Joker Lane MEC

Whoops_Blitzer 10/12/2012 11:57am
10/12/2012 11:57am
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one thing i REALLY like about the MEC is the three 10 lap main events. Thank you Australian SX series for that stroke of genius. the...
one thing i REALLY like about the MEC is the three 10 lap main events. Thank you Australian SX series for that stroke of genius.

the single 20 lap main has jumped the shark-with-laser-beams-attached-to-their-friggin-head tank. get's boring as fuck after the 8th lap. very rarely does it go all 20. anybody who says otherwise probably listens to Coldplay and plays with barbies.
I listen to Coldplay. Fuck you. I definitely like more than one main, though.

What about 2 or three mains, but with no break in between? The checkered flag flies and the riders file straight back to the line for another gate drop, no interviews or anything. Maybe they can squeeze a 30-second commercial in there. That would be bad ass, very much unlike Coldplay.

And I don't think the joker lane will be faster than the main track. You dudes have seen the track map, right?
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Egra372 10/12/2012 1:15pm
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I like the idea of the Joker lane. I'm glad they try something different.
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KlootZak 10/12/2012 1:25pm
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I would do the joker lane on the last lap. That way you don't have problem with people who are blocking you. If you do it in the beginning, then you lose way too much time to pass some riders (like Alessi). I think it benefits racers like Villopoto, and will be a pain in the ass for Dungey.
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jakejdnotes 10/12/2012 1:29pm
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I too think its a cool concept. especially it being sand. sand throws a wrench in alot of riders groove, especially when you only see it once a race. RC for Prez!

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Xavier 10/12/2012 2:11pm
10/12/2012 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2012 2:13pm
The MEC is Bruce Stjernstrom's concept.

Bruce was once on charge of world jet-ski racing for Kawi.

Jet-skis have used joker line at some point.

He's applying it to the MEC and it sounds like a cool idea (I wish we could do it in Bercy but not enough space) !
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ATKpilot99 10/12/2012 2:19pm
10/12/2012 2:19pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2012 2:21pm
They should build a track that is race-able in the opposite direction next year and have the 2nd moto run that way.
Of course have a practice in each direction to make it safer.
Bounce it 223 10/12/2012 2:37pm
10/12/2012 2:37pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2012 2:38pm
A joker lane could do wonders for a race where lappers become a problem. Especially if it was a faster lane opposed to a slower one
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jndmx 10/12/2012 3:54pm
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What's the time penalty if you don't run that lane?
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GHR 10/12/2012 4:49pm
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What would really be sweet is if they made each rider pit at one point during the race, turn off the bike and kick start it back up and go. Now that would level the playing field. Total craps shoot there haha.
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Lightning78 10/12/2012 4:49pm
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Jamie_Munro wrote:
i think its a great idea.... a one off change to a one off event - what's the point in complaining about it? LOVIN the track...
i think its a great idea.... a one off change to a one off event - what's the point in complaining about it?

LOVIN the track design
I like the fact that Feld can use this race to "try" NEW IDEAS on a SX Style Circuit for one event that MANY races and heats will be ran on from Amatuers to Pro's....I couldnt think of a better place to try out new ideas for SX w/o having any of the points leaders worried about sudden changes to SX this gives them a chance to try new things (on both sides racers and promoters/ama) to see what works and what doesnt.....I'd be willing to bet ANYONE that the MEC becomes a testing formate for minor tweeks to the SX series, not solely for that reason but its a great way to experiement with new ideas like Matthes is always talking about.
Whoops_Blitzer 10/12/2012 4:58pm
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KlootZak wrote:
I would do the joker lane on the last lap. That way you don't have problem with people who are blocking you. If you do it...
I would do the joker lane on the last lap. That way you don't have problem with people who are blocking you. If you do it in the beginning, then you lose way too much time to pass some riders (like Alessi). I think it benefits racers like Villopoto, and will be a pain in the ass for Dungey.
Really good point. Imagine Dungey getting a bad start and getting stuck behind a slower guy for 3 laps, then finally getting by and taking the joker lane. When he comes out, he's behind him again!

If you're a fast guy, wait until you've gapped everyone else sufficiently - i.e. the last lap. Sounds like a sound strategy to me.
sbarrington314 10/12/2012 5:26pm
10/12/2012 5:26pm
motodriller wrote:
Oh another badass internet boy. Nice avatar predator. And fuck you. I've been in mx for 40 yrs. And it needs some help as do you.
but your point still doesnt make any sense.

i liked someones idea of a joker lane being the faster line. But everyone might just use it the first chance they get.
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xray52 10/12/2012 5:39pm
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KlootZak wrote:
I would do the joker lane on the last lap. That way you don't have problem with people who are blocking you. If you do it...
I would do the joker lane on the last lap. That way you don't have problem with people who are blocking you. If you do it in the beginning, then you lose way too much time to pass some riders (like Alessi). I think it benefits racers like Villopoto, and will be a pain in the ass for Dungey.
Whoops_Blitzer wrote:
Really good point. Imagine Dungey getting a bad start and getting stuck behind a slower guy for 3 laps, then finally getting by and taking the...
Really good point. Imagine Dungey getting a bad start and getting stuck behind a slower guy for 3 laps, then finally getting by and taking the joker lane. When he comes out, he's behind him again!

If you're a fast guy, wait until you've gapped everyone else sufficiently - i.e. the last lap. Sounds like a sound strategy to me.
But that same guy will have to take the joker lane too, so he wouldn't be behind him again when it counts, the checkers.
(if he was slower than Dungey, how could he have already taken the joker lane and be ahead of Dungey?)

The joker lane is slower, that's the point and why you have to take it once which adds a strategy component for the fast guys. The top guys are most likely to get the good start and if you think about it, you can see why a faster joker lane would not help the racing. Therefore a slower joker lane will mean the faster guys will probably wait, as someone said above, till last lap, the leader hoping he pulled a big enough lead so when he does go through it, he will come out in lead. makes sense..? IDK
TripleFive 10/12/2012 5:50pm
10/12/2012 5:50pm
I really hope someone doesn't get clobbered trying to sweep it wide and dive into the joker lane by someone going straight and up the inside.
Bounce it 223 10/12/2012 5:52pm
10/12/2012 5:52pm
Also will the joker lane be maintained at all ? A faster line could easily develop as the moto goes on. Or vise versa ...
lostboy819 10/12/2012 5:54pm
10/12/2012 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2012 9:37pm
TripleDigit wrote:
Hmmm..sounds like a bit of a joke itself,hope it turns out ok

I assume it's everyone except the leader?
Why would the leader be exempt if EVERYONE has to do it once each moto.Kind of defeats the purpose if the leader didn't have to take the long way once like everyone else.
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mx5471 10/12/2012 5:54pm
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I like it. It's exciting, and the track lay out is different. The MEC is different, so why shouldn't the track be? Joker lane? Deal with it it. All the racers have to. Want a mil, earn it. I think it'll be a fun race for the riders and the watchers. Race with the guys that came to race. Lot's of stuff happens in any race. If you don't like the track, go home. I can't wait to see it. I got a date with my son that night to watch it. It's a great event to put on during what you guys call " silly season" . Enjoy the fun. It's competition at its best. It's already started debate about when to do the joker lane. And you will all watch to see, so the goal will be accomplished. If it turns out to be a close race, it'll give everyone something to talk about during " silly season" . For me, I don't care at all who wins any of the motos, I'm just hoping for some good racing. And the most important thing is, me and my son will have a blast watching.
TripleDigit 10/13/2012 12:52am
10/13/2012 12:52am
TripleDigit wrote:
Hmmm..sounds like a bit of a joke itself,hope it turns out ok

I assume it's everyone except the leader?
lostboy819 wrote:
Why would the leader be exempt if EVERYONE has to do it once each moto.Kind of defeats the purpose if the leader didn't have to take...
Why would the leader be exempt if EVERYONE has to do it once each moto.Kind of defeats the purpose if the leader didn't have to take the long way once like everyone else.
Yes,sorry my bad,its the oppositIe as I assumed the term "joker" was for riders behind the leader to use it as a shortcut to catch up as I've seen in different sports,so now the lead can alter the other way round which is interesting,a rider could lead all the way and indeed,have to then use the lane

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lostboy819 10/13/2012 1:22am
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TripleDigit wrote:
Hmmm..sounds like a bit of a joke itself,hope it turns out ok

I assume it's everyone except the leader?
lostboy819 wrote:
Why would the leader be exempt if EVERYONE has to do it once each moto.Kind of defeats the purpose if the leader didn't have to take...
Why would the leader be exempt if EVERYONE has to do it once each moto.Kind of defeats the purpose if the leader didn't have to take the long way once like everyone else.
TripleDigit wrote:
Yes,sorry my bad,its the oppositIe as I assumed the term "joker" was for riders behind the leader to use it as a shortcut to catch up...
Yes,sorry my bad,its the oppositIe as I assumed the term "joker" was for riders behind the leader to use it as a shortcut to catch up as I've seen in different sports,so now the lead can alter the other way round which is interesting,a rider could lead all the way and indeed,have to then use the lane
From what I am reading it sounds like it will take about 6 seconds longer to get through but who knows for sure, we will need to wait and see if it works.This is the first time I had heard the term so I had no idea what it was.
Motocross83 10/13/2012 4:33am
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motodriller wrote:
Oh another badass internet boy. Nice avatar predator. And fuck you. I've been in mx for 40 yrs. And it needs some help as do you.
sbarrington314 wrote:
but your point still doesnt make any sense. i liked someones idea of a joker lane being the faster line. But everyone might just use it...
but your point still doesnt make any sense.

i liked someones idea of a joker lane being the faster line. But everyone might just use it the first chance they get.
Yep. My prediction is that most people will take it first lap in order to get it out the way.
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PaleBlue 10/13/2012 5:26am
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motodriller wrote:
Oh another badass internet boy. Nice avatar predator. And fuck you. I've been in mx for 40 yrs. And it needs some help as do you.
sbarrington314 wrote:
but your point still doesnt make any sense. i liked someones idea of a joker lane being the faster line. But everyone might just use it...
but your point still doesnt make any sense.

i liked someones idea of a joker lane being the faster line. But everyone might just use it the first chance they get.
Motocross83 wrote:
Yep. My prediction is that most people will take it first lap in order to get it out the way.
Most people, except the leader and some slower guys who will relish the opportunity to run at the sharp end and get TV coverage......
Bounce it 223 10/13/2012 7:01am
10/13/2012 7:01am
6 seconds the 2nd lap of the race or the 10th. I read that RV seems to think a faster line will develop as the race goes on. It def throws a wrench into things. Can't wait to see how it turns out
GeorgiePorgie 10/13/2012 7:13am
10/13/2012 7:13am
MXR wrote:
If Herlings was racing he could hit it every lap make up time there and win a million bucks
Oh for Christ sake. Herlings would get an ass whooping similar if not worse than the American boys did in the silt-bed of a GP track in lommel. He'd get lapped.
GeorgiePorgie 10/13/2012 7:15am
10/13/2012 7:15am
Can't use the joker lane on lap 1. Doesn't open till lap 2.

They should just leave it open all the time and see if people hit it off the start. If you already got a crappy start then why not.
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jamma10 10/13/2012 2:25pm
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MXR wrote:
If Herlings was racing he could hit it every lap make up time there and win a million bucks
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Oh for Christ sake. Herlings would get an ass whooping similar if not worse than the American boys did in the silt-bed of a GP track...
Oh for Christ sake. Herlings would get an ass whooping similar if not worse than the American boys did in the silt-bed of a GP track in lommel. He'd get lapped.
Pretty sure he meant it as a joke.

He wouldn't get lapped though.
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IWreckALot 10/13/2012 4:23pm
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I'd say it's a race time decision. You can't decide at the truck that you're going to take it at what time.

Let's just say the race is between the top two riders. If rider one gets the hole shot and rider two gets a second place start, I'd say rider two should take the joker lane regardless of circumstance. If rider 1 takes the JL lap one, then rider 2 has to rely on a pass to win the race. If rider 1 takes the joker lap after lap 1, and rider 2 can manage to close the gap, it's a free pass for the win for rider 2.
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TDeath21 10/14/2012 8:57pm
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I like it. It adds another element. I wouldn't like it in points races, but in a one off race like this I think it's a great idea. It will be interesting to watch the strategy of the riders.
TripleDigit 10/15/2012 12:17am
10/15/2012 12:17am
MXR wrote:
If Herlings was racing he could hit it every lap make up time there and win a million bucks
GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Oh for Christ sake. Herlings would get an ass whooping similar if not worse than the American boys did in the silt-bed of a GP track...
Oh for Christ sake. Herlings would get an ass whooping similar if not worse than the American boys did in the silt-bed of a GP track in lommel. He'd get lapped.
jamma10 wrote:
Pretty sure he meant it as a joke.

He wouldn't get lapped though.
Quite the opposite,I'm pretty sure he'd do well,remember how fast KRoc was when he first went over and gave it a go? It wasn't pretty but damn fast,Herlings has way more finesse than he had too,I'd quite like to see him try some indoor stuff,mind you,not at the expense of getting injured for when the real MX starts,even the best SX riders get wadded up and ruin their seasons,I hope next season everyone comes through safe and unhurt

This lane could go one way or another,hopefully it will add something to what was IMO a relatively dull race last year,

Personally I'd have liked to see it go the way I originally thought it was,a shorter route to gain places,leapfrogging other riders

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