P.O.S. KTM 350 that nobody can win on

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Edited Date/Time 9/30/2012 4:59am
Except, Cairoli and Herlings. Maybe it's the rider sometimes.





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GuyB 9/29/2012 8:51pm
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You believed that story?
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TeamGreen 9/29/2012 8:53pm
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Sure, it's the bike.
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Hut 9/29/2012 9:47pm
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Is the fim works 350 really a 350? I thought that was the argument way back when this was still the argument of the day.

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slipdog 9/29/2012 10:01pm
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In Europe the run the LC4 620 motor in the 350 chassis
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Hut 9/29/2012 10:04pm
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slipdog wrote:
In Europe the run the LC4 620 motor in the 350 chassis
That's what I thought!
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Stoop 9/29/2012 10:36pm
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the only 350 about that bike is the 350 sticker on it.
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BobbyM 9/29/2012 10:38pm
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Hut wrote:
Is the fim works 350 really a 350? I thought that was the argument way back when this was still the argument of the day.
410cc....
i can prove it
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julienmark 9/29/2012 10:40pm
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Stock 350 at that...............................................
aaryn #234 9/29/2012 10:41pm
9/29/2012 10:41pm
Even at 410cc it is still 40cc below the displacement allowed!

I cant see what it would not be a 350, Roczen was running close to the same lap times on a 250, but hey guess if KTM is doing that to their 350, the 250 is really a 390 and the 450 a 500 it only makes sense right!
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bvm111 9/29/2012 10:42pm
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Ok bobby prove it... I believe you... Just wondering how you are sure it is a 410 and not 390 or something like that?
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Egra372 9/29/2012 10:48pm
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GuyB wrote:
You believed that story?
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the 350 could shine. The 350 never had the best riders on it.
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jock 9/29/2012 11:15pm
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bvm111 wrote:
Ok bobby prove it... I believe you... Just wondering how you are sure it is a 410 and not 390 or something like that?
If you take a tape measure, and carefully measure the cylinder in the pic, you will see it has a bore size of 81mm x 80mm = 410cc.
Try it, it's true. Laughing
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BobbyM 9/29/2012 11:20pm
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bvm111 wrote:
Ok bobby prove it... I believe you... Just wondering how you are sure it is a 410 and not 390 or something like that?
jock wrote:
If you take a tape measure, and carefully measure the cylinder in the pic, you will see it has a bore size of 81mm x 80mm...
If you take a tape measure, and carefully measure the cylinder in the pic, you will see it has a bore size of 81mm x 80mm = 410cc.
Try it, it's true. Laughing
Not quite... But not bad
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GuyB 9/29/2012 11:30pm
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GuyB wrote:
You believed that story?
Egra372 wrote:
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the...
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the 350 could shine. The 350 never had the best riders on it.
Not buying it. Watching the guys in Supercross, they had to ride the piss out of it to make it work there. It was scary to watch.

I think the 350 is a great bike for consumers, but not so great for the big boy pro class here in the states.
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bvm111 9/29/2012 11:44pm
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bvm111 wrote:
Ok bobby prove it... I believe you... Just wondering how you are sure it is a 410 and not 390 or something like that?
jock wrote:
If you take a tape measure, and carefully measure the cylinder in the pic, you will see it has a bore size of 81mm x 80mm...
If you take a tape measure, and carefully measure the cylinder in the pic, you will see it has a bore size of 81mm x 80mm = 410cc.
Try it, it's true. Laughing
Ha hah... That's funny... I'll use a plumb bob, t square, and abacus to make sure I get it right! Silly
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Crush 9/30/2012 12:22am
9/30/2012 12:22am
I bet it's a 350...

If the 250s are stretched and getting the power they say they do, and the 450s are being tuned to be more usable then why wouldn't a full on factory 350 be a fire breather?!?! Prolly weighs nothing too...

Remember in 2009, Reedy said his "factory" AMA spec 450 was a full 19 pounds heavier than Steve Ramons Works Suzuki...

19 POUNDS!!!! That's worth heaps of horsies just there...
Motocross83 9/30/2012 12:30am
9/30/2012 12:30am
It's no surprise to me that the 350 goes so well round Lommel, especially if you really know how to ride sand like Ken, Tony and of course Jeffrey. These guys know how to stay on top it without burying the bike deep into every berm.

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Egra372 9/30/2012 12:42am
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GuyB wrote:
You believed that story?
Egra372 wrote:
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the...
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the 350 could shine. The 350 never had the best riders on it.
GuyB wrote:
Not buying it. Watching the guys in Supercross, they had to ride the piss out of it to make it work there. It was scary to...
Not buying it. Watching the guys in Supercross, they had to ride the piss out of it to make it work there. It was scary to watch.

I think the 350 is a great bike for consumers, but not so great for the big boy pro class here in the states.
What riders were on that bike?? If you put bagget, tomac or barcia on that bike they could win IMO..
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FARANG 9/30/2012 12:43am
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Hut wrote:
Is the fim works 350 really a 350? I thought that was the argument way back when this was still the argument of the day.
BobbyM wrote:
410cc....
i can prove it
No, you can't.
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johansen 9/30/2012 2:48am
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Hut wrote:
Is the fim works 350 really a 350? I thought that was the argument way back when this was still the argument of the day.
BobbyM wrote:
410cc....
i can prove it

If it is a 410cc he's running I'm really impressed how he holds that throttle open!
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Faceaz 9/30/2012 3:27am
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GuyB wrote:
You believed that story?
Egra372 wrote:
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the...
I believe it could have done better in the US. If you look at laptimes of 250 and 450,sometimes the 250 is faster and there the 350 could shine. The 350 never had the best riders on it.
GuyB wrote:
Not buying it. Watching the guys in Supercross, they had to ride the piss out of it to make it work there. It was scary to...
Not buying it. Watching the guys in Supercross, they had to ride the piss out of it to make it work there. It was scary to watch.

I think the 350 is a great bike for consumers, but not so great for the big boy pro class here in the states.
More exciting racing IMO, when riders have to push the limits of the bike, especially when lap times are comparable. I'd much rather see a rider ring a bikes neck going through a corner vs. the point and shoot over-abundance power of a 450. I've seen videos of both Dungey & DeCoster saying they don't worry about the motor, they have plenty of power. That makes me think they can sacrifice some cc's & still be competitive @ the top.
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jock 9/30/2012 4:59am
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It just won by 21+ seconds. Woohoo

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