Why was Barcia DQ'd at MXdN Qual?

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9/29/2012 9:42am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2012 9:42am
Sounds like a good strategy for other countries fans. See one of our boys go down and then just run over and pick their bike up for them so they get DQed Smile
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9/29/2012 9:51am
That fencing is beyond ridiculous. If you go off of the track, you're in it, how is that safe for any rider? There is absolutely no run off room if you make a mistake, at a track like this they are nothing but a hazard.
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fgb729 wrote:
That fencing is beyond ridiculous. If you go off of the track, you're in it, how is that safe for any rider? There is absolutely no...
That fencing is beyond ridiculous. If you go off of the track, you're in it, how is that safe for any rider? There is absolutely no run off room if you make a mistake, at a track like this they are nothing but a hazard.
Its ridiculous that Barcia got there in the first place. Dont blame the fence. :d

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9/29/2012 10:00am
We were right there. Barcia crashed into some solid boarding. Then he dumped the clutch and dug himself a big hole that got him no where. Then he could not pull the bike backwards and the clutch dumping had wedged the front in too!

Chuck Sun should of know better and no one cared really as you drop the worst result anyway.
9/29/2012 10:00am
You guys should be happy that this happende today. It's just the rule, so accept it.
But at least now the US guys know that outside assistance is NOT allowed. A DQ on raceday would be a real bummer, now it means nothing.
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9/29/2012 10:01am
Get that boy a fanny pack
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9/29/2012 10:18am
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left" it. Seems like a valid reason.
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9/29/2012 10:24am
Does it really matter? We were qualified in and he'd already lost whatever qualifying boost his placing might have given them. At least he got more time on the track,
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9/29/2012 10:26am
This is from practise this morning...
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Free/Time practice today
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9/29/2012 10:27am
Lamecake wrote:
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left"...
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left" it. Seems like a valid reason.
That is fucking stupid. The way the have the track set up with all the fences and banners, he couldn't get on where he went of, so he had to go to the next best spot, which still wasn't even a clear spot to get on!
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9/29/2012 10:31am
Lamecake wrote:
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left"...
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left" it. Seems like a valid reason.
stash124 wrote:
That is fucking stupid. The way the have the track set up with all the fences and banners, he couldn't get on where he went of...
That is fucking stupid. The way the have the track set up with all the fences and banners, he couldn't get on where he went of, so he had to go to the next best spot, which still wasn't even a clear spot to get on!
He didn`t even ride along the track, he just went straight to another section of the track.
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9/29/2012 10:39am
My gut says well have a usual euro shitluck and USA will win again.
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9/29/2012 10:46am
Lamecake wrote:
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left"...
anyway.. i just read the DQ for Barcia wasnt because of the help, but because he re-entered the track on a different section than he "left" it. Seems like a valid reason.
stash124 wrote:
That is fucking stupid. The way the have the track set up with all the fences and banners, he couldn't get on where he went of...
That is fucking stupid. The way the have the track set up with all the fences and banners, he couldn't get on where he went of, so he had to go to the next best spot, which still wasn't even a clear spot to get on!
kongols wrote:
He didn`t even ride along the track, he just went straight to another section of the track.
That was a Honey Badger move right there.
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9/29/2012 10:55am
Nobody touched his bike tho. I think that an appeal needs to be filed.
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jasonv43 wrote:
That was a Honey Badger move right there.
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Camp332 wrote:
Nobody touched his bike tho. I think that an appeal needs to be filed.
He got DQ for cutting track.
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Camp332 wrote:
Nobody touched his bike tho. I think that an appeal needs to be filed.
It was posted the reason for dq was re-entering track in wrong spot not outside assistance plus his finish was a throw away anyhow.
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9/29/2012 10:58am
Was it for touching the bike or for re entering the track?
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Camp332 wrote:
Nobody touched his bike tho. I think that an appeal needs to be filed.
kongols wrote:
He got DQ for cutting track.
Dammit to hell

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9/29/2012 11:06am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2012 11:09am
Well, there a a few differences between the rules in America and the rules in GP's.

In the US, the AMA got convinced that (at least the most important) teams should be allowed to get personnel by turn 1 to help tangled bikes/fallen riders get back on track, as a safety reason.

Did'nt it start in SX and quickly spread into the outdoors ?

Anyway, this is a no-no in the GP's.

I saw Dave Strijbos get DQ'd once over that at a French GP.

Seen from Europe, the US system seems too flexible and potentially unfair.

You can get help during the race only from the official track crew, in no way from a spectator or team assistant.

Re-entering the track at the spot you left it has also been the rule-of-thumb of the GP's for a long time.

I remember having to explain to the FIM (when we were putting the World SX together, back in the 90's) that we had to modify that particular rule to adopt the AMA rule of "re-entering the track at the safest, closest place from where you left it, and without gaining an advantage out of it" (not exact terms but that's what it meant).

The FIM accepted because they admitted that SX was happening on a tighter environment that MX and that their rule could actually create an un-necessary danger.

But I don't think they ever cared to harmonize the SX rule and the MX rule (like the AMA tends to do).

So, when American riders race a one-off event such as MXDN (I have experience of that also in Bercy), they do get confused with these different rules, especially in the heat of the race.

I'm pretty sure whatever actual different rules do exist between what the US riders are familiar with and those on place at this event have been duly explained by Roger, though !

At least, one can tell that Justin knew what every GP rider knows : DO NOT ride over the green stuff on the outsides of the track. That's why he jumped it, instead !

Now, maybe he was DQ'd for outside assistance because that was the "first" offense that happened, and enough for a DQ.

Or maybe he was DQ'd for both reasons ?

Anyway, it was a "free" lesson this time and I bet Justin learned from today.
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9/29/2012 11:12am
I can understand the DQ........what I DON'T understand is why in the hell they have that kind of fencing around the track? It's like a chained linked---no way to get the hell out kind of fence.

Why not just bails and banners to give the rider a chance to get back into the race? Why use some fence that could kill a dude? makes no sense.

AC thing was....he was stuck in some really deep mud and buried himself. Barcia's was a little different I think because he was caught on something man made. Mud is part of the track.......the fence they have there is kind of bullshit.

It is what it is I guess and every rider has to deal with it. Just think it would be safer for ALL the riders with something different.
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9/29/2012 11:17am
fgb729 wrote:
That fencing is beyond ridiculous. If you go off of the track, you're in it, how is that safe for any rider? There is absolutely no...
That fencing is beyond ridiculous. If you go off of the track, you're in it, how is that safe for any rider? There is absolutely no run off room if you make a mistake, at a track like this they are nothing but a hazard.
Lamecake wrote:
Its ridiculous that Barcia got there in the first place. Dont blame the fence. :d
Yea it's ridiculous he was putting his all into a race. What a weird guy.
9/29/2012 11:18am
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I can understand the DQ........what I DON'T understand is why in the hell they have that kind of fencing around the track? It's like a chained...
I can understand the DQ........what I DON'T understand is why in the hell they have that kind of fencing around the track? It's like a chained linked---no way to get the hell out kind of fence.

Why not just bails and banners to give the rider a chance to get back into the race? Why use some fence that could kill a dude? makes no sense.

AC thing was....he was stuck in some really deep mud and buried himself. Barcia's was a little different I think because he was caught on something man made. Mud is part of the track.......the fence they have there is kind of bullshit.

It is what it is I guess and every rider has to deal with it. Just think it would be safer for ALL the riders with something different.
the green fences stop bikes, and that is what it is there for, to protect the crowd, the down side is that it is hard to get by,

you have to admit that hte FIM is much more robust and fair in the use of their rules, a few years back AC was disqaulifed from a whole weekend when he was points leader of the MX2 for attacking another rider,

and feel for poor old team NZ, Cody Cooper was given a 1 minute time penalty for failing the after race noise test, so now we have not qualified and are heading to the B Main
9/29/2012 11:21am
gspointer wrote:
So, if an American spectator were to "help" a competing teams rider in a similar fashion, they would be DQ'd. Does anyone know if a team...
So, if an American spectator were to "help" a competing teams rider in a similar fashion, they would be DQ'd. Does anyone know if a team has resorted to that tactic?
Interesting.
9/29/2012 11:28am
jeffro503 wrote:
I can understand the DQ........what I DON'T understand is why in the hell they have that kind of fencing around the track? It's like a chained...
I can understand the DQ........what I DON'T understand is why in the hell they have that kind of fencing around the track? It's like a chained linked---no way to get the hell out kind of fence.

Why not just bails and banners to give the rider a chance to get back into the race? Why use some fence that could kill a dude? makes no sense.

AC thing was....he was stuck in some really deep mud and buried himself. Barcia's was a little different I think because he was caught on something man made. Mud is part of the track.......the fence they have there is kind of bullshit.

It is what it is I guess and every rider has to deal with it. Just think it would be safer for ALL the riders with something different.
It's silt fencing.. erosion control fencing without the metal mesh backing. Super heavy duty nylon, pretty much impossible to tear with human hands.

What bothered me more are the thousands of wooden stakes used to support this fencing. With the right accident a rider could be impaled on top of one of these (or by a shard of a broken one).
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9/29/2012 9:40pm
DQ for that? What a fucking joke

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