Barcia/Canard

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10/17/2012 10:03am
Very few people have passed Chad Reed in a way that made him look slow. Trey has raw speed that very few have ever had- Barcia is an incredible rider but I think that if Trey can stay healthy he can be right there for the championship with JS7 RV2 RV22 and RD5.
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10/17/2012 10:13am
I really don't know who is going to stack up where in the top 10. One thing I think some people discount is that time off isn't always a bad thing. If you come back stronger mentally, and physically. I do know Trey is the most fit I've ever seen him (being 22 helps), but he's worked super hard. And mentally, he's the most relaxed and happy I've ever seen as well.
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10/17/2012 10:14am
41 is the fastest man on 2 wheels. Sincerely.
10/17/2012 10:27am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 10:29am
Comparisons will and should be made between the two, since for some reason people think Barcia incapable of finishing a race inside the top 3.

Remember, Trey was substantially slower than both Ryans in his 5 or 6 races in 2010, then suddenly had the sprinting speed of RV the next year if not better, and RV was going quite a bit faster himself. That's a huge gain, folks. Trey won three races last year, probably all of them holeshots. With his starts, Barcia will have plenty of opportunities to lead from the green flag to the checkers, believe dat.

Barcia has led plenty and won 450 races indoors and out- coming into this season, proven himself internationally, all that stuff. He's dominated SX the last two years in a way Canard could've only dreamed about. Crazy consistency (which improved instantly when he got on the 450 last year), and ridiculous starts that seem to have made the transition to the big bike intact. His confidence and drive to prove he belongs in the mix seem to be huge as well. Watch out for the Bam Bam.

Excellent to hear Trey's fitness is up. All the better to hold on with, throw that thing sideways Sideways

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10/17/2012 10:37am
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Which will have the better year for good old American Honda? If Canard stays healthy then i would probably just go with him just based on...
Which will have the better year for good old American Honda? If Canard stays healthy then i would probably just go with him just based on his experience, flat out speed, and resiliancy when it comes to injuries. But as mentioned Canard has a tendency to get injured so maybe Barcia is the better pick? But then again the injury bug has to bite everyone at some point and Barcia hasn't ever really been injured, except for that wrist thing in 011 but he rode through that and still won, can he handle the 450 for 17 SX rounds and 24 MX motos w/o biting it hard atleast once with his aggresive style? who ya' got?
I'm going Canard
Good question.

I have to agree with Canard. They've been teammates before and Canard was faster on the same bike. I think they both have tremendous potential though. Canard has slightly more experience, especially in the 450 class in SX, but Barcia arguably has less pressure which could be a big plus for him.

I don't know, it's close.

Sounds like this year we might not have the Big 5, more like Big 7 with Barcia and Wilson moving up. Imagine a legit 7 way battle for the championship?!
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10/17/2012 10:41am
I think it's going to be a very difficult year for Barcia in SX. Basically, it's his turn in the barrel--all season.

Take your turn in the barrel
10/17/2012 10:58am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 10:59am
txmxer wrote:
I think it's going to be a very difficult year for Barcia in SX. Basically, it's his turn in the barrel--all season. [url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=in+the+barrel]Take your turn in...
I think it's going to be a very difficult year for Barcia in SX. Basically, it's his turn in the barrel--all season.

Take your turn in the barrel
I think you just said that because you wanted to say "it's his turn in the barrel" about someone and Barcia seemed as good a choice as any.
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10/17/2012 11:23am
It would be interesting if Barcia and Canard were neck and neck for the top 3 going to Vegas and see what kind of dynamic they ride with each other. I haven't seen Canard have to ride with aggression. I imagine he is similar to Tomac. Doesn't look for it but if you brush against him, he won't hesitate to finish it.

Barcia's riding style is so recklesss that he is going to end up one of two places. The top or the bottom. . . No settling. On a 450 with that style, it's going to bite you and likely sooner than later. This is of course considering that he is going to transition to the big bike with the same riding style. . .
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10/17/2012 11:47am
No Question Barcia.

Canard has been out of the game for the greater part of three years. Alot happens during that time and the competition only gets faster. Just ask Stewart how sitting out of racing affects his speed.
10/17/2012 11:50am
Canard maybe going fast but if he is riding over his head and never finishing a season it does not really mean much.

He needs to back it off a few percent.
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10/17/2012 12:49pm
IWreckALot wrote:
It would be interesting if Barcia and Canard were neck and neck for the top 3 going to Vegas and see what kind of dynamic they...
It would be interesting if Barcia and Canard were neck and neck for the top 3 going to Vegas and see what kind of dynamic they ride with each other. I haven't seen Canard have to ride with aggression. I imagine he is similar to Tomac. Doesn't look for it but if you brush against him, he won't hesitate to finish it.

Barcia's riding style is so recklesss that he is going to end up one of two places. The top or the bottom. . . No settling. On a 450 with that style, it's going to bite you and likely sooner than later. This is of course considering that he is going to transition to the big bike with the same riding style. . .
I haven't seen Canard have to ride with aggression.

Really??? I wonder if Villopoto would agree with that? I remember Canard parking him pretty hard on the face of a finish line jump when a lites SX title was on the line.....

I can't wait to see how the class react to Barcia, if any of the big guys try to rough him up like how they introduced Weimer to the 450s, they're going to be dealing with a whole different animal.
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10/17/2012 1:17pm
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One thing for sure Canard knows how to comeback from an injury to be the fastest person on the track. I think they will both be...
One thing for sure Canard knows how to comeback from an injury to be the fastest person on the track. I think they will both be in the hunt right off the get go. Both are incredible on a bike.
X2 Canard knows how to rebound. Just proves to me that he's a natural.. and tougher than steel. Barcia is fast but my guess is he will make some enemies by round 4 and it wont be easy for him.
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10/17/2012 1:23pm
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No Question Barcia. Canard has been out of the game for the greater part of three years. Alot happens during that time and the competition only...
No Question Barcia.

Canard has been out of the game for the greater part of three years. Alot happens during that time and the competition only gets faster. Just ask Stewart how sitting out of racing affects his speed.
Yeah if you total the time missed by Canard it might be three seasons. But it was just back in 2011 where he was breaking necks and cashing checks in supercross. It's not like the speed of the big 4 has advanced SO much since Canard has been out. Shoot total the injury tiume of RV for his career, has his speed suffered
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10/17/2012 1:25pm
Turbo Trey all day long. I honestly believe this kid has more talent and tenacity than ANYONE else on the track. Add the fact that he is a fantastic human being he is about the only rider on the gate I would be happy to see walk away and win every race.
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10/17/2012 1:33pm
varagon wrote:
No Question Barcia. Canard has been out of the game for the greater part of three years. Alot happens during that time and the competition only...
No Question Barcia.

Canard has been out of the game for the greater part of three years. Alot happens during that time and the competition only gets faster. Just ask Stewart how sitting out of racing affects his speed.
Yeah if you total the time missed by Canard it might be three seasons. But it was just back in 2011 where he was breaking necks...
Yeah if you total the time missed by Canard it might be three seasons. But it was just back in 2011 where he was breaking necks and cashing checks in supercross. It's not like the speed of the big 4 has advanced SO much since Canard has been out. Shoot total the injury tiume of RV for his career, has his speed suffered
The speed of the big 4 may not have advanced SO much but I’m sure it has marginally. The time on the couch won't help Canards speed. With so many injuries, Canard will likely be a little hesitant to push the edge like he used to. Add it all up and I envision the big 4 + Barcia a notch above Canard. IMO of coarse.
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10/17/2012 1:37pm
varagon wrote:
The speed of the big 4 may not have advanced SO much but I’m sure it has marginally. The time on the couch won't help Canards...
The speed of the big 4 may not have advanced SO much but I’m sure it has marginally. The time on the couch won't help Canards speed. With so many injuries, Canard will likely be a little hesitant to push the edge like he used to. Add it all up and I envision the big 4 + Barcia a notch above Canard. IMO of coarse.
I actually hope Canard is a little hesitant to push the edge maybe it will keep him on the bike for a full season healthy. Canard with a seat time improving his game instead of healing may just be lights out for the other guys. Let's all pray for a injury free sx and more than anything MX!
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I actually hope Canard is a little hesitant to push the edge maybe it will keep him on the bike for a full season healthy. Canard...
I actually hope Canard is a little hesitant to push the edge maybe it will keep him on the bike for a full season healthy. Canard with a seat time improving his game instead of healing may just be lights out for the other guys. Let's all pray for a injury free sx and more than anything MX!
Agree would love to see a healthy winning Canard!
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10/17/2012 1:50pm
They'll be very close. Too bad the best Honda rider will be back on the 250F next year. At least we get to see him this weekend.
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10/17/2012 1:58pm
Barcia.



Gatorade me, bitch
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10/17/2012 2:01pm
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They'll be very close. Too bad the best Honda rider will be back on the 250F next year. At least we get to see him this...
They'll be very close. Too bad the best Honda rider will be back on the 250F next year. At least we get to see him this weekend.
You got that right! Thought the buzz was defend the sx lites title then on to the 450 for outdoors? Tomac 2013 MX champ
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10/17/2012 2:04pm
I think Barcia has a lot to prove moving to the factory squad and a 450 permanently, and he will come out swinging. I hope in his exuberence he doesn't over-do it. It takes a wise head to keep in mind it's a long season and you can't win a title early but you can sure lose it.
Canard, on the other hand, will be solid but a little more cautious. And with good reason. But give him a couple races to find his mojo again, and he will throw it down and finish the season strong. With a little luck, obviously.
Good luck to both of them can't wait for this Sx season to start!
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10/17/2012 2:20pm
Barcia.
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10/17/2012 2:27pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 2:29pm
Both of these guys are going to make SX a lot more intense. I was just thinking about when Canard was filling in for Short, I forget how many consecutive podiums he got on that Factory Honda but it was impressive run no doubt.
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10/17/2012 2:34pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 2:34pm
Hut wrote:
Both of these guys are going to make SX a lot more intense. I was just thinking about when Canard was filling in for Short, I...
Both of these guys are going to make SX a lot more intense. I was just thinking about when Canard was filling in for Short, I forget how many consecutive podiums he got on that Factory Honda but it was impressive run no doubt.
4 or 5 if I remember right
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10/17/2012 4:00pm
The reign of Canard is about to unfold....Just sayin.
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Barcia. He is gonna come swinging.
As a lot of people already stated, Canard just want to stay intact this season.

On another note, I don't get all the hype around Wilson. I'm not impressed and I really think he'll be a bust in the big class. Maybe I'm way off but I don't believe in him.
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10/17/2012 5:16pm
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Barcia. He is gonna come swinging. As a lot of people already stated, Canard just want to stay intact this season. On another note, I don't...
Barcia. He is gonna come swinging.
As a lot of people already stated, Canard just want to stay intact this season.

On another note, I don't get all the hype around Wilson. I'm not impressed and I really think he'll be a bust in the big class. Maybe I'm way off but I don't believe in him.
Outdoors, Wilson will be a contender. Indoors, not so much. Barcia will be more of a contender indoors than out.
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10/17/2012 7:02pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 7:02pm
Trey has won already and will win again
Barcia is in for a very rude awakening
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10/17/2012 8:40pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2012 8:56pm
I Think If Trey is relaxed thats a good thing and if upright and feeling like before the outdoor testing injury he was just as or the fastest guy and coming into something wicked speed wise..was such a shame because you could feel the momentum....I wish him the best and will be sad if he doesnt make it to Seattle 2013-

Re Barcia- it is hard to know how he or others will stack up but heres a glimse of Barcia messing around on a 450. I never thought he'd be comfy on one because he revs so much but just look at him-(my fav is the 5:16 mark). Messing around in Italy he was every bit as fast as ex champ (granted CR was racing himself back into it after a break but speed is speed).

After this JB seemed to stop a lot of the chenanigans(sp?), built his own training facility away from all the distractions and hired a tough son of bitch Jeff Stanton as coach/mentor...I think getting embarassed in the end of that race might have been blessing to him...others not so much.The rude awakening mentioned earlier may be for more than just Barcia-..just sayin he looks comfy on that fiddy-

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10/17/2012 8:57pm
Dungey better step up his aggressiveness this season. Without a start I don't see him getting around either if these 2 very easily.

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