysteria in the media. First of all, most of the stories only say she drank 2 cans of monster. It is true, but she drank 2 24 oz cans of monster, which is rediculous. Secondly, data from 2009 shows that there were almost 3500 ER visits due to caffeine toxicity that year in the US alone. Kind of makes the "34 adverse reactions to Monster" over however many years it has been around seem a little trivial. Caffeine is ubiquitous in our society, in many of the things we eat, drink, and in many medications. Just like anything else, people can and will abuse and over use it. Some people will eat too much, drink too much, exercize too much, sleep too much, gamble too much, play video games too much, have sex too much, etc etc... Just because one person can't control their drinking doesn't mean that anyone who drinks a beer is going to destroy their life. As far as aspartamine goes, again, like anything else, some people can have a bad reaction to it, it doesn't mean it is bad for everyone. Some people risk death by eating a peanut or taking a certain antibiotic, but that doesn't mean millions of other people can't safely eat peanuts or take that antibiotic. If you want to ban everything that a certain percentage of people are going to have an adverse reaction to, we would have zero medications, no bread, no dairy products, no vegtables, no meat, no sugar; nothing. The problem with things like aspartamine is that it becomes so pervasive in so many things that it becomes difficult to identify it as the source of your adverse reaction. It may take a long time to realize that those few pieces of gum you chew every day are the reason you feel horrible, even though millions of other people chew gum every day and have absolutely no problem with it.
Good points, but,
the plaintiff's will paint a picture of a little girl that lost her
life, to a dangerous product.
The jury will feel sorry, it's human nature, the parent's
will get a chunk of money, even tho they prob bought the stuff.

and life here in the States will go on................
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Jeff alessi 10/24/2012 6:55am
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I think the easiest thing to do is give it an age limit like alcohol, that will remind you when you buy a can of whatever energy drink that its not like buying a bottle of water and that you have to be responsible and aware of what your putting in your body. Maybe like 18 years and up to buy it on your own but still legal under parents approval at any age. Monster will lose business but protect themself from further lawsuits.
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8 MILLION cans? Bet that's just for a month. Hell, there were 8 million cans poured into the planter boxes and flower beds at stadiums around the country by people using the empty cans to get into the pits at SX races.Laughing

I don't send my kid out the door in the morning with 2 24oz. Monsters in his lunchbox and he's healthy. The parents are just being stupid and looking for a little "sediment" to make them feel better. Can't begin to imagine wanting to profit off of your kids death when you yourself were to blame. Sick people in this world.
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8 MILLION cans? Bet that's just for a month. Hell, there were 8 million cans poured into the planter boxes and flower beds at stadiums around...
8 MILLION cans? Bet that's just for a month. Hell, there were 8 million cans poured into the planter boxes and flower beds at stadiums around the country by people using the empty cans to get into the pits at SX races.Laughing

I don't send my kid out the door in the morning with 2 24oz. Monsters in his lunchbox and he's healthy. The parents are just being stupid and looking for a little "sediment" to make them feel better. Can't begin to imagine wanting to profit off of your kids death when you yourself were to blame. Sick people in this world.
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Regarding the chart: nobody drinks 12 oz of espresso. That would be 12 shots of espresso in a large coffee cup, a normal espresso drink would have 1,2,or 3 shots, then milk or water etc.

Someone earlier said caffeine is a neurotoxin, that is not true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotoxin

I drink 2 or three large coffees every day, and have for many many years, so I know what caffeine feels like. The energy drinks have more than just caffeine in them, and they definitely feel different than just drinking a caffeinated beverage. Having said that, I enjoy one once in a while and definitely think they do not warrant any special attention from the gov or anything. Moderation and common sense is the key - as usual.

Think about how many people you know who are addicted to diet soft drinks and down them like nobody's business. Has the government ever taken a special interest in those things? of course not, because Donald Rumsfeld is the one who forced aspartame through the FDA approvals process after it failed numerous times before.

The thing that people need to watch a little bit about the energy drinks is the way they stack stimulants on top of one another: many have caffeine, taurine, Guarana and Glucuronolactone. When combined with large amounts of sugar and / or artificial chemical sweeteners / high fructose corn syrups (worse than sugar in my opinion), you've got drinks that need to be consumed carefully. IMO.
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ga_pike 10/24/2012 8:36am
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S.Loyer wrote:
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there...
That number is way off. I believe you mixed Million with Billion
Just think about all the shit monster does, even turning a 110% profit, there is no way 8 million drinks sold even in a year would support that.

I remember in 2009 they hit 4 Billion world wide, total sales.

This is from a ABC Article today -

"Monster is second-highest seller of caffeinated energy drinks behind Red Bull, which had $1.6 billion and $2.9 billion in sales last year, according to research company SymphonyIRI."

“Over the past 16 years Monster has sold more than 8 billion energy drinks which have been safely consumed worldwide,” the statement read. “Monster does not believe that its beverages are in any way responsible for the death of Ms. Fournier. Monster is unaware of any fatality anywhere that has been caused by its drinks. The Fournier family has chosen to file a lawsuit, which Monster intends to vigorously defend and, in light of such pending litigation, Monster’s policy is to not comment further.”
Nicknku wrote:
I didn't mix million with billion... I had to back up the DVR to make sure I was seeing it right.
S.Loyer wrote:
Then some one messed up in the PR. I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that. Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup...
Then some one messed up in the PR.
I have already proved what they have sold from ABC news at that.

Think about it...8 Million....Monster Cup, Supercross, Chad Reed, RV, FMX, BMX, Sno-X, Snowboard....8 Million drinks won't support that.
Am I missing something? Because the press release says 8 Billion, with a B... not Million with an M.
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Had a guy working with me for a short while who would drink coffee all day long. At least 12 cups a day. That wasn't the weird part though. He would fill the cup half full of sugar before putting any coffee in the cup. Weird....just weird.
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PaleBlue 10/24/2012 8:54am
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
This may be a more accurate chart:

http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database

The energy drink co's may need to think about kicking the giant cans, though.
steed 2.0 wrote:
in Europe Monster Energy Drink Small Can (250ml) http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_7616.html
Did you notice that having TWO forms of sugar (Sucrose and Glucose) is just not enough! They've also got an artificial sweetner in there too ( Sucralose). Is it possible that they just couldn't get any more sugar to dissolve in there?

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